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Depends how bad the cold is, I'd have thought, but in any case that doesn't seem to be what Hendo was suffering from.
Good one.
I would have thought that it is up to the medical team to determine whether it would be appropriate for him to play.
Wanting to play through an illness is hardly unprofessional and if anything is an admirable trait in a player.
We have had a few shithouses in our team recently who declared themselves unfit for playing duty contrary to what the medics had said.
I know which type of player I would prefer playing for Liverpool
It is your right to critisize Carra Modo.. But I believe you are way over the top. He is a local hero who has played his part for about 15 seasons. He has obvious limitations as a player but one of his strengths has been to adjust his game to avoid being exposed to his limitations. He was part of a rock solid defence playing left back. Not an Enrique kind of wing back as he knows he is not good at that, but as a well positioned hard fighting defensive guy. He has been a much trusted cd who has been feared and respekter by opposition. He has been an international for long period. But first and foremost he has brought with him the Liverpool culture over 15 seasons. That alone is important and that do make him a legend. By your standards Ringo Star was not å valuable part of the Beatles as there were better drummers around. But Ringo brought invaluable things with him just as Carra does. They are working class heroes. And they are true grit.
Gullible fool of a count. Henderson playing like shit was becoming a regular thing. His illness presented a perfect opportunity for him to get a shit game under his belt with a ready-made excuse to protect him from criticism. It was a win-win for him. Hardly an admirable trait.
Carragher is a fucking rock of a player. The problem you get when you try to stick up for him is that it makes him look like a pussy, like a little girl in the playground who's getting bullied by modo. It doesn't make sense to me, it's better to just attack modo more viciously than he deserves.
Well.. he do sound a little bit like a girl when he is talking.
Ringo Starr is a bellend
He was good in Thomas the Tank Engine
Gene practically vote in the MOM thread gave him no 1. I think you are mistaken.
Yes I probably am.
Ah what the fuck! Happy new year anyway mate
Happy new year...!
One of your best, Rosco.
As for the conversation on Carra. I can remember having countless debates and arguments back in KT days on his worth to the squad. Too slow, no passing ability, added nothing going forward etc etc etc. My reply was pretty much always the same; Carra bought something that money can't buy. Add to this that I could never remember, with one exception against Pires, seeing him skinned at fullback. Incidentally, Pires skinned Gerrard and bloody Henry in that same move.
The point is that Jamie was under tremendous pressure from a huge number of fans who thought he should be moved on. If Ged hadn't moved him to CB and if Rafa hadn't made that switch permanent then he probably would have been and nobody would be jumping on Modo now.
The bottom line, though Modo, is that Carra found his spot. Henry was an average winger before Wenger bought him and moved him into the middle. Carra will never be Henry but he was a truly outstanding CB. His "body on the line" performance in Istanbul was the rule rather than the exception. We would not have 5 if it wasn't for him and that alone puts him above most.
I'm sure some LFC supporter knows the family of the Everton player Gerrard seemed to want in a wheelchair a decade ago and thinks it means he won't be a Liverpool legend. I'm sure some manc fan is friends with who ever that city player was that Roy Keane deliberately injured and has decided that he's not a legend of the club. But it doesn't work that way.
I certainly don't agree with Vlad that Carra was a better organiser than Hyypia. The only one that Sami couldn't organise was Traore (though he, too, played a big part in number 5). Jamie was a bit too fond of the screaming instruction - something we know Finnan and Arbeloa weren't readily impressed with. But he never accepted second best, always played with an ingrained belief that Liverpool was Liverpool and everyone else wished they could be. His defiance against Mourinho, his combination with Sami, Istanbul, about 500 matches in between and even his frank aggression to perhaps our greatest ever player when he wondered about Chelsea; they're all reasons why Carra is an absolute Kop legend and always will be. Arguing against it is just pointless and stupid. Save your energy for something that might be remotely in question cause this fact is not: long after your dead and digested by worms, LFC supporters will still remember the name of Jamie Carragher as a legend of the most successful club in England.
Is that a compliment?
Despite this terrific post, I can't lie to myself, Wizardry.
Sorry, call me whatever you want but I just don't see his greatness.
The list I posted before about my memories regarding Carra wasn't selective at all though it might seem like it. I just listed stuff off the top of my head. The Blomqvist incident really wasn't the turning point for me. It's mostly been the own goals, the insecurity, the feeling that he always seemed to have a mistake in him, his poor touch and his constant hoofing. He's just not the type of player I admire on the pitch, despite his heart etc.
Carra just hasn't been that irreplaceable for me.
I miss Hamann, I miss Alonso, I miss Hyypia, I miss Fowler and I'll miss Gerrard when he calls it quits, but I just can't say the same about Carra.
Ha!
I don't need to see it. I remember it quite well, Carra chipped the ball to Mellor, who headed it down to Gerrard. Am I right?
The brilliance there was Gerrard's world class volley.
A lot of this is just flat wrong, but at least you're not having a pop at the guy the way you did before. That's what got my and others' backs up.
Oh come on, you can't pick out one pass and claim Carra wasn't a hoofer. There is no doubt that Carra was / is capable of playing a nice pass now and again but an elegant player he was not. Players like Carra have their place particularly in certain kind of teams playing a certain kind of football (which we've had at Liverpool) so I don't think there is any need to convince anyone that Carra is something he's not.
Then you don't get it modo. Even if you were blinkered and ungrateful enough to discount his longevity and loyal service, for a number of years he was a top class centre back who showed a level of determination and grit that Skrtel and Agger have so far found beyond them. While it is true to an extent that his game was limited he was also blessed with a dogged streak so wide you could see it from the moon, he earnt every one of his spurs andto be honest it's a bit sad that another Liverpool fan cant see that.
Well one thing that Carra was absolutely world class at was reading the game. Time and time again he managed to be in the right place at the right time compensating for his lack of pace - something that is very easily overlooked, as its not flashy or showy but just quietly efficient. Something our better ballplaying cb's atm could certainly learn alot from, thats why a Rafa era Carra would be on my teamsheet before Skagger every time
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