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Dreambeliever

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Are awful in the air. Jesus did we win a long ball once in the entire game?

We made Jones look like Drogba.

I'm a big fan of Skrtel but if he is going to start every week we need an aerially dominate partner for him.

Agger was woeful today.

Apart from that I wasn't to disappointed. Their pressing was incredible today and any team would have struggled.
 
This place is fucking nut house. One week you're all hanging off the balls of Skrtel and Agger, that they're best defenders in the fucking galaxy, it was a masterstroke to get them on new contracts, next week they are shit and we need to get a new partner for Skrtel ffs.

Where's my bastard facepalm pic gone....
 
You weren't too disappointing with that display? What in the fuck. We couldn't string 3 fucking passes together for most of the game. It wasn't brilliant pressing, it was god awful midfield play.
 
This place is fucking nut house. One week you're all hanging off the balls of Skrtel and Agger, that they're best defenders in the fucking galaxy, it was a masterstroke to get them on new contracts, next week they are shit and we need to get a new partner for Skrtel ffs.

Where's my bastard facepalm pic gone....
Agger was completely owned from start to finish by f*cking Jones who before last week hadn't scored a goal in about 40 years.

Agger's marking for the corner was shameful only made worse by the commentator blaming Gerrard
 
You weren't too disappointing with that display? What in the fuck. We couldn't string 3 fucking passes together for most of the game. It wasn't brilliant pressing, it was god awful midfield play.
I thought we strung alot of passes together today and played our way out of alot of tight spots. Stoke just never gave up and pressed very high up the pitch. Think it was a mistake not starting Sterling.
 
Agger and Skrtel have both been part of good defences in the past. They're not so bad that they were complety carried - they're good players in their own right.

So what's the problem?

Have they both simultaneously become past their best? Do they make each other look worse than they actually are when paired together? Or is there a bigger issue to consider?
 
Gerrard was to blame for the corner as far as I can tell, tell me why I'm wrong, I'm genuinely curious as to what the assignment is there.
 
They're not a partnership. They really don't complement each other. If anything, they highlight each other's weaknesses.
 
We have not done well against any team who press well in midfield and high up the pitch..... Not once!

Although this is not the reason we lost this game, I feel that if we want to play two attacking fullback, then we need to play a stronger defensive midfielder to give some protection to the defenders. Anyone can look bad if the organization is bad...
 
It's interesting . I mean they were much better together last season so why such a drop this ? Are they both just off form and low in confidence ? has a change in team tactics left them over exposed ? Do they automatically forget things learnt under the likes of Clarke , rafa etc when a new manager comes in ?

Carlton fucking Cole and benteke pissed on them recently so it's no surprise they struggled at stoke also .

What the solution is going forward i don't know but both need a kick up the arse right now .
 
We have not done well against any team who press well in midfield and high up the pitch..... Not once!

yep, this is something that has disappointed the most . We seems completely surprised by it despite many teams in this league playing that way . We don't seem to have enough steel or fight to deal with it .
 
Maybe. Just maybe the coaching is shit. Maybe the defensive coaches dont know their arse from their elbow?
No one on the posts from corners vs Stoke!!?
No plan to attack second balls!?
And most baffling of all, TWO sitting midfielders and ZERO full back cover against a side who dont play with creative cms but look to get the ball wide and ping crosses in.
Laughable.
 
Maybe try Andy Carroll in defence.

If we try Henderson & Downing as RB & LB ... then it's only fair to try Carroll at CB.
 
Gerrard was to blame for the corner as far as I can tell, tell me why I'm wrong, I'm genuinely curious as to what the assignment is there.
Well my guess is it's his job to attack any low crossed to the near post. The ball went over his head, unless you blame him for not being being 6'7 I can't see why he is to blame.
 
Agger and Skrtel have both been part of good defences in the past. They're not so bad that they were complety carried - they're good players in their own right.

So what's the problem?

Have they both simultaneously become past their best? Do they make each other look worse than they actually are when paired together? Or is there a bigger issue to consider?
I think a lot of posters my self included have been somewhat misguided by Skrtel's hard as nails-looks, when it comes to it he's a far more cultured style of defender than that face makes you believe. Not unlike Agger too, composed on the floor, mostly calm on the ball etc. but almost a nonentity in the air, like Agger.

And therein lies the problem at least when we are facing teams that are big, strong and powerful. We will most likely see a far better defensive displays in coming games against United, Chelsea etc., as they are not basing their game on long balls torwards a handful of giants, why Agger and Skrtel won't be easily bullied.

The fact that Lucas and the rest of the midfielders didn't show up last night either certainly didn't help our CBs. We are simply so desperately in need for a strong, powerful presence either in defense or at the very least in central midfield to restore the balance somewhat. We lack steel as Piedro said elsewhere, and it's ever so blatanly obvious whenever we face a team trying to expose exactly that, the lack of it.

Personally I believe Rodgers fielded the wrong team and formation last night, but that's more the exception than the rule with him imo, but he needs to buy players for the XI come Jan or else he won't last the Season I'am affraid.

I mentioned last night that we should make a wholesale come January, ship Lucas, Skrtel, Henderson, Cole and perhaps Downing too. Players who will still attract a decent fee (Cole excluded) and get in a Wanyama/M'Vila type, a readymade creative midfielder, a pacy winger, a striker and a new CB with aerial presence. Hangeland's contract is running out with Fulham I believe and he'd be a sound stop-gap solution.

To be fair that is harsh on Skrtel, as he's been one of our better players this Season, and perhaps we shouldn't sell him - and Lucas too as he's only coming back from injury - but sometimes you'd have to look at what you've got and consider strongly whether that'll ever be good enough to compete with the best.

I am not so sure.
 
You touched on the issue there old lad.
Despite all the fucking tattoo's and hard man posturing our two centre backs are a pair of pussies.
You just need a big strong championship standard yard-dog forward to get in amongst them and shake it up and they shit themselves.


regards
 
Its insane how easy we get bullied by physically strong players.
Benteke against Villa and Jones/Walters yesterday.

The goals we concede and the mistakes we make is laughable.
Aggers marking, Skrtel slipping and Johnsons ability to cover the near post.
Amateur hour.

We need a dominant CB and DM
 
You touched on the issue there old lad.
Despite all the fucking tattoo's and hard man posturing our two centre backs are a pair of pussies.
You just need a big strong championship standard yard-dog forward to get in amongst them and shake it up and they shit themselves.


regards

It can't be that simple though. Skrtel's still the one and only CB I've ever seen who out-monstered Drogba in his prime. I'm thinking we maybe lost even more than we realised when Carra started to slip down the wrong side of the hill.
 
It can't be that simple though. Skrtel's still the one and only CB I've ever seen who out-monstered Drogba in his prime. I'm thinking we maybe lost even more than we realised when Carra started to slip down the wrong side of the hill.
I agree we need more of a leader from the back, maybe have Carra on the sidelines with Brendan barking out shit?
 
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