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Points Deduction..

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I thought under no circumstances would this be an issue?


BBC Sport disagrees..

Liverpool are likely to face a nine-point deduction if its parent company Kop Holdings goes into administration next week, BBC Sport understands.
League rules say a points deduction can be used if a parent company insolvency is caused by the club's management.

Sources suggest owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett would struggle to argue that the running of the football club had not affected the holding company.
Liverpool could enter administration if a sale is not agreed by 15 October.
More to follow.


We need all the points we can get at the moment..!
 
Well, BBC Sport had better take it up with the Premier League then, 'coz they've apparently already confirmed there won't be a deduction.

Who are these "sources" anyway?
 
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=42195.msg1191620#msg1191620 date=1286538927]
You're mad for thread starting this week MonsterMash.
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I prefer lots of little threads about specific aspects than monster 90 page ones thats just run off on a tangent of something stupid.. A quick scan of the board thread titles had no recognition of the potential points deduction that's "Breaking News" according to the beeb.. .:. new thread!
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42195.msg1191621#msg1191621 date=1286538939]
Well, BBC Sport had better take it up with the Premier League then, 'coz they've apparently already confirmed there won't be a deduction.

Who are these "sources" anyway?
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The sources are the relegation teams in competition with us for the 3 places!
 
Doesnt matter.

If we can get rid of the pile of shit owners and replace them with people who actually know how to run a sports business I'l take it.
 
*sighs*

We will not get a nine point deduction. Southampton never. West Ham never.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42195.msg1191621#msg1191621 date=1286538939]
Well, BBC Sport had better take it up with the Premier League then, 'coz they've apparently already confirmed there won't be a deduction.

Who are these "sources" anyway?
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It is someone close to Thomas Hicks.
 
I know,Sunny..but I really don't care either way.

I want my club back, and I can smell it.
 
People are loving the doom and gloom scenario's of late. Let's wait and see eh.
 
Liverpool are likely to face a nine-point deduction if its parent company Kop Holdings goes into administration next week, BBC Sport understands.
League rules say a points deduction can be used if a parent company insolvency is caused by the club's management.

Sources suggest owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett would struggle to argue that the running of the football club had not affected the holding company.
Liverpool could enter administration if a sale is not agreed by 15 October.
If Hicks and Gillett manage to block a £300m takeover of the club by New England Sports Ventures (NESV), owners of the Boston Red Sox baseball team, their holding company could be put into administration by the Royal Bank of Scotland over their £280m debts.
The Premier League board of chief executive Richard Scudmore, chairman Sir Dave Richards and secretary Mike Foster would then decide whether to dock points.

Liverpool are already in the bottom three of the Premier League after a dismal start to the season with just six points from their opening seven games.

Initially it was thought that the club would avoid a sporting penalty, but the club now faces the very real possibility of a deduction if a sale to NESV is delayed.

And it is now thought that Hicks and Gillett could find it hard to argue that the football club had not had a negative impact on Kop Holdings, especially when the club is the parent company's sole asset.
Liverpool's fate rests on the outcome of a declaratory judgement in the High Court on a date yet to be decided next week over whether the club can be sold to NESV despite the objection of the club's owners.
An appeal is likely regardless of the result, with no outcome likely before the 15 October refinancing deadline set by RBS, the club's major creditor. RBS will have the choice to waive their demand for repayment until the legal dispute is finalised, or call in the debt and place the parent company into administration.
Portsmouth became the first Premier League club to enter administration earlier this year and automatically received a nine point reduction, condemning it to relegation.

Liverpool is solvent and has been used to service Kop Holdings' debts, while in a similar case, West Ham avoided a penalty when its holding company went into administration last year. However, the club was just one of several interests in the portfolio of by Straumur, the Icelandic bank.
Meanwhile, John Henry and the other directors of NESV are expected to pass the league's new 'owners and directors' test, making official approval of the takeover a formality.
 
They're talking crap!
If the Premier League has come out & said there would be no points penalty, why would there be?
They, the PL, have said they've been informed of the situation all along the way and are happy with everything, so WTF BBC??
 
One plus point about that however is this; if there were a very real risk of administration and a 9 point penalty there's a good chance a court woud view Broughton's actions as being reasonable in the club's interests.
 
BBC Radio 5 yesterday directly quoted the Football League chairman saying that LFC would not get a 9 point deduction under any circumstances.

The reason is simple, between all our revenue streams we make enough money each week to pay wages and other running costs. The clubs who get points deducted are the ones who go into administration and don't have enough money coming in to pay wages etc i.e. living above their means.

STOP FUCKING BRINGING UP THE POINTS DEDUCTION - AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
 
I said on one of the other threads, this seems like something else which is being thrown about to try to push the sale of the club through.
 
i've got to say i'm still a bit nonplussed as to why we'd be put into administration. originally i thought it wouldn't be the case, and i read articles online backng that up, but now the idea seems so universally accepted, including by broughton himself, that i was obviously wrong.

is there anyone on here who has more than a vague knowledge of insolvency: i always thought administrators were appointed by the company itself to stave off its creditors, not by the creditors themselves. i can't see how the process could benefit anyone in our case. anyone help me?
 
I'm not really sure either, tbh.

My guess is that RBS will have a charge or a debenture on the loan; default on repayment will allow RBS to in effect foreclose and put the club into administration. An administrator would be appointed to take charge of the asset and either manage the concern until it recovers or if he's unable to do so wind up the entire concern.

Whether it against LF itelf or Kop Holdings I havent a clue.
 
Has any PL team gone down to minus points after a season has already kicked off?


-3 points will look pretty gruesome.
 
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I'm not really sure either, tbh.

My guess is that RBS will have a charge or a debenture on the loan; default on repayment will allow RBS to in effect foreclose and put the club into administration. An administrator would be appointed to take charge of the asset and either manage the concern until it recovers or if he's unable to do so wind up the entire concern.

Whether it against LF itelf or Kop Holdings I havent a clue.
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sorry - i know you're just trying to help! - but how could an administrator see the holding co. 'recover'? there's nothing to recover - it has a balance sheet of the club, and the debt, and that's it - except by selling the club. perhaps it's that the very act of RBS taking ownership of the asset (LFC) that can only be performed by an administrator, and can't just be a straight transfer from KF Ltd to RBS. yes, perhaps that's it...[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42195.msg1191679#msg1191679 date=1286542555]
Most likely Kop Holdings. I'm fairly sure the debt to RBS is owed by them, not by the club.
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that's correct JJ.
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=42195.msg1191683#msg1191683 date=1286542646]
Has any PL team gone down to minus points after a season has already kicked off?


-3 points will look pretty gruesome.
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no, portsmouth are the only prem club ever to have entered administration, and they had enough on the board to avoid a negative total.
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=42195.msg1191693#msg1191693 date=1286543304]
Leaving Roy in charge for another 3 games is our own 9 point deduction.
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ha ha so true.
 
brilliant, the club is left to discipline itself by keeping Roy in charge!

Preferred situation - the Englanders (new ones), get our club, and Roy gets the chop - new era begins with Kenny as caretaker for the season as a search for the preferred long term manager begins..
 
Hmmm, either the press & media are trying to create a story within a story (hardly something they dont do), or maybe it's as Avvy said, to create the impression that this a real threat, then state during the court case that there was a threat of administration & 'possible' points deduction.

Either way, it's bollocks as there's precedents set already.
 
To be honest we aren't the first and I doubt we'll be the last so I'm kind of glad were getting all this shit out in one go.

Its not as if its a blight on a great season, although it may well be a contributing factor.

Its making me hate football, if -3 points is a price to pay for loving the game again, Its surely a price worth paying?
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=42195.msg1191701#msg1191701 date=1286544316]
To be honest we aren't the first and I doubt we'll be the last so I'm kind of glad were getting all this shit out in one go.

Its not as if its a blight on a great season, although it may well be a contributing factor.

Its making me hate football, if -3 points is a price to pay for loving the game again, Its surely a price worth paying?
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Aarrrggghhh!!

We wont get a deduction!
 
I dont think we will either, but the fear that we might could prove useful.

Uncerainty is our friend.
 
Really fff?

The amount of times I've heard 'certainty this' 'nailed on that' on here I'm taking nothing for granted
 
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