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Manchester City failed to secure a place in the Europa League as a 1-0 defeat at Borussia Dortmund saw them finish at the foot of Group D. It does tickle a little
 
City have been underperforming all season. Yes they're unbeaten and 2nd in the league but that doesn't tell the whole story.

They look dodgy at the back and weak in midfield. Yaya Toure's nowhere near the player he was last season and that Javi Garcia's for fuck all, then there's the bemusing summer singings of Sinclair and Rodwell.

Mancini also keeps fucking about with the strikers when it's patently obviously Tevez and Aguero's their best partnership.

Hope they trounce the scum on sunday but i wouldn't bet on it.
 
Anybody else think that they may use this to drive on to a dominant league campaign from here on out..?
 
They are good enough to go very far in the Champions League.

It's just that Mancini will never take them there ... has always been a failure in the Champions League.

The best he ever did was a Quarter Final vs Milan in 2005.
 
Let's all start a debate on whether Rafa could have gotten them trough the group stage.

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I wonder how Utd would've fared in that group. Better I'm sure, but it'd be nice to see them tested properly for a change rather than given an almost free run at the semis.

City have been poor and they spent really poorly in the summer. Spending for the sake of it.
 
With that squad at their disposal I could have gotten them through the group stage.
 
I wonder how Utd would've fared in that group. Better I'm sure, but it'd be nice to see them tested properly for a change rather than given an almost free run at the semis.

City have been poor and they spent really poorly in the summer. Spending for the sake of it.

Or Arsenal. I know no-one really gives a shit about Arsenal, so it goes unnoticed, but I actually think they get even easier draws than Utd. I've never seen them get an even remotely tricky group.
 
I guess this is the CL thread for last night, and today ... so nice article about Shaktar:

Wandering around Donetsk, you wouldn't instantly realise that you had arrived at the home of footballing revolution. Vast coalfields intersperse with towering steel factories, some of which have laid empty since the fall of the Soviet Union. By way of replacement, the metallurgy and food industries have moved in, creating a a throbbing mass of smoke, steam and noise. Donetsk may be affectionately labelled as the 'City of a Million Roses', but it is a thoroughly generous moniker.

However, right in the centre of the city, in the Lenin Comsomol Park, is a monumental structure with a difference; this is no factory, and the Donbass arena is home to European football's 'form team'. Since 2002, Shakhtar Donetsk have won seven league titles, ten domestic cups and crowned this with the UEFA Cup in 2009. They had not won a league title prior to 2002, either before or after Ukraine's independence.

Recently, things have just got silly. The club won the Ukrainian Premier League title last season by losing just one game, and last month's defeat to Arsenal Kiev was momentous because it halted a run of 24 consecutive league victories. In this period, they scored 70 goals and conceded just 11. Shakhtar have not just broken Dynamo Kiev's dynasty but set the bar for domestic dominance. The Champions League has also seen Shakhtar's emergence. Despite being drawn alongside Juventus (unbeaten Serie A winners) and Chelsea (European champions), a point in their final group game at home to the Italian giants will secure top spot in Group E. This one of world football's most exciting projects, and Shakhtar Donetsk may be the definition of the modern football club.

No longer can progress be achieved in football without significant financial support. At 46, Shakhtar's owner and President Rinat Akhmetov is listed as the world's 26th richest man with a net worth of over £16billion, which makes heavy investment in the club little more than small change. Crucially, Akhmetov is also a fan of the club. This is not a foreign investor who fancied playing with a West London toy, relieving tedium with a real-life version of Football Manager. Instead, Akhmetov was born in the local hospital, the son of a coal-miner, and in the last four years is calculated to have given £68million to socio-economic charities in his local area. This is the ultimate tale of 'local boy done good'.

Akhmetov's effect has transformed Shakhtar. The club holds the top eight positions in the top ten Ukranian record transfers, and of the four Ukrainians in the club's first choice side, all are regulars for their country. Shakhtar's matchday squad for their last Champions League game contained 15 internationals.

The owner's involvement also contains a degree of the soap opera, seemingly inevitable in our modern game. Originally assistant to the presidency, Akhmetov inherited the role in 1996 when former President Akhat Bragin was murdered by a rival in a bombing on the club's former ground in row over business dealings. Akhmetov was late in traffic and therefore survived the blast. And we moan about players not shaking hands and tupping each other's ewes.

However, Shakhtar's imprint on the modern culture of football must be recognised for their acceptance, and indeed utilisation, of the shallowness of the sport. Rather than use solely Ukrainian talent or source from across Europe, the club have instead taken the unprecedented step of focussing their player recruitment in Brazil, a country 7,000 miles away with a culture and climate effectively opposite to that of Eastern Europe.

Akhmetov noticed that there was a rich vein of talent in Brazil (not exactly rocket science), and that younger players tended to drift to Europe's biggest clubs where they would often feel homesick and receive precious little match experience initially, often limiting their development. Instead, the owner wished to commence a continuous migration of Brazilians to the club, where they would reside for a period of time before moving upwards to one of Europe's giants. For this, the players would be paid wages higher than elsewhere in Europe and receive generous signing-on fees.

Striker Brandao was the first to make the move in 2002, and under the coaching of Romanian Mircea Lucescu (who joined in 2004) the forward established himself enough to earn a move to Marseille in 2008. By that stage, Elano had already arrived and moved on to Manchester City, and the seeds had been sown.

Today, nine Brazilians are plying their trade at Shakhtar (plus Eduardo, the naturalised Croatian). Some, such as Willian and Fernandinho have established themselves enough to be nearing their big move, gaining international caps in the process. Others, such as Dentinho, Douglas Costa and Alan Patrick are further down the ladder in terms of development, but their route is a well-trodden path.

The players themselves are more than aware of the status quo, as explained by Fernandinho: "Of course, all the Brazilians that were here in 2005 were something that weighed heavily on my choice to come, but of course money is the main thing. Financial opportunities of the European clubs outweigh the means of Brazilian sides."

Football has relatively few truly symbiotic relationships, but this may be one. The young players are able to adapt to the European climate and footballing style in the presence of fellow countrymen, providing eventual buying clubs with an evidence base to reduce their risks of a 'flop' buy. The players will potentially gain their desired glamour move, but in doing so will earn Shakhtar an augmented transfer fee (Willian's rumoured move to England will be at a cost of more than £20million) and the club has clearly benefited from the evident talents they possess. As Shakhtar's performances in Europe improve, the transfer fees are simply increased. It is a wholly impressive exercise.

Foreign revolutions have existed elsewhere, but not to this extent and not in such circumstances. Barcelona have had 17 Dutch players since Johann Cruyff, and Arsenal have recruited 24 Frenchman in their history, but these examples have coincided with manager nationality or nearing locations. Brazilians have also travelled to other parts of Eastern Europe, but not in such numbers. The three Brazilians in Spartak Moscow's squad is the nearest rival. This is, quite possibly, unique.

It may seem sad that certain things are no longer possible in football. Another Wimbledon may not ever climb the divisions and win the FA Cup through extraordinary team spirit, and another Nottingham Forest will not win European Cups simply through an inspirational manager. But although it may be a slightly warped vision of a fairytale story, Shakhtar's emergence as a European force is, to me, still mightily impressive.
 
I suppose it's a bit of comeupance for the fuckers, but in all reality, I don't think any team from this country would have got out of that group currently.
Them not being in the euro disney with us makes our route to the final a little easier hopefully.
 
I don't think they gave a shit about the match last night. Being out of the Europa league will be beneficial to their league campaign.
 
Celtic 2-1 up v Spartak.

Barca 0-0 v Benfica.

Celtic go through if it stays like this.


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The entire Benfica squad are marking Messi.
 
Messi gone off on a stretcher.

Is that Gerd Muller I can hear, jumping up and down, punching the air ?
 
How did Muller manage to score so many goals? He was a lazy little fecker at the best of times!
 
Qualifiers
  • Group A: PSG, Porto
  • Group B: Schalke, Arsenal
  • Group C: Malaga, AC Milan
  • Group D: Borussia Dortmund, Real Madrid
  • Group E: Juventus, Shakhtar Donetsk
  • Group F: Bayern Munich, Valencia
  • Group G: Barcelona, Celtic
  • Group H: Manchester United, Galatasaray

Ok considering chelsea won it last year and there has been an english team in 7 of the last 8 finals it might be hard to argue that english football is on the wane. But compared to previous years , English teams seem to be struggling to get out of their groups . It will be interesting to see if this continues in future yrs and if so will anything be done to address the standard of english football like the germans and others have done . I doubt it .

Anyway hard to look past barca or madrid . Dortmund , Juve , Bayern and United should be looking for semi finals at least .
 
I'd think PSG will be looking to progress a long way given their outlay. Delighted for today that Chelsea are out.
 
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