A name not mentioned but in my book a really good manager. Would you be unhappy to see him at the helm?
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If we don't fetch the King in, I'd sooner appoint Hitzfeld than any of the other names mentioned so far. An added bonus is that, after Mourinho, he's probably the guy Ferguson would least like to see take over at LFC.
who's the king?
If its reference to king kenny - i'm sorry he would not be the right choice. He has been out of the league for too long.
The man himself says different, and the club specially asked him to help find the next manager. To me that leaves the case against him dead in the water.
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The man himself says different, and the club specially asked him to help find the next manager. To me that leaves the case against him dead in the water.
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I have no doubt that his advice would be instrumental in helping find a quality manager.
Still a big jump from that to actually taking over the reins, Jules.
The man himself says different, and the club specially asked him to help find the next manager. To me that leaves the case against him dead in the water.
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I have no doubt that his advice would be instrumental in helping find a quality manager.
Still a big jump from that to actually taking over the reins, Jules.
I dont want Hitzfield. I am sick and tired of defensive-minded-attack-only-when-desperatly-needed tactics.
get bac roy evens then... if you want more attacking play then ozzi ardeles
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get bac roy evens then... if you want more attacking play then ozzi ardeles
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Yes of coure. How could I forget that if you dont want defensive tactics it is all about Roy Evans. OR Ossie Ardiles. How could I forgot that no coaches preffered more attacking style in Europe in 2009/2010 season.
get bac roy evens then... if you want more attacking play then ozzi ardeles
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Yes of coure. How could I forget that if you dont want defensive tactics it is all about Roy Evans. OR Ossie Ardiles. How could I forgot that no coaches preffered more attacking style in Europe in 2009/2010 season.
A name not mentioned by who?
I'd have him from the options there are. Failing him Pellegrini I guess.
I'd have him from the options there are. Failing him Pellegrini I guess.
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40670.msg1123619#msg1123619 date=1276958268]
The man himself says different, and the club specially asked him to help find the next manager. To me that leaves the case against him dead in the water.
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I have no doubt that his advice would be instrumental in helping find a quality manager.
Still a big jump from that to actually taking over the reins, Jules.
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Yes, Avvy, it is, but any change of manager involves some risk and the man himself is clear that he can make that jump. He simply would not have committed himself to the extent that he has if he hadn't been certain it would be the best thing for the club.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40670.msg1123619#msg1123619 date=1276958268]
The man himself says different, and the club specially asked him to help find the next manager. To me that leaves the case against him dead in the water.
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I have no doubt that his advice would be instrumental in helping find a quality manager.
Still a big jump from that to actually taking over the reins, Jules.
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Yes, Avvy, it is, but any change of manager involves some risk and the man himself is clear that he can make that jump. He simply would not have committed himself to the extent that he has if he hadn't been certain it would be the best thing for the club.
GENEVA - JUNE 05: Switzerland head coach Ottmar Hitzfeld issues instructions during the international friendly match between Switzerland and Italy at Stade de Geneve ahead of the FIFA World Cup 2010 in South Africa on June 5, 2010 in Geneva, Switzerland. (Photo by Valerio Pennicino/Getty Images) Valerio Pennicino/Getty Images
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Would Ottmar Hitzfeld be a good choice as manager of Liverpool FC
* Yes
* No
* Maybe
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The search for the new manager of the most successful club in English football history is on. The exit of Rafa Benitez has left Liverpool Football Club at a pivotal point in their history.
The Anfield club enters one of its most pressing and critical times in many a decade. In fact, pundits have liken this period in the club's history to the pre-Bill Shankly era.
And a similar rebuilding programme is required to reinstate Liverpool as a major force in domestic and European football again.
Here are the facts:
- Liverpool are not playing in next season's Champion's League.
- Liverpool do not have a significant budget to spend on strengthening their squad.
- Liverpool are in the process of selling the club; it is uncertain when this will happen.
- Liverpool need to rebuild and strengthen their squad with top quality players
- Liverpool need to retain the star players they have in the current squad.
Without doubt, a strengthening of the current squad is vital. But without Champion's League football and money to attract top-notch talent, there is only one other thing that players come to a club for and that is the coach/manager.
Top players will be attracted to a club by its coach. The draw will be to play for the best, learn from the best and develop as a player under a world class manager.
The following are the facts regarding the qualities required of the new Liverpool coach:
- Experience of winning a major domestic league title.
- Experience of winning a domestic cup competition within a top European league.
- Experience of winning a major European cup competition.
- Experience of coaching world class players and commanding their respect.
- A winning attitude.
- A world-class reputation that will attract top quality players.
The man with all of this and the desire to manage a top club again is, Ottmar Hitzfeld.
The current coach of Switzerland at the World Cup finals in South Africa had a dream to take the Swiss to the Finals and he has now achieved that.
Prior to Celtic appointing Neil Lennon as their new manager, Hitzfeld was strongly linked to become the Scottish giants' new coach.
He is believed to wish to return to the German Bundesliga after South Africa 2010.
However, the chance to re-establish one of the premier clubs in English and European football as a powerhouse in the game once more, may just be a challenge the German finds hard to turn down.
Prior to Rafa Benitez's appointment, there was some interest in Hitzfeld, but it soon faded as Liverpool honed in on the Spaniard.
A look at the achievements of Hitzfeld illustrates the calibre of the man:
- Two UEFA Champion's League titles (one each with Dortmund and Bayern Munich).
- Seven Bundesliga titles (two with Dortmund and five with Bayern Munich).
- Three German Cups (Dortmund).
- Two Intercontinental Cups (one each with Dortmund and Bayern Munich).
- Twice voted World Coach of the Year (1997 and 2001).
- Voted as Bayern Munich's greatest ever coach.
- Voted as the best Bundesliga coach of all time.
This is the coach that Liverpool Football Club really need.
The candidacy of the current Liverpool hierarchy's favorite, Roy Hodgson, pales into insignificance when viewed alongside Hitzfeld's.
Younger than Hodgson, by a year, the German speaks fluent English and so neither language or age should be an issue.
Christian Purslow and the appointing committee at Liverpool Football Club would do well to seriously consider Ottmar Hitzfeld as the man to lead the club through this difficult phase in its history.
Certainly there is no doubting the calibre of the man, it is just whether or not Liverpool have the vision to approach him.
Vote Now! - Author Poll
Would Ottmar Hitzfeld be a good choice as manager of Liverpool FC
* Yes
* No
* Maybe
vote to see results
The search for the new manager of the most successful club in English football history is on. The exit of Rafa Benitez has left Liverpool Football Club at a pivotal point in their history.
The Anfield club enters one of its most pressing and critical times in many a decade. In fact, pundits have liken this period in the club's history to the pre-Bill Shankly era.
And a similar rebuilding programme is required to reinstate Liverpool as a major force in domestic and European football again.
Here are the facts:
- Liverpool are not playing in next season's Champion's League.
- Liverpool do not have a significant budget to spend on strengthening their squad.
- Liverpool are in the process of selling the club; it is uncertain when this will happen.
- Liverpool need to rebuild and strengthen their squad with top quality players
- Liverpool need to retain the star players they have in the current squad.
Without doubt, a strengthening of the current squad is vital. But without Champion's League football and money to attract top-notch talent, there is only one other thing that players come to a club for and that is the coach/manager.
Top players will be attracted to a club by its coach. The draw will be to play for the best, learn from the best and develop as a player under a world class manager.
The following are the facts regarding the qualities required of the new Liverpool coach:
- Experience of winning a major domestic league title.
- Experience of winning a domestic cup competition within a top European league.
- Experience of winning a major European cup competition.
- Experience of coaching world class players and commanding their respect.
- A winning attitude.
- A world-class reputation that will attract top quality players.
The man with all of this and the desire to manage a top club again is, Ottmar Hitzfeld.
The current coach of Switzerland at the World Cup finals in South Africa had a dream to take the Swiss to the Finals and he has now achieved that.
Prior to Celtic appointing Neil Lennon as their new manager, Hitzfeld was strongly linked to become the Scottish giants' new coach.
He is believed to wish to return to the German Bundesliga after South Africa 2010.
However, the chance to re-establish one of the premier clubs in English and European football as a powerhouse in the game once more, may just be a challenge the German finds hard to turn down.
Prior to Rafa Benitez's appointment, there was some interest in Hitzfeld, but it soon faded as Liverpool honed in on the Spaniard.
A look at the achievements of Hitzfeld illustrates the calibre of the man:
- Two UEFA Champion's League titles (one each with Dortmund and Bayern Munich).
- Seven Bundesliga titles (two with Dortmund and five with Bayern Munich).
- Three German Cups (Dortmund).
- Two Intercontinental Cups (one each with Dortmund and Bayern Munich).
- Twice voted World Coach of the Year (1997 and 2001).
- Voted as Bayern Munich's greatest ever coach.
- Voted as the best Bundesliga coach of all time.
This is the coach that Liverpool Football Club really need.
The candidacy of the current Liverpool hierarchy's favorite, Roy Hodgson, pales into insignificance when viewed alongside Hitzfeld's.
Younger than Hodgson, by a year, the German speaks fluent English and so neither language or age should be an issue.
Christian Purslow and the appointing committee at Liverpool Football Club would do well to seriously consider Ottmar Hitzfeld as the man to lead the club through this difficult phase in its history.
Certainly there is no doubting the calibre of the man, it is just whether or not Liverpool have the vision to approach him.
Really? WTF? That is like looking at a dead foetus on a plate.
Im not reading all that. Whats the jist of it?
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Im not reading all that. Whats the jist of it?
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His record is as good as Mourinhos and better than that of pelligrenho. Pelligrenho failed to do much with a squad worth close to £500m.
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=40670.msg1123673#msg1123673 date=1276963321]
Im not reading all that. Whats the jist of it?
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His record is as good as Mourinhos and better than that of pelligrenho. Pelligrenho failed to do much with a squad worth close to £500m.
Re: Ottmar heitzfeld>
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[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=40670.msg1123673#msg1123673 date=1276963321]
Im not reading all that. Whats the jist of it?
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His record is as good as Mourinhos and better than that of pelligrenho. Pelligrenho failed to do much with a squad worth close to £500m.
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Apart from a record league points haul, which would have won the league any other year.
[quote author=redhorizon link=topic=40670.msg1123751#msg1123751 date=1276977161]
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=40670.msg1123673#msg1123673 date=1276963321]
Im not reading all that. Whats the jist of it?
[/quote]
His record is as good as Mourinhos and better than that of pelligrenho. Pelligrenho failed to do much with a squad worth close to £500m.
[/quote]
Apart from a record league points haul, which would have won the league any other year.
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[quote author=redhorizon link=topic=40670.msg1123751#msg1123751 date=1276977161]
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=40670.msg1123673#msg1123673 date=1276963321]
Im not reading all that. Whats the jist of it?
[/quote]
His record is as good as Mourinhos and better than that of pelligrenho. Pelligrenho failed to do much with a squad worth close to £500m.
[/quote]
Apart from a record league points haul, which would have won the league any other year.
[/quote]
Where've I heard that before...??
[quote author=GOD_23 link=topic=40670.msg1123804#msg1123804 date=1276991485]
[quote author=redhorizon link=topic=40670.msg1123751#msg1123751 date=1276977161]
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=40670.msg1123673#msg1123673 date=1276963321]
Im not reading all that. Whats the jist of it?
[/quote]
His record is as good as Mourinhos and better than that of pelligrenho. Pelligrenho failed to do much with a squad worth close to £500m.
[/quote]
Apart from a record league points haul, which would have won the league any other year.
[/quote]
Where've I heard that before...??
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/article?contentId=1981084
When Ottmar Hitzfeld finished his below-average playing career as a striker in 1983, there was only one thing on his mind. He wanted to be a teacher. However, bureaucratic difficulties forced him to postpone his dream for a while, and take a job as a football coach at tiny Swiss outfit FC Zug. He ended up as one of the most successful coaches of the modern era.
The man who masterminded the biggest sensation so far of South Africa 2010, leading modest Switzerland to beat hot favourites Spain, is one of the most experienced tacticians on show. One of only three coaches in history to lift the Champions League with two different teams, Hitzfeld also won seven Bundesliga titles and three DFB Cups, not to mention two championships and three cups in Switzerland.
The 61-year-old is known as The General, and has an image of a cold-headed old-school German coach, mostly focused on installing perfect order inside the team and organising a tight defensive-minded line-up. However, nothing could be further from the truth. Behind Hitzfeld’s poker face hides an emotional and sensitive person, whose success is mostly due to excellent man-management skills and good psychological instincts. At the start of his career he even found it hard to sleep at night before matches, and that was not because he was afraid to lose. Hitzfeld felt uncomfortable that he must bench some of the players who made their utmost efforts in training sessions, and was trying to find a way of bringing the news to them without shattering their confidence.
Hitzfeld possesses a winning mentality and manages to pass it over to his players, but he knows only too well that the secret is not avoiding losses, but managing to survive disappointments and come back stronger than ever. The list of his last-second failures, when he got 'so near, yet so far' is pretty impressive. After all, he was on the bench when Bayern Munich lost that amazing Champions League final to Manchester United in 1999. Leading for the length of the game thanks to a deflected Mario Basler free-kick, Hitzfeld succumbed to an amazing Beckham-Sheringham-Solskjaer turnaround in stoppage time. Two years later, he was back in the final and lifted the cup.
When he first went to the Bundesliga in 1991, Hitzfeld turned mid-table also-rans Borussia Dortmund into geniune title contenders, but lost the fight to Stuttgart on goal difference on the final day of the season. He never relented, and brought the historic title to Die Schwarzgelben in 1995. His first European dream ended in tears when Dortmund lost to Juventus in the UEFA Cup final in 1993. Four years later, the very same Vecchia Signora were sensationally beaten 3-1 in the Champions League final.
The General also has a very keen eye for helping players to develop their natural talents. It was Hitzfeld who converted Matthias Sammer, a good box-to-box midfielder, into a brilliant sweeper voted European Footballer of the Year in 1996. It was Hitzfeld who convinced Andreas Moller, a player for years thought to be the German cry-baby, that he was a leader, capable of guiding Dortmund to their maiden title and stepping forward to score the winning penalty against England in the Euro 96 semi-finals. It was Hitzfeld who brought inexperieced Frenchman Willy Sagnol to Bayern and turned him into one of the best right-backs of the decade.
Although Hitzfeld likes to analyse games with his players, and always makes sure they are aware of every little mistake they made, he would never criticise his men in public or demoralise them. “We learn from our mistakes to perform better in the future. The most important game is always the next one, not the previous one,†he says.
Those wise words were undoubtedly useful when Switzerland were beaten 2-1 at home by Luxembourg in one of Hitzfeld’s first games in charge of the Nati. Any other coach would never survive such a disaster, but The General duly installed supreme confidence in his players, and the qualification for South Africa was never really in danger once they'd recorded a huge 2-1 win in Greece.
In the last warm-up friendly game, the Swiss lost to a managerless Costa Rica. A few days later, they took the field in Durban, fearless when facing the most talented team in the world. The victory over Spain might have been lucky, but it would have been absolutely impossible without Hitzfeld's mentality. With him on the bench, Eren Derdiyok, Tranquillo Barnetta and Diego Benaglio believe they can move mountains, and that’s why the sky is the limit for the Nati in South Africa.
In a way, that’s what a good teacher does – he is able to unearth hidden talents in students and make them believe in themselves. Therefore, the old dream of Ottmar Hitzfeld was never dead. He is living it every single moment of his illustrious career.
When Ottmar Hitzfeld finished his below-average playing career as a striker in 1983, there was only one thing on his mind. He wanted to be a teacher. However, bureaucratic difficulties forced him to postpone his dream for a while, and take a job as a football coach at tiny Swiss outfit FC Zug. He ended up as one of the most successful coaches of the modern era.
The man who masterminded the biggest sensation so far of South Africa 2010, leading modest Switzerland to beat hot favourites Spain, is one of the most experienced tacticians on show. One of only three coaches in history to lift the Champions League with two different teams, Hitzfeld also won seven Bundesliga titles and three DFB Cups, not to mention two championships and three cups in Switzerland.
The 61-year-old is known as The General, and has an image of a cold-headed old-school German coach, mostly focused on installing perfect order inside the team and organising a tight defensive-minded line-up. However, nothing could be further from the truth. Behind Hitzfeld’s poker face hides an emotional and sensitive person, whose success is mostly due to excellent man-management skills and good psychological instincts. At the start of his career he even found it hard to sleep at night before matches, and that was not because he was afraid to lose. Hitzfeld felt uncomfortable that he must bench some of the players who made their utmost efforts in training sessions, and was trying to find a way of bringing the news to them without shattering their confidence.
Hitzfeld possesses a winning mentality and manages to pass it over to his players, but he knows only too well that the secret is not avoiding losses, but managing to survive disappointments and come back stronger than ever. The list of his last-second failures, when he got 'so near, yet so far' is pretty impressive. After all, he was on the bench when Bayern Munich lost that amazing Champions League final to Manchester United in 1999. Leading for the length of the game thanks to a deflected Mario Basler free-kick, Hitzfeld succumbed to an amazing Beckham-Sheringham-Solskjaer turnaround in stoppage time. Two years later, he was back in the final and lifted the cup.
When he first went to the Bundesliga in 1991, Hitzfeld turned mid-table also-rans Borussia Dortmund into geniune title contenders, but lost the fight to Stuttgart on goal difference on the final day of the season. He never relented, and brought the historic title to Die Schwarzgelben in 1995. His first European dream ended in tears when Dortmund lost to Juventus in the UEFA Cup final in 1993. Four years later, the very same Vecchia Signora were sensationally beaten 3-1 in the Champions League final.
The General also has a very keen eye for helping players to develop their natural talents. It was Hitzfeld who converted Matthias Sammer, a good box-to-box midfielder, into a brilliant sweeper voted European Footballer of the Year in 1996. It was Hitzfeld who convinced Andreas Moller, a player for years thought to be the German cry-baby, that he was a leader, capable of guiding Dortmund to their maiden title and stepping forward to score the winning penalty against England in the Euro 96 semi-finals. It was Hitzfeld who brought inexperieced Frenchman Willy Sagnol to Bayern and turned him into one of the best right-backs of the decade.
Although Hitzfeld likes to analyse games with his players, and always makes sure they are aware of every little mistake they made, he would never criticise his men in public or demoralise them. “We learn from our mistakes to perform better in the future. The most important game is always the next one, not the previous one,†he says.
Those wise words were undoubtedly useful when Switzerland were beaten 2-1 at home by Luxembourg in one of Hitzfeld’s first games in charge of the Nati. Any other coach would never survive such a disaster, but The General duly installed supreme confidence in his players, and the qualification for South Africa was never really in danger once they'd recorded a huge 2-1 win in Greece.
In the last warm-up friendly game, the Swiss lost to a managerless Costa Rica. A few days later, they took the field in Durban, fearless when facing the most talented team in the world. The victory over Spain might have been lucky, but it would have been absolutely impossible without Hitzfeld's mentality. With him on the bench, Eren Derdiyok, Tranquillo Barnetta and Diego Benaglio believe they can move mountains, and that’s why the sky is the limit for the Nati in South Africa.
In a way, that’s what a good teacher does – he is able to unearth hidden talents in students and make them believe in themselves. Therefore, the old dream of Ottmar Hitzfeld was never dead. He is living it every single moment of his illustrious career.
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[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=40670.msg1123673#msg1123673 date=1276963321]
Im not reading all that. Whats the jist of it?
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His record is as good as Mourinhos and better than that of pelligrenho. Pelligrenho failed to do much with a squad worth close to £500m.
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Apart from a record league points haul, which would have won the league any other year.
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Where've I heard that before...??
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There isnt any chance that we're going to hire a manager with a better track record than Rafa; the issue was whether Rafa would have been able to stop the rot.
He's gone because many think he couldnt.
Whether the new man can is a gamble.
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[quote author=redhorizon link=topic=40670.msg1123751#msg1123751 date=1276977161]
[quote author=The Slugmonster link=topic=40670.msg1123673#msg1123673 date=1276963321]
Im not reading all that. Whats the jist of it?
[/quote]
His record is as good as Mourinhos and better than that of pelligrenho. Pelligrenho failed to do much with a squad worth close to £500m.
[/quote]
Apart from a record league points haul, which would have won the league any other year.
[/quote]
Where've I heard that before...??
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There isnt any chance that we're going to hire a manager with a better track record than Rafa; the issue was whether Rafa would have been able to stop the rot.
He's gone because many think he couldnt.
Whether the new man can is a gamble.
Since you are Swiss ( I presume ) youwould know him and his style, do you reckon he can turn us around?
I've known him since the Dortmund days. He brought our poor swiss squad to the world cup and beat Spain.
He's a winner and takes the best out of his players. His teams are always ready for the big games.
He just signed an extension to his contract but that should not be too expensive to buy it out.
Having said that, I highly doubt he will join the Premiership.
He's a winner and takes the best out of his players. His teams are always ready for the big games.
He just signed an extension to his contract but that should not be too expensive to buy it out.
Having said that, I highly doubt he will join the Premiership.
I want Kenny or Hodgson.
English speaking managers - passion, stabalise the ship.
We don't need anything fancy or unorthodox, we've got a great first 11.
We need to regroup, buy a select few quality players this summer and get back in the top 4,which for me is easily doable providing key assets remain at the club and money is spent wisely.
Regardless of who it is they are guaranteed my unflinching support.
...Until at least Christmas 😉
English speaking managers - passion, stabalise the ship.
We don't need anything fancy or unorthodox, we've got a great first 11.
We need to regroup, buy a select few quality players this summer and get back in the top 4,which for me is easily doable providing key assets remain at the club and money is spent wisely.
Regardless of who it is they are guaranteed my unflinching support.
...Until at least Christmas 😉
He speaks fluent English. If he can take a poor swiss squad to the world cup - surely he could do the same for us?
I don't think Liverpool are eligible to play in the world cup 😉
True, but he's said he's staying with Marseille. Juve fans certainly rate him and were hoping he'd throw his hat into the ring when there was talk of Rafa going there.
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