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Media Myths: Rafa Benitez and His Transfer History With Liverpool Football Club

There appears to be a trend growing amongst media outlets, “expert†pundits, and rival supporters who ensure a negative air surrounds Liverpool Football Club and more commonly its manager, Rafa Benitez. It seems he can do no right in the eyes of some people—his own supporters included—and more false claims appear every week that serve only to derail him from his aims. As more and more newspapers churn out sensational headline after headline and television pundits spout opinion as fact; the more people are brainwashed by these stories. Many lazy debaters claim their opinion to be fact or truth whilst they simply recycle misleading newspaper propaganda as their own knowledge or belief. Biased supporters who choose to jump on the slander bandwagon when it involves a rival team are common place, and this only adds to the ever-growing ideology of a story perceived as fact.

One such myth which seems to have appeared recently has been the same tired line about Rafa Benitez and his transfers since his time at Liverpool.

You will hear people claiming things like:

“A larger proportion of Rafa's signings have been expensive and poor.â€

This does of course depend on how a person interprets the words expensive and poor—the latter obviously being down to their personal opinion of a player.

For example if someone wants to use the barometer of anything over a million pounds to be expensive and any player other than Messi or Ronaldo is considered poor; then anyone will struggle to argue against that logic—me included.

We can address the “expensive†part of the argument first:

(Numbers in brackets are players still at the club)

£20-30+ million: 1 (1)

Torres

£10-20 million: 4 (3)

Mascherano, Keane, Babel, Alonso

£5-10 million: 14 (9)

Dossenna, Riera, Agger, Skrtel, Reina, Benayoun, Leiva, Kuyt, Pennant, Crouch, Bellamy, Sissoko, Morientes, Garcia

£0-5 million: 47 (36)

Degan, Cavelieri, Ngog, Plessis, Insua, Leto, Itandje, Voronin, Arbeloa, El Zhar, Aurelio, Palletta, Fowler, Kromkamp, Barragan, Nunez, Zenden, Gonzalez, Carson, Pellegrino, Josemi, Martin, Antwi, Hobbs, Miki Roque, Gulacsi, Padelli, Anderson, Poloskei, Crowther, Hansen, Saric, Ayala, Weijl, Blanco, Flora, Mendy, Ajdarevic, Simon, Bouzanis, Nemeth, Pacheco, Palsson, Brouwer, Durán, Huth, Domínguez.

It is easy to see that the majority of Rafa’s signings have been below the £10 million mark and nothing like the fabrication that he has bought mostly “expensive†signings. Especially when you consider that 49 of his 66 signings are still at the club and the selling on fee cannot yet be determined.



Here are some more comments and claims made about Rafael Benitez:

“He has bought 53 players for £190 million and sold 56 for £108 million, clearly a loss of £82 million proves he doesn’t have a clue in the transfer market.â€

I think the easiest way to explain this would be to just show you a full rundown of Rafael Benitez’ signings since he joined Liverpool in June 2004:

Players bought in by Benitez: 66

Players still at the club: 49

First Team: 18

Alonso, Reina, Agger, Aurélio, Kuyt, Arbeloa, Mascherano, Lucas, Torres, Itandje, Benayoun, Babel, Skrtel, Degen, Dossena, Cavalieri, Ngog, Riera.

Reserve Team: 22

El Zhar, Insúa, Palsson, Brouwer, Durán, Huth, Domínguez, Pacheco, Nemeth, Plessis, Hansen, Saric, Ayala, Weijl, Blanco, Flora, Mendy, Ajdarevic, Simon, Bouzanis, Crowther, Poloskei

Out on Loan: 9

Andriy Voronin, Jermaine Pennant, Sebastian Leto, David Martin, Godwin Antwi, Jack Hobbs, Miki Roque, Peter Gulacsi, Paul Anderson

A figure of 49 players bought by Rafa are still playing for the club with the majority (22) bought as youth players for the reserve team—with the idea for future revenue if they perform to their potential. It will also save the club a great deal of money if they turn out to be superstars worth a large transfer fee.

From that 49 figure, there are 18 still playing for the first team and contributing on a very large scale with the majority of them being priced by many as a greater figure than when the players were initially bought by Rafa.

From the nine players out on loan, only two are established players with the other seven being young reserve players gaining experience at other clubs—with the hope of either returning to Liverpool’s first team or making a profit to invest in future transfers.



Players Sold On by Benitez: 56

Players Bought by Other Managers and Sold on by Benitez: 39

Players Bought and Sold on by Rafa Benitez: 17



For me, this is the key point from which poorly informed debaters’ opinions collapse. Most propaganda articles or rival supporters will wildly claim that Rafa has sold "56" players and made little money in return.

They claim the “majority†of the "56" players the Liverpool manager has sold on have been at a loss and “proves†his failings in the transfer market. This is such a misleading statement to make that I really don’t know how people can still get away with it.

For starters, Benitez has sold 39 players bought by other Liverpool managers.

Benitez cannot be held accountable for selling a player at a loss when Benitez was not the one who identified the player as a target in the first place or sanctioned the over-inflated transfer fee.

You can only really judge him on the players he has bought and sold since he has been at the club and this brings the true figure down to just 17 players.



Profit: 7

Carson +2.25, Barragan +0.43, Sissoko +2.6, Crouch +4.0, Gonzalez +2.0, Bellamy +1.5, Nunez +0.5

Loss: 6

Garcia -2.0, Morientes -3.3, Palletta -0.8, Josemi (swapped for) Kromkamp -0.25, Idrizaj -0.19, Keane -3.0 (could be even less depending on contract triggers)

Even: 4

Pellegrino, Zenden, Fowler, Padelli (all four players were brought in and moved on for a free transfer)



So the true extent of Rafa’s failings in the transfer market is just six players from 17, coming with a loss of just under £10 million within four and a half years—the most expensive loss being just £3.3 million; nothing like the losses achieved by other established Premier League managers.

Hopefully that is one media myth that's now been eradicated.

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I mainly just see a list of shit players.

Sorry.

(And Keane was over £20M)
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=36874.msg976376#msg976376 date=1257078260]
I mainly just see a list of shit players.

Sorry.

(And Keane was over £20M)
[/quote]
This

I don't really care about the profits that we've made.
 
I think an interesting point that is always missed in these threads is Rafa's investment in our youth structure.
I think he saw it as key to our long term successes to overhaul a failing system and invest heavily in it. This wont reap any short term benefits and certainly wont create any headlines, but its fair to say that a youth structure that hasnt seen a breakout since Gerrard in 99 wasnt fit for purpose.
We have in Kelly, Ayala, Insua, Pacheco, Nemeth, Eccleston, Dalle Vale, Bruna, Butchmann(sp) a crop of youngsters with massive potential. It may take another 3 years to benefit from this but remember Rafa only assumed control of this in summer and we already had these lads here, the hope must be a player a year makes the step up.
As i said it wont make headlines but its a key part of our spending and untill major investment is in place it may need to be relied upon.
 
When was it written? Most of the players on the loan list are either sold or, God help and protect us, are back on the first team squad
 
The article is staggering in it's stupidity and spectacularly misses the point.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36874.msg976381#msg976381 date=1257079443]
I think an interesting point that is always missed in these threads is Rafa's investment in our youth structure.
I think he saw it as key to our long term successes to overhaul a failing system and invest heavily in it. This wont reap any short term benefits and certainly wont create any headlines, but its fair to say that a youth structure that hasnt seen a breakout since Gerrard in 99 wasnt fit for purpose.
We have in Kelly, Ayala, Insua, Pacheco, Nemeth, Eccleston, Dalle Vale, Bruna, Butchmann(sp) a crop of youngsters with massive potential. It may take another 3 years to benefit from this but remember Rafa only assumed control of this in summer and we already had these lads here, the hope must be a player a year makes the step up.
As i said it wont make headlines but its a key part of our spending and untill major investment is in place it may need to be relied upon.
[/quote]

the only sensible post in this thred so far
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=36874.msg976438#msg976438 date=1257086752]
if that's the positive god help us
[/quote]Well no, Torres, Mascherano, Reina, Riera, Benayoun, Agger, Johnson are the positive obviously.
I wouldnt expect you to concede that though, it wouldnt suit your laughable agenda.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36874.msg976440#msg976440 date=1257086959]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36874.msg976438#msg976438 date=1257086752]
if that's the positive god help us
[/quote]Well no, Torres, Mascherano, Reina, Riera, Benayoun, Agger, Johnson are the positive obviously.
I wouldnt expect you to concede that though, it wouldnt suit your laughable agenda.
[/quote]

Good player. Excellent player in fact but has he helped to improve our defence? Sum of the parts and all that.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36874.msg976440#msg976440 date=1257086959]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36874.msg976438#msg976438 date=1257086752]
if that's the positive god help us
[/quote]Well no, Torres, Mascherano, Reina, Riera, Benayoun, Agger, Johnson are the positive obviously.
I wouldnt expect you to concede that though, it wouldnt suit your laughable agenda.
[/quote]

Please don't quote this cunt. Having him on ignore and being blissful in the ignorance (pun intended!) of his posting is being ruined by this behaviour. Desist now sir!
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36874.msg976440#msg976440 date=1257086959]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36874.msg976438#msg976438 date=1257086752]
if that's the positive god help us
[/quote]Well no, Torres, Mascherano, Reina, Riera, Benayoun, Agger, Johnson are the positive obviously.
I wouldnt expect you to concede that though, it wouldnt suit your laughable agenda.
[/quote]

oh yea laughable agenda - success isn't about winning trophies

yea riera, yossi and agger are positives - one a city reject, the next a player that the city reject replaced and one that played less games than the italian crock we bought that you worship. Infact why isn't he on your list? feeling lied to that its not been 6 weeks since he was supposedly fit? i'm tempted to go put a bet on that rafa will be eating paella in madrid before aquaman plays 90 minutes.

you know its only a matter of time before he's sacked. when that happens how will you feel?

its alright for the deluded to keep repeating their points and posts but when we respond we're laughable.
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36874.msg976447#msg976447 date=1257087277]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36874.msg976440#msg976440 date=1257086959]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36874.msg976438#msg976438 date=1257086752]
if that's the positive god help us
[/quote]Well no, Torres, Mascherano, Reina, Riera, Benayoun, Agger, Johnson are the positive obviously.
I wouldnt expect you to concede that though, it wouldnt suit your laughable agenda.
[/quote]

Please don't quote this cunt. Having him on ignore and being blissful in the ignorance (pun intended!) of his posting is being ruined by this behaviour. Desist now sir!
[/quote]

please someone quote this so that spion69 knows that i feel he's still a cocksucker and i just wanted to know if he's subscribed to real betis tv - that's about rafa's level i'm thinking right now.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=36874.msg976451#msg976451 date=1257087450]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36874.msg976440#msg976440 date=1257086959]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36874.msg976438#msg976438 date=1257086752]
if that's the positive god help us
[/quote]Well no, Torres, Mascherano, Reina, Riera, Benayoun, Agger, Johnson are the positive obviously.
I wouldnt expect you to concede that though, it wouldnt suit your laughable agenda.
[/quote]

oh yea laughable agenda - success isn't about winning trophies

yea riera, yossi and agger are positives - one a city reject, the next a player that the city reject replaced and one that played less games than the italian crock we bought that you worship. Infact why isn't he on your list? feeling lied to that its not been 6 weeks since he was supposedly fit? i'm tempted to go put a bet on that rafa will be eating paella in madrid before aquaman plays 90 minutes.

you know its only a matter of time before he's sacked. when that happens how will you feel?

its alright for the deluded to keep repeating their points and posts but when we respond we're laughable.
[/quote]Your laughable agenda regarding Rafa of course.
You responded to a post about how our youth setup has improved immeasurably and use it as another way to have a dig at the club. You then respond to critiscism of your usual dull tactics by railing against more of our players. Nice. Where does it end Rage? Is there any part of our club you like? Or is that all second to the main agenda of hating rafa?
Youre being ignored by users not because they are ignorant or happy clappers but because you are pathetically repetetive and myopic in your hate for Liverpool football club.
Its tedious.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36874.msg976468#msg976468 date=1257088368]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36874.msg976451#msg976451 date=1257087450]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36874.msg976440#msg976440 date=1257086959]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36874.msg976438#msg976438 date=1257086752]
if that's the positive god help us
[/quote]Well no, Torres, Mascherano, Reina, Riera, Benayoun, Agger, Johnson are the positive obviously.
I wouldnt expect you to concede that though, it wouldnt suit your laughable agenda.
[/quote]

oh yea laughable agenda - success isn't about winning trophies

yea riera, yossi and agger are positives - one a city reject, the next a player that the city reject replaced and one that played less games than the italian crock we bought that you worship. Infact why isn't he on your list? feeling lied to that its not been 6 weeks since he was supposedly fit? i'm tempted to go put a bet on that rafa will be eating paella in madrid before aquaman plays 90 minutes.

you know its only a matter of time before he's sacked. when that happens how will you feel?

its alright for the deluded to keep repeating their points and posts but when we respond we're laughable.
[/quote]Your laughable agenda regarding Rafa of course.
You responded to a post about how our youth setup has improved immeasurably and use it as another way to have a dig at the club. You then respond to critiscism of your usual dull tactics by railing against more of our players. Nice. Where does it end Rage? Is there any part of our club you like? Or is that all second to the main agenda of hating rafa?
Youre being ignored by users not because they are ignorant or happy clappers but because you are pathetically repetetive and myopic in your hate for Liverpool football club.
Its tedious.
[/quote]

i think its more to do with my disgust at our manager. i love my club. some love our manager above our club. rafa is like a cancer and i want to see him cut out.

i don't give a fuck that some want to ignore me then spend their time stalking me.

tell me oncey when do you think aquilani will play 90 minutes?

why did rafa take off yossi yesterday instead of that fat cunt vermin.

when is it ever his fault?
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36874.msg976468#msg976468 date=1257088368]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36874.msg976451#msg976451 date=1257087450]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36874.msg976440#msg976440 date=1257086959]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36874.msg976438#msg976438 date=1257086752]
if that's the positive god help us
[/quote]Well no, Torres, Mascherano, Reina, Riera, Benayoun, Agger, Johnson are the positive obviously.
I wouldnt expect you to concede that though, it wouldnt suit your laughable agenda.
[/quote]

oh yea laughable agenda - success isn't about winning trophies

yea riera, yossi and agger are positives - one a city reject, the next a player that the city reject replaced and one that played less games than the italian crock we bought that you worship. Infact why isn't he on your list? feeling lied to that its not been 6 weeks since he was supposedly fit? i'm tempted to go put a bet on that rafa will be eating paella in madrid before aquaman plays 90 minutes.

you know its only a matter of time before he's sacked. when that happens how will you feel?

its alright for the deluded to keep repeating their points and posts but when we respond we're laughable.
[/quote]Your laughable agenda regarding Rafa of course.
You responded to a post about how our youth setup has improved immeasurably and use it as another way to have a dig at the club. You then respond to critiscism of your usual dull tactics by railing against more of our players. Nice. Where does it end Rage? Is there any part of our club you like? Or is that all second to the main agenda of hating rafa?
Youre being ignored by users not because they are ignorant or happy clappers but because you are pathetically repetetive and myopic in your hate for Liverpool football club.
Its tedious.
[/quote]

You're wasting your time mate.
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36874.msg976473#msg976473 date=1257088738]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36874.msg976468#msg976468 date=1257088368]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36874.msg976451#msg976451 date=1257087450]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36874.msg976440#msg976440 date=1257086959]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36874.msg976438#msg976438 date=1257086752]
if that's the positive god help us
[/quote]Well no, Torres, Mascherano, Reina, Riera, Benayoun, Agger, Johnson are the positive obviously.
I wouldnt expect you to concede that though, it wouldnt suit your laughable agenda.
[/quote]

oh yea laughable agenda - success isn't about winning trophies

yea riera, yossi and agger are positives - one a city reject, the next a player that the city reject replaced and one that played less games than the italian crock we bought that you worship. Infact why isn't he on your list? feeling lied to that its not been 6 weeks since he was supposedly fit? i'm tempted to go put a bet on that rafa will be eating paella in madrid before aquaman plays 90 minutes.

you know its only a matter of time before he's sacked. when that happens how will you feel?

its alright for the deluded to keep repeating their points and posts but when we respond we're laughable.
[/quote]Your laughable agenda regarding Rafa of course.
You responded to a post about how our youth setup has improved immeasurably and use it as another way to have a dig at the club. You then respond to critiscism of your usual dull tactics by railing against more of our players. Nice. Where does it end Rage? Is there any part of our club you like? Or is that all second to the main agenda of hating rafa?
Youre being ignored by users not because they are ignorant or happy clappers but because you are pathetically repetetive and myopic in your hate for Liverpool football club.
Its tedious.
[/quote]

You're wasting your time mate.
[/quote]

Agreed
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=36874.msg976467#msg976467 date=1257088352]
Riera wasn't a City reject, they wanted to keep him but couldn't afford it.
[/quote]

really? i don't remember city being back in for him when we bought him for 8 or 9 million. i'm sure if he'd been good enough they would have been interested in a player they'd seen first hand.

but you do agree that riera when riera was brought in yossi gave way in the squad and now has proven himself to be a better player than riera?

anyway i refuse to accept that riera is one of the positives about our club
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=36874.msg976476#msg976476 date=1257088895]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=36874.msg976467#msg976467 date=1257088352]
Riera wasn't a City reject, they wanted to keep him but couldn't afford it.
[/quote]

really? i don't remember city being back in for him when we bought him for 8 or 9 million. i'm sure if he'd been good enough they would have been interested in a player they'd seen first hand.

but you do agree that riera when riera was brought in yossi gave way in the squad and now has proven himself to be a better player than riera?

anyway i refuse to accept that riera is one of the positives about our club
[/quote]

I thought you said if Riera played against Supurs then we would have won?
 
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=36874.msg976478#msg976478 date=1257089017]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36874.msg976476#msg976476 date=1257088895]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=36874.msg976467#msg976467 date=1257088352]
Riera wasn't a City reject, they wanted to keep him but couldn't afford it.
[/quote]

really? i don't remember city being back in for him when we bought him for 8 or 9 million. i'm sure if he'd been good enough they would have been interested in a player they'd seen first hand.

but you do agree that riera when riera was brought in yossi gave way in the squad and now has proven himself to be a better player than riera?

anyway i refuse to accept that riera is one of the positives about our club
[/quote]

I thought you said if Riera played against Supurs then we would have won?
[/quote]

if we'd had the balls to play gerrard in the middle, yossi off torres and riera on the left we would have won all of the games that gerrard and torres have played this season that we lost.

BUT that glorious tactical genius leader of yours thinks that lucas and masch are strong enough in midfield - regardless of what the evidence may otherwise suggest.
 
Rafa is not mine. He's the manager of LFC and because of that I support him and all the other managers that have managed LFC.

He made a blunder yesterday, some of his decisions were forced on to him, others were his mistakes.

Have you ever thought of admitting that the guy can make tactic decisions on a genius level and still make mistakes cos he's human? Or are you so far up your agenda of hating Rafa that NO other opinions can possibly exist?
 
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=36874.msg976489#msg976489 date=1257089646]
Rafa is not mine. He's the manager of LFC and because of that I support him and all the other managers that have managed LFC.

He made a blunder yesterday, some of his decisions were forced on to him, others were his mistakes.

Have you ever thought of admitting that the guy can make tactic decisions on a genius level and still make mistakes cos he's human? Or are you so far up your agenda of hating Rafa that NO other opinions can possibly exist?
[/quote]

As I said to Oncy, you are wasting your time. You suck Rafa's cock in his eyes but we are the childish ones...
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=36874.msg976471#msg976471 date=1257088647]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36874.msg976468#msg976468 date=1257088368]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36874.msg976451#msg976451 date=1257087450]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36874.msg976440#msg976440 date=1257086959]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36874.msg976438#msg976438 date=1257086752]
if that's the positive god help us
[/quote]Well no, Torres, Mascherano, Reina, Riera, Benayoun, Agger, Johnson are the positive obviously.
I wouldnt expect you to concede that though, it wouldnt suit your laughable agenda.
[/quote]

oh yea laughable agenda - success isn't about winning trophies

yea riera, yossi and agger are positives - one a city reject, the next a player that the city reject replaced and one that played less games than the italian crock we bought that you worship. Infact why isn't he on your list? feeling lied to that its not been 6 weeks since he was supposedly fit? i'm tempted to go put a bet on that rafa will be eating paella in madrid before aquaman plays 90 minutes.

you know its only a matter of time before he's sacked. when that happens how will you feel?

its alright for the deluded to keep repeating their points and posts but when we respond we're laughable.
[/quote]Your laughable agenda regarding Rafa of course.
You responded to a post about how our youth setup has improved immeasurably and use it as another way to have a dig at the club. You then respond to critiscism of your usual dull tactics by railing against more of our players. Nice. Where does it end Rage? Is there any part of our club you like? Or is that all second to the main agenda of hating rafa?
Youre being ignored by users not because they are ignorant or happy clappers but because you are pathetically repetetive and myopic in your hate for Liverpool football club.
Its tedious.
[/quote]

i think its more to do with my disgust at our manager. i love my club. some love our manager above our club. rafa is like a cancer and i want to see him cut out.

i don't give a fuck that some want to ignore me then spend their time stalking me.

tell me oncey when do you think aquilani will play 90 minutes?

why did rafa take off yossi yesterday instead of that fat cunt vermin.

when is it ever his fault?
[/quote]I dont know when Aquilani will play 90 mins Rage. I hope soon, and im not sure why you are labouring the point.
On the other topic i think its clear he took off Yossi to sabotage us and lose the game. What other explanation could he have?
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36874.msg976511#msg976511 date=1257090740]
This place is cunt soup today.
[/quote]

Don't indulge the cunts then... 😉
 
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