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RAFA BENITEZ IN BALANCING ACT By CHRIS BASCOMBE

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Euro Cup vital to keep Liverpool on track


By CHRIS BASCOMBE, 30/08/2009

LIVERPOOL'S shaky start to the season poses a fresh threat to the American ownership of the club.

Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jnr's business model depends on Champions League qualification.


Just three weeks into a campaign which began with grand hopes of securing the title, key Anfield figures are gravely concerned about fending off the top four bid of Manchester City and Spurs.


And if they do fail to make that Champions League slot, the owners would come under intense pressure to sell off valuable assets.


That would put the futures of key players such as Fernando Torres, Pepe Reina and Javier Mascerano under the spotlight.


Liverpool have secured bank loans based on regular Champions League participation and the money raised from Euro campaigns is used to invest in the squad. That is worth up to £20million a season.


Hopes for a record £80m shirt sponsorship deal, which is due for renewal, will also be hit by Liverpool's poor start, as advertisers negotiate on the basis of elite Euro involvement for the next few years.


Most worrying for Kop fans is a deep split at the club about who is responsible for the lack of quality in the side.


The Americans' view is "don't blame us." Hicks and Gillett insist they have consistently provided millions to strengthen the squad - including £30m of their own money - and cannot be held responsible for imbalances within it.


They also argue the business model they have put in place is identical to Manchester United and Arsenal, where the budgets are based on regular Champions League involvement.


Manager Rafa Benitez has felt since the day he arrived at Anfield he has not had the same resources as United, Chelsea and Arsenal.


But Liverpool deny the fans' claims of 'missing millions' from summer transfer dealings. At least £7m of the budget was allocated to salary increases over the next year. And around £100m has been committed to new contracts over the next four years.


Twenty-seven backroom and coaching staff also left Anfield over the summer. Some were paid off but battles for unfair dismissal claims are ongoing.


Club sources also point to unpublicised but significant hidden costs such as agents and signing-on fees.


They also began last season 'in the red' to the tune of £9m in terms of transfer deals when they signed Albert Riera. That was balanced by the sale of Robbie Keane back to Spurs for an initial £12m.


But it underlines how the publicised 'ins and outs' column does not paint the full picture. Irate Liver-pool fans demand more funds for their manager, while paradoxically campaigning against the levels of debt.

Tightrope
Benitez did try to ship out more players to raise funds. But Ryan Babel, Riera, Andriy Voronin and Phillip Degen could not be shifted.


Ironically, Benitez's position is safest of all. The club can't afford to sack him as he would collect a £25m pay-off under his new five-year-deal. Also, no one on the board has the sole authority to take major decisions about the manager's position.


The whole scenario underlines Liverpool's tightrope walk since the Americans took over.


A season which started with dreams of securing the first title in 20 years is heading towards further confrontation between those who believe Benitez has been denied resources and owners who insist they have backed him as much as financially viable.


Caught in the middle are the fans, united in their desire to see an end to the American regime, but deeply divided on whether the manager should accept his share of the responsibility.
 
A much, much larger proportion of Leeds revenue (or, to be exact, intended revenue) was to come for CL qualification.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35554.msg935200#msg935200 date=1251621954]
someone please tell me the difference beteen our business model and leeds' before they went down.
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We don't spend more than we can afford, while Leeds handed the managers blank checks. Thats the difference.

I HATE Bascombe at the moment, ever since he left the Echo he's writing have been awful. Can't even remember how many so called rumours he has printed that hasn't happened.
 
God, what a fucking mess.

And the thought of Rafa trying to flog Riera sickens me, especially after the Alonso deal.

Same old shit from both parties.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=35554.msg935206#msg935206 date=1251622542]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35554.msg935200#msg935200 date=1251621954]
someone please tell me the difference beteen our business model and leeds' before they went down.
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We don't spend more than we can afford, while Leeds handed the managers blank checks. Thats the difference.

I HATE Bascombe at the moment, ever since he left the Echo he's writing have been awful. Can't even remember how many so called rumours he has printed that hasn't happened.
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yeah, cos this sounds like complete shite doesnt it?

People have a massive chip on their shoulder abut Bascombe, & yeah some fo it's justified, but a lot of what he writes marries up perfectly with what people inside the club are saying.
 
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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=35554.msg935206#msg935206 date=1251622542]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35554.msg935200#msg935200 date=1251621954]
someone please tell me the difference beteen our business model and leeds' before they went down.
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We don't spend more than we can afford, while Leeds handed the managers blank checks. Thats the difference.

I HATE Bascombe at the moment, ever since he left the Echo he's writing have been awful. Can't even remember how many so called rumours he has printed that hasn't happened.
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yeah, cos this sounds like complete shite doesnt it?

People have a massive chip on their shoulder abut Bascombe, & yeah some fo it's justified, but a lot of what he writes marries up perfectly with what people inside the club are saying.
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There's no "new" news there is it? It wasn't directed at this article, but the stories he usually has. Today it's a summary of how an awful state we're in, and yes thank you Chris we already know. I really liked him when he wrote for the Echo, but when you write to sell more papers than thinking about the quality of the actual articles, it shows.
 
[With apologies to Keniget, who abhors such threads]

The eagerness to write us off, allied with the ignorance about the team, is incredible. On TV this morning Paddy Barclay said 'Xavi' was our best player last season, and a London hack declared, in a generous moment, that 'Ranier' is a good keeper.

As for Bascombe, well, yet again this is a nothing article, rehashing reports and rumours in many other papers, that have been dressed up as something urgent and insightful. He's a remarkably lazy man these days, and he won't be there at NOTW next year if he tries to rely on this kind of rubbish. He's in a ruthless environment now, but still seems to think he's at the cosy old Echo.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35554.msg935214#msg935214 date=1251623496]
[With apologies to Keniget, who abhors such threads]

The eagerness to write us off, allied with the ignorance about the team, is incredible. On TV this morning Paddy Barclay said 'Xavi' was our best player last season, and a London hack declared, in a generous moment, that 'Ranier' is a good keeper.


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according to them alonso was our best player and the 'heart' of the team, funny I remember the same people calling us a two man team of gerrard and torres, laughable.
 
Exactly. And there's not even a 'let's wait and see' sense of caution, it's four games in and a definitive judgement. There's so much witlessness in the coverage these days it turns most fans into blinkered recluses in order to keep their blood pressure down. So much for Sky's 'we know how you feel' ads!
 
Alonso was also a player who all of these pundits decided wasn't good enough to play in a Manure/Liverpool best 11 when the talk was that only 2 Liverpool players would make it into such a team. He was behind Carrick and Fletcher in the pecking order, apparently. Twats.
 
We are missing Alonso though, that much is obvious. But it's probably mainly because Aquilani hasn't played yet.

We rarely look good with Lucas in the middle
 
Nothing article from Bascombe, as is most weeks from him.

Maybe the rag is putting some pressure on him though? -C'mon Bascombe, give us some juicy stuff, c'mon you used to know em inside out, give us a backpage headline for council manure scumbags to look at the pictures.

Hopefully in a couple of months when we're back in the mix and the other top 4 teams have dropped some points, he'll get bored. At the moment it's easy to have a pop with us having lost a whole two games and Citeh buying whatever they fancy in the market.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35554.msg935251#msg935251 date=1251628734]
We are missing Alonso though, that much is obvious. But it's probably mainly because Aquilani hasn't played yet.

We rarely look good with Lucas in the middle
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That's highly generous!!
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=35554.msg935268#msg935268 date=1251630783]
Serious question, what and when was the last "positive" article he wrote about Liverpool?
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January 2009 - Selling Keane.
 
Bascombe doesn't even sound like he knows much about the club these days. In his match report he makes a predictable sneering comment about how Gerrard's importance might be a problem with Benitez because of the manager's 'team ethos' - I mean, when has a Liverpool manager NOT had a 'team ethos'? Phil Taylor? Ronnie Moran needs to get his stick out. (a pre-emptive 'oo-er')
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35554.msg935277#msg935277 date=1251632011]
I see the lucas honeymoon period is over

*cough* fickle fans *cough*
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What? Seriously...
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35554.msg935277#msg935277 date=1251632011]
I see the lucas honeymoon period is over

*cough* fickle fans *cough*
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What? Seriously...
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yes seriously, I'm indifferent to lucas but I read loads of people talking about lucas' improvement in preseason and how he was amoung the best players v spurs and stoke, well the 'lucas period of grace' is clearly over.

my personal opinion is he hasn't done that badly with the star players (the ones paid the big bucks) being... (I'll use a kind word here) erratic. he (lucas) hasn't been the best but he's been far from the worse but already for people the day aquaman is fit can't come soon enough despite the fact many haven't seen him kick a ball in anger ever.
but as I said I'm not a lucas fan so I don't care either way.
 
What a sensationalist and negative article, the americans are worried about finishing top 4 are they? That would be rafas fault then...clearly.... nothing to do with Man City spending 200M and Spurs spending year on year as well then...while we renew contracts.... magic stuff.

Bascombe isn't writing anythng new there basically is he... the new chief exec has stated our transfer kitty was used up on contract renewals and most of us were not expecting any more signings anyway.

Being severely pissed off wont change it and I certainly don't feel any sympathy for those two thieves however aggrieved they feel about their massive 30M pound spend. They wanted their cake and wanted to eat it aswell, the fact that other clubs have had genuine on field investment which they haven't put in themselves... oh it beggars belief.... i'm glad they are worried truly I am, i hope it gives em both ulcers... in fact i'd love it if blew right up their greedy faces if it wasn't for the fact it would fuck us up. Parasites both of them.

Bollox to the yank fools, sick of em already....they are just weak all round. Pathetic half men.

Gerrard and Torres however....the best show in fucking town....

Crap at the back and weird in midfield we may have been but I for one loved yesdys entertainment.
 
If we fail to finish in the top four, I think it's safe to say it is Rafa's fault.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35554.msg935333#msg935333 date=1251652926]
If we fail to finish in the top four, I think it's safe to say it is Rafa's fault.
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I think we will finish top four, but if we dont im sure that Rafa will be at fault also. We still have enough to finish top four, top one is still sadly a different matter and the fault for that is the Yanks all the way. What also isn't accpetable is the Yanks using purslow to tell us black is white and vice versa with Bascombe as a little shit stirrer to do the deed.

Our net transfer spend was zero thats a fact. Man citys was 140M or so.... we spent 20 million more than we earned because of big fat fuck off loan payments.

What do they expect exactly?? Gratitude?? Sympathy?? What?? i don't understand.... do they want us to feel as though they are just like us and worried about the team??

Other teams with heavy investment and they are moaning about the possibilty that a team going out and buying in star player after star player might actually be a threat....Oh but we put in 30M of our own money... well gee whizz...when was this exactly anyway and for what exactly? I bet you it was when RBS sat them down and asked them to stop fucking around and cough up some fucking dough for once.

The pissant shit fiends the leaching robberdog cunts. If i found either of them asleep i'd shit in their ear.

Its fucking ridiculous logic.Its pure fucking spin of the highest shittiest order by two fucking low lives.

Defending those cunts by attacking Rafa is fucking insane IMO, truly fucking sickeningly perverse.
 
No indeed I don't Jules.

Ahhh fuck it...

fuck it fuck it fuck it.

What happens if we've still got them cunts next year and Man city go out and spend another 100M.... it the law of financial gravity for gods sake... unless they actually put their money where their mouth is we are fucked. Crying about the competition getting better when you yourselfs are STILL trying to pull a fast one is fucking obscene.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35554.msg935350#msg935350 date=1251655249]
Calm down dude.

Fourth place isn't that bad.
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hhaha....

It is tho Ross, don't you be trying to tell me you don't think the same.

I'll calm down when those cunts fuck off.

It might be a while.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35554.msg935350#msg935350 date=1251655249]
Calm down dude.

Fourth place isn't that bad.
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rebel isn't here to defend himself 😉
 
I said it at the beginning of the year, if the Yanks were interested in success January was the time to add a difference maker. Last year was our chance, and we didn't take it. We all knew this year would more difficult because City would add a lot to their squad.

They're in it for one thing and one thing only (as wereDIC), that was my issue with the takeover from the beginning. A well run football club should have nothing to do with hedge funds, leveraged buyouts and investment groups and all those others parasitic fuckers who are only in it for what they can get out of it.

We can argue the toss over what should and shouldn't be available to Rafa now, but the fact is our transfers over the past two years have been shit. That makes it virtually impossible for us to lift the title now, because we haven't got the ability to spend our way out of the shitness we're currently experiencing.
 
people laughed when I said i'd take third, too right I would take it now otherwise the club will go under

I hope for more but you have to understand the changing realities which the media don't acknowledge. The commentator before was wondering how Mark Hughes has transformed his City team "they only won 2 away games all season!", err perhaps it has something to do with the £125m he's spent and the 120m+ wage bill. With a bit of luck though, they won't be meeting that criteria Platini has set out so they won't be playing in the CL though so I think that's a few years away i wouldnt mind seeing them bring it forward, the established clubs might demand it. the other thing is the European super league will be back on the agenda eventually as it's too risky to rely on CL revenue even if they can exclude City which I think is what they're going to do hence even Abramocunt agreeing to the ladder being pulled up. The political price has been paid.
 
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