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Platini unveils plan for clubs to live within means

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Platini unveils plan for clubs to live within means
Reuters - Yesterday, 16:05

MONACO - UEFA president Michel Platini revealed his plans for financial reforms in European football on Thursday which could signal the end of "sugar daddies" buying into the game and transforming the fortunes of a club.

The key to Platini's vision of what he has called "financial fair play" is for all clubs to be made to only spend what they earn in football revenues and he says he has the backing of Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich and other rich club owners.

The rules, which UEFA is still formulating and which will not be in place at least until 2012, would also mean owners such as Manchester City's Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed al Nahyan would not be able to make huge gifts of cash to their clubs.

The clubs would, according to Platini, "have to live within their means instead."

Platini told a news conference: "We have everyone on board with this, the owners, the players, the leagues, the national associations.

"If a club can get loans from a bank to buy players and is able to pay back bank loans then it is not a problem. But if a club gets a lot of money or subsidies from a big backer and is still in deficit in two years then it is a problem and we don't want that."

Platini added that an independent panel would be set up to judge whether clubs had broken the rules.

"The panel will refer any matter to the disciplinary committee and sanctions will be taken from a reminder to a fine to expulsion from the Champions League," he said.

Many of Europe's top clubs have huge debts, with Real Madrid having an estimated debt of 563 million euros up to the end of the 2007-08 season.

Financial experts have estimated Real's current debt could run to around 900 million euros following their close season spending spree.
Premier League club Chelsea reported losses of 65.7 million pounds up to June last year while Red Football, Manchester United's parent company owned by the Glazer family, recorded a 21-million-pound loss last year and has a total debt of 575 million pounds.

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Platini said he had the backing of club owners. "It's mainly the owners that asked us to do something - Roman Abramovich, (AC Milan's) Silvio Berlusconi, (Inter Milan's) Massimo Moratti. They do not want to fork out from their pockets any more," he said.

"I have told Mr Abramovich about this and he said nothing against it." UEFA would also look at losses incurred by clubs' parent companies who have to service loans, said Platini.

Sanctions - if implemented - would depend on the size of a club's losses, said UEFA deputy general secretary Gianni Infantino, who is in charge of the detailed planning process.

He said around 20 clubs had been sanctioned in the past few seasons and not given a UEFA licence because their finances were not in order.

"The potential sanction will have to be in proportion - it will be different if you make a loss of one million every two years or 100 million every year," Infantino said.

He said the new rules would not stop clubs like Manchester City breaking up the domination of the Big Four in the Premier League - as long as they were run on the right lines.

"We think that the opposite will happen because if you have a rich sugar daddy coming in and throwing money around this is unhealthy in the medium and long-term," he said.

"For the club to be healthy it has to live on its own means and generate income and this is not impossible. Clubs have generated revenues by investing in stadiums otherwise it is an artificial bubble which inflates the system and is unhealthy and unsustainable."
 
FourFourTwo put this forward a few years ago... I couldn't see it happening then and I can't see it happening now.
 
Great idea, and would love to see it work, but I think policing it would be a nightmare.


These two statements are hardly the same thing either...............


" he says has the backing of Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich and other rich club owners"

"I have told Mr Abramovich about this and he said nothing against it."


regards
 
I think something will end up happening. Nobody wants to see more and more Chelsea's and Man City's.

Anyways, it's a good thing we've got that stadium coming to boost our revenue, eh?
 
yea uefa introduce this and all the big teams break away and form their own super league. well done platini you cunt, bet you wouldn't have this attitude if the french teams were at the top.
 
On the plus side, liverpool would be in the breakaway and we'd be rid of the dwarf cunt.

I wouldnt be shocked if they tried to get salaray caps in as well. Or a % budget wage fund.
 
Won't happen - yet another Platini fuck up. Good idea to restrict money coming into clubs so that those on the brink go under instead of receiving much needed financing.

I would also think that as many clubs are public entities you would find direct contradiction between the laws governing limited companies and those privately owned. More European Court rulings on the way then.
 
I wouldn't be so dismissive of the idea, or too parochial. I think it is born out of a genuine desire to try and save the game from itself. If it stops all these shitty little clubs like City and Chelsea being spawned, and clubs like Real Madrid shitting over everyone, then I am all for it
Liverpool would , eventually become one of the winners as we still have a deep fan-base, and are able to generate money out of footballing and football marketing.
There would be some shite to go through to get there, but for the greater good it might be worth it.

regards
 
[quote author=Mors link=topic=35515.msg933883#msg933883 date=1251446421]
The worm (Abramovic) has turned!
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I don't think so, unless he uses it as an excuse to get out trying to look like he is doing tyhe decent thing.

As I said earlier, saying nothing is not exactly supporting it

regards
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35515.msg933885#msg933885 date=1251446650]
I wouldn't be so dismissive of the idea, or too parochial. I think it is born out of a genuine desire to try and save the game from itself. If it stops all these shitty little clubs like City and Chelsea being spawned, and clubs like Real Madrid shitting over everyone, then I am all for it
Liverpool would , eventually become one of the winners as we still have a deep fan-base, and are able to generate money out of footballing and football marketing.
There would be some shite to go through to get there, but for the greater good it might be worth it.

regards
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Pretty much how I feel TBH. I know how established wealthy families feel when lottery winners buy the house next door & turn the grounds into a stock car racing track.

It would, eventually, get things closer to the old status quo, & make a more level playing field for the clubs wthout backers too. Both of which would be good for the game.

However, I really cant see it happening, unfortunately.
 
I'm not as clear as either of you that this would be a good thing. If it leads to the biggest clubs breaking away and forming a European league, it'll cut those clubs off from their roots, relegate the national leagues - hence the game in each country - to subordinate status and end up representing the final triumph of money over history.

Ultimately it's the rich guys with an interest in the game who will decide whether this goes ahead or not. If they want it (which they might, in order to encourage the formation of a European league) it'll happen. If they don't, it won't.
 
Sorry, I should've been clearer Jules, I mean I like the idea, with the proviso it works exactly as intended, no breakaway league, no teams removing themselves from any league they're in currently, no exceptions to any teams. That's also the reason I dont think it'll work. The biggest & greediest clubs (ourselves included, sad to say) will threaten a breakaway league & this will be forgotten about, or diluted to nothing.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35515.msg933887#msg933887 date=1251446752]
[quote author=Mors link=topic=35515.msg933883#msg933883 date=1251446421]
The worm (Abramovic) has turned!
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I don't think so, unless he uses it as an excuse to get out trying to look like he is doing tyhe decent thing.

As I said earlier, saying nothing is not exactly supporting it

regards
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I just think that if this is true, he's decided he's bored with Chelski as a toy now and isn't going to bankroll them anymore. Maybe they'll have to start behaving like a business now, and maybe break even in 10yrs
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35515.msg933783#msg933783 date=1251415905]
Platini told a news conference: "We have everyone on board with this, the owners, the players, the leagues, the national associations.

"If a club can get loans from a bank to buy players and is able to pay back bank loans then it is not a problem. But if a club gets a lot of money or subsidies from a big backer and is still in deficit in two years then it is a problem and we don't want that."

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That is the most interesting quote for me and it seems a very sensible suggestion.

Clubs should always be allowed to speculate to accumulate as money has always been a major factor in helping football clubs become more successful. However it should be done within their means. Whether the money is from an owner that wants to help his club or is borrowed from banks is of no difference to me so long it is mandatory that it is paid back within a reasonable timescale.

I was always against previous suggestions of "living within your means" such as limiting salary caps and transfer funds to a percentage of a club's turnover because whilst it would stop the likes of Chelsea and City gaining an unfair advantage, it would hinder us competing with United and other clubs that has a greater turnover than us. Also, this seem to me a way of keeping the status quo forever and I don't think anybody wants that.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=35515.msg933894#msg933894 date=1251447023]
I'm not as clear as either of you that this would be a good thing. If it leads to the biggest clubs breaking away and forming a European league, it'll cut those clubs off from their roots, relegate the national leagues - hence the game in each country - to subordinate status and end up representing the final triumph of money over history.

Ultimately it's the rich guys with an interest in the game who will decide whether this goes ahead or not. If they want it (which they might, in order to encourage the formation of a European league) it'll happen. If they don't, it won't.
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On the basis of the above argument, I could only see a dozen clubs breaking away to be honest, and they would be the ones that this is aimed to clip the wings of, I accept we might well be one of them, it doesn't mean that I agree.

If they think they could have any sort of sustained meaningful competition among themselves they would be deluded.

I think most of the big second tier clubs are fed up of trying to compete, and are all over-stretching themselves almost to the point of extinction....ask Vallencia how they would feel about it.


regards
 
liverpool, utd, arsenal and chelsea break away the english league is fucked, same with celtic and rangers in scoltland, madrid, barca in spain, inter, ac, juve in italy etc.

no sky deal for the premiership, no mega money in the champions league - platini will get what he wants, the clubs that are left behind will be living within their means, just their means will be like minimum wage.
 
Who would make it?

Liverpool
Arse
Chelski
Scum
Citeh?? (Hard to argue with the £Billions)

Barca
Real
??

Inter
Juve
AC
Roma

Ajax?

Lyon
Marsielle

Bayern
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35515.msg933885#msg933885 date=1251446650]
I wouldn't be so dismissive of the idea, or too parochial. I think it is born out of a genuine desire to try and save the game from itself. If it stops all these shitty little clubs like City and Chelsea being spawned, and clubs like Real Madrid shitting over everyone, then I am all for it
Liverpool would , eventually become one of the winners as we still have a deep fan-base, and are able to generate money out of footballing and football marketing.
There would be some shite to go through to get there, but for the greater good it might be worth it.

regards
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That's a little bit of an "I'm alright Jack" attitude Vlad. If I were a City fan (and I'm glad I'm not!) after years in the wilderness I'd like to think that I'd want to stay with traditional values but football is about winning trophies and in this day and age that means having money.

Its a touch unfair to be a little elitist about this and say, "ah well if this comes off we'll be alright, so fuck off Chelsea Man City".

I loved the 70's & 80's (the so called good old days) but were they the good old days because we were top dog of because the game was truly great then? Frankly evolution comes and other clubs rise to the top. Its the way of it. I don't necessarily like it but is it really worth battling against?
 
[quote author=Rouge Penguin link=topic=35515.msg933987#msg933987 date=1251460749]
Who would make it?

Liverpool
Arse
Chelski
Scum
Citeh?? (Hard to argue with the £Billions)

Barca
Real
??

Inter
Juve
AC
Roma

Ajax?

Lyon
Marsielle

Bayern


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i think teams from less popular leagues like porto would be there. the greeks and the turks would also want a piece of the action. you'd get to 20 teams
 
I think it's a great idea and a much fairer playing field than the one that stands. It's easy to say when we're skint, I know, but success shouldn't be bought like Chelsea and City have done so, but instead built up by the managers talents over time.

I'm not convinced it'd lead to a breakaway either. I think it's pretty clear a European league has little long term future and would send football in completely the wrong direction. The game needs bringing back to the fans - not taking further away.
 
IMO you're 100% right about the effect that a European league would have on the game, but that's not relevant to the question whether such a league would emerge if Platini's ideas were to be implemented. There are people out there who want a European league to come about, for a variety of reasons, and they'll look to use any opportunity they can get to make it happen. The implementation of Platini's ideas could well give them such an opportunity.
 
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