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New Players, New Formations

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doctor_mac

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So, thankfully Klopp is promising to be more tactically flexible next year, and says we should expect a greater variety of systems being deployed. Have a bit of a play and see how we might make the most of our players (incoming too) in the coming season.

Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp admits he still has not settled on his preferred formation and will be preparing the Reds for a number of different systems ahead of the new season.
Klopp predominantly used a 4-3-3 formation in the last campaign as the Reds qualified for the Champions League after finishing fourth in the Premier League.
Liverpool have already signed two new faces as they look to build a squad capable of challenging in Europe, with Dominic Solanke and Mohamed Salah arriving from Chelsea and Roma respectively.

Klopp's squad will return for pre-season training next week and the German says he will be working on versatility ahead of the club's opening warm-up fixture against Tranmere Rovers on July 12.
Speaking about his aims for pre-season, Klopp said: "Tactically-wise, getting more flexible - depending who is there and when - and introducing different systems.
"[In 2015-16], we played most of the time kind of 4-2-3-1, [in 2016-17] most of the time 4-3-3 or 4-5-1. In our opinion, it fitted best to the players we had.
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Liverpool have signed England U20 international Dominic Solanke
"I'm not sure which way we have to play next year, there will be a few different ones. And we'll prepare for European football also, so we need a bigger squad of course. We'll be good. I'm looking forward to it."
Liverpool failed to mount a serious challenge for the Premier League title last season after falling away in January, while Klopp's side also struggled in the cup competitions.
But the former Borussia Dortmund boss believes his young squad will have learnt from their mistakes from last season.
"Usually you always want to take the next step from one year to the next year," Klopp told the club's website.


"You have to see how things fit and when the new players are in. Young players are one year older, that doesn't make the biggest difference but being one year longer involved in the first team.
"They can make big steps because they are a little bit settled in a good way. They feel not as excited anymore about each day in training, thinking 'Oh my god, that's Adam Lallana next to me' and things like this. That can be a big difference.
"You have to probably make one or two steps back to then make five or six steps in the right direction. They are the same objectives."
 
Oh my god, that's Adam Lallana next to me. Hhahahahahhaaahhaa aaahh the moment you realise that oh shit we're fucked.
 
I usually go, "Ah...3PM let's have a look at the line up. Oh my God, it's Lallana"
 
Currently I'm thinking about something like this for the new season – modified "diamond" system (only front 6 shown here):

Attacking shape (4-4-2 "diamond"):
---------------Mane----------Salah/Sturridge----
-------------------------Firmino----------------------
---Coutinho/Lallana--------Keita?/Gini---------
-----------------------Can/Hendo-------------------

Defensive shape (4-5-1):
-------------------------Firmino----------------------
Mane-----------------------------Salah/Sturridge
---Coutinho/Lallana--------Keita?/Gini---------
-----------------------Can/Hendo-------------------

The strikers in this system are expected to defend like wingers (thus hopefully mitigating the defensive shortcomings of the "diamond"); when they drop deep Firmino moves forward to act as a target man, as soon as wing-forwards make their move forward, Firmino drops deep to be a secondary striker/playmaker. If Sturridge stays, the role of wing-forward might suit him (except for the defensive part).

Midfield 3 has a lot of options here, but personally I like a clear distinction of roles between a "playmaker," "enforcer," and "holder," that's why I paired Coutinho/Lallana, Keita?/Gini and Can/Hendo in this way and in this order. All of our midfielders (hopefully with the addition of Keita) are versatile enough to adapt to different roles (for instance Gini can at times be a holder and Can, Hendo and sometimes even Lallana can be an "enforcer") and hopefully that can result in the correct midfield balance for any type of opponent.
 
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That's exactly what I have in mind as well. But we'll need a quality left back to balance all this. I really hope we don't neglect that position this summer.
 
That's exactly what I have in mind as well. But we'll need a quality left back to balance all this. I really hope we don't neglect that position this summer.

Agreed. I think we need an attacking LB a la Roberto Carlos/Marcelo to balance out the cautious/solid Clyne on the other side. Still can't believe we let Kolasinac slip.
 
Can't see us playing much other than 4-3-3, which is what Klopp seems to be building around. Which makes his comments a little weird.

Bank on something like this:

Henderson
Keita? Coutinho
Mane Salah
Firmino
 
Still? After the resurgence he's had (when he was already an excellent player) since klopps arrival?

We're still doing this?

We're not fucked because of his excellence as a player. No, we're fucked because of the fact when Klopp had to search his thoughts for a name in order to complete his asinine point about young players being in awe, all he could come up with was Adam Lallana. It was not so long ago those names would have been Gerrard, Suarez, Torres, Owen, Alonso. So yes, we're fucked.
 
There's an alternative reading of Klopp's statement there.

He has no real plan for next season. But at least he's enjoying Ibiza
 
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He says that he plays the formation that best suits the players.

As it's fair to say we'll be signing at least a couple of first team players & he can't be 100% sure yet who they are (87% maybe), then it makes sense he won't know for sure what for formation we'll be playing either.
 
Currently I'm thinking about something like this for the new season – modified "diamond" system (only front 6 shown here):

Attacking shape (4-4-2 "diamond"):
---------------Mane----------Salah/Sturridge----
-------------------------Firmino----------------------
---Coutinho/Lallana--------Keita?/Gini---------
-----------------------Can/Hendo-------------------

Defensive shape (4-5-1):
-------------------------Firmino----------------------
Mane-----------------------------Salah/Sturridge
---Coutinho/Lallana--------Keita?/Gini---------
-----------------------Can/Hendo-------------------

I see.

So, to sum up, when we're attacking, Mane and Salah lead the line, but as soon as we move into a defensive shape, Firmino steps up as the main striker to help us defend.

There is a twisted logic in there somewhere.
 
Still? After the resurgence he's had (when he was already an excellent player) since klopps arrival?

We're still doing this?

He's supposed to be playing in the Championship next season though, when he turns 30.
 
Agreed. I think we need an attacking LB a la Roberto Carlos/Marcelo to balance out the cautious/solid Clyne on the other side. Still can't believe we let Kolasinac slip.

Looks like that left back might be Robertson from Hull though...

Not getting Kolasinac was a mistake, if he was interested.
 
----------Mane/Salah----------------Firmino/ Studge ------------Salah/Lallana/ Ings/Mane/Studge

Milner/TAA/The Cow-------Coutinho/Gini/Lallana-------Keita/ Hendo------The Cow/ TAA

------------------------------Lovren-----------VVD---------------------Matip



I'm thinking 3-4-3 might be an option from time to time.
 
He says that he plays the formation that best suits the players.

As it's fair to say we'll be signing at least a couple of first team players & he can't be 100% sure yet who they are (87% maybe), then it makes sense he won't know for sure what for formation we'll be playing either.

And what happens if we don't get Keita and a dose of VVD ?
 
And what happens if we don't get Keita and a dose of VVD ?

Then we'll undoubtedly sign our second or third choice player, they'll be marginally better, or worse, than our current lot & the formation won't matter for shit. It'll be same old same old.
 
Then we'll undoubtedly sign our second or third choice player, they'll be marginally better, or worse, than our current lot & the formation won't matter for shit. It'll be same old same old.

Yup.

That's what i'm worried about
 
Then we'll undoubtedly sign our second or third choice player, they'll be marginally better, or worse, than our current lot & the formation won't matter for shit. It'll be same old same old.
Not necessarily. It was a blessing for us that Gotze decided he didn't want come as we got Mane instead who has been brilliant.

I refuse to believe that there aren't any good if not better CBs than van dijk available. 70m is ridiculously overpriced.
 
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