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I may (really?) have mentioned this before, but the "I don't mind if we sign that shitcunt, so long as we sign someone sexy and awesome as well" theory fucking kills me.

It's the transfer equivalent of going to McDonalds; ordering 4 Quarter-Pounders, a mountain of chips and A DIET COKE PLEASE! Cos the diet coke is going to nullify all the shit you've got before it.

How about we just buy good players? Is that too much to ask for?
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45742.msg1349330#msg1349330 date=1308092169]
Aston Villa
Birmingham
Sunderland
Blackpool
Newcastle

That, ^right there^ is where we're buying our players from this summer if reports and Mark Mc are to be believed.

I'll stop typing now.
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*ahem*

Antonio Valencia - Wigan
Ashley Young - Villa
Phil Jones - Blackburn
Michael Owen - Newcastle



That right there is where United have bought there's from.
 
Whoosh, seems someone beat me to it.

Anyway, he's a good player but I wouldn't pay £20m, that's just ridiculous.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45742.msg1349419#msg1349419 date=1308119886]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45742.msg1349330#msg1349330 date=1308092169]
Aston Villa
Birmingham
Sunderland
Blackpool
Newcastle

That, ^right there^ is where we're buying our players from this summer if reports and Mark Mc are to be believed.

I'll stop typing now.
[/quote]

*ahem*

Antonio Valencia - Wigan
Ashley Young - Villa
Phil Jones - Blackburn
Michael Owen - Newcastle



That right there is where United have bought there's from.
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As I said above, United already have a brilliant squad and don't finish in 6th and 7th spot.
 
Aston Villa - 20M Downing
Birmingham - 10M Dann
Sunderland - 20M Henderson
Blackpool - 10M Adam
Newcastle - 10M Enrique

overly excessive fees, perhaps, but I am no where near as depressed about that list as some.

downing - my obsversation of this player is he plays with intelligence and swings in a good cross. I couldn't give a shit about stats with regards to his assists ratio, I have my own eyes. there are loads of reasons he could have low assists tally; villa don't load the box when he crosses, villa strikers are rubbish in the air etc. the boy can accurately cross from the left, that is good enough for me and it's something we BADLY need.

adam - we have badly missed alonso's ability to pick a pass from a deep position, this guy (from what I've seen) isn't in xabi's class but he's no slouch. if you have someone like adam that can pick a pass early and unexpectedly then players like suarez will become devastating and dare I say downing (if we sign him) will suddenly become more dangerous because he will have that extra yard of space with which to cross.

dann - haven't seen a lot of this guy so can't really comment on his ability, but if he is better in the air than skrtel, has better positional sense than skrtel, is less injury prone that agger then we would have improved the squad.

henderson - another player I have seen little of. people go on about kuyt and how he will play the majority of games so following on from that, when kuyt has his annual slump usually there are fuck all options with which to replace him with so he remains in the team stinking out the place, if nothing else you'd hope henderson will provide better competition than the players we currently possess and if he hits the ground running even push kuyt out of the team or further up the pitch to play in his (kuyt's) true position.

enrique - currently at left back we have a right back (johnson) a shard of glass (aurelio) and a talented youngster (flannigan). we need a left back.

not marquee signing amoung that lot but they will improve the team and (you'd hope) being from the premership will be less likely to diasppear up their own arse in nov/dec. one last thing only henderson has officially signed.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45742.msg1349423#msg1349423 date=1308120224]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45742.msg1349419#msg1349419 date=1308119886]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45742.msg1349330#msg1349330 date=1308092169]
Aston Villa
Birmingham
Sunderland
Blackpool
Newcastle

That, ^right there^ is where we're buying our players from this summer if reports and Mark Mc are to be believed.

I'll stop typing now.
[/quote]

*ahem*

Antonio Valencia - Wigan
Ashley Young - Villa
Phil Jones - Blackburn
Michael Owen - Newcastle



That right there is where United have bought there's from.
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As I said above, United already have a brilliant squad and don't finish in 6th and 7th spot.
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Doesnt matter what club they're from, it just matters if they're of any quality.

Which is pretty much what you're getting at.

Let's not forget who we got from fucking Scunthorpe after all
 
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=45742.msg1349434#msg1349434 date=1308121963]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45742.msg1349423#msg1349423 date=1308120224]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45742.msg1349419#msg1349419 date=1308119886]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45742.msg1349330#msg1349330 date=1308092169]
Aston Villa
Birmingham
Sunderland
Blackpool
Newcastle

That, ^right there^ is where we're buying our players from this summer if reports and Mark Mc are to be believed.

I'll stop typing now.
[/quote]

*ahem*

Antonio Valencia - Wigan
Ashley Young - Villa
Phil Jones - Blackburn
Michael Owen - Newcastle



That right there is where United have bought there's from.
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As I said above, United already have a brilliant squad and don't finish in 6th and 7th spot.
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Doesnt matter what club they're from, it just matters if they're of any quality.

Which is pretty much what you're getting at.

Let's not forget who we got from fucking Scunthorpe after all
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or who we got from wlliam II
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45742.msg1349416#msg1349416 date=1308119549]
I may (really?) have mentioned this before, but the "I don't mind if we sign that shitcunt, so long as we sign someone sexy and awesome as well" theory fucking kills me.

It's the transfer equivalent of going to McDonalds; ordering 4 Quarter-Pounders, a mountain of chips and A DIET COKE PLEASE! Cos the diet coke is going to nullify all the shit you've got before it.

How about we just buy good players? Is that too much to ask for?
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I take your point, but the squad depth is awfully thin.

I don't think it's an unreasonable position to say "If we sign someone dead good as 1st team, I can live with Downing as a squad option" - as long as we aren't paying these ridiculous sums being suggested
 
How on earth are there people who *actively* want Downing to join?

I mean it's one thing to *accept* him as a signing, but is there anyone who, if given 15 million to spend, would spend it on Downing?
 
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=45742.msg1349445#msg1349445 date=1308123353]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45742.msg1349416#msg1349416 date=1308119549]
I may (really?) have mentioned this before, but the "I don't mind if we sign that shitcunt, so long as we sign someone sexy and awesome as well" theory fucking kills me.

It's the transfer equivalent of going to McDonalds; ordering 4 Quarter-Pounders, a mountain of chips and A DIET COKE PLEASE! Cos the diet coke is going to nullify all the shit you've got before it.

How about we just buy good players? Is that too much to ask for?
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I take your point, but the squad depth is awfully thin.

I don't think it's an unreasonable position to say "If we sign someone dead good as 1st team, I can live with Downing as a squad option" - as long as we aren't paying these ridiculous sums being suggested
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I agree SR, but my other worry is that we've padded the squad for years and won nothing.

We don't have enough world class players. That's more of an issue than not having enough 10M players from Birmingham to fill out the squad.
 
I agree, but all too often the squad options we've signed in the past have not been preceded by signing somebody for the first team - ergo by default they're no longer squad options and are in fact first team.

Hopefully we've left those days behind us.

Downing is currently better than anything we've got at left wing. This does not mean that we should be happy with signing him as a first choice, because he patently isn't good enough, however if he does come as a squad option and is there as a back up plan to Mr Wellfuckinggood, then it's not an entirely unreasonable proposition.

Well, as long as you ignore the £20M factor that is. At that price Villa can lick the shit out of their own arse before we should do business with them
 
Downing is probably of the standard of alot of our "good" signings in recent years who've served the first team well for a couple of seasons. He might effectively be replacing a few of our squad players and lets face it, in recent years they've been the standard of Jovanovic, Poulsen, N'Gog etc, he's much better than that and is good enough to play in the first team regularly enough. Strength in depth. Whereas before we'd have three players like the above mentioned, we might now have one of the standard of Downing, or Maxi, Spearing or whoever, which is a vast improvement.

As said though, the price has got to be reasonable or it's not worth it, but he's not 'shit' and people who are saying he is obviously haven't watched him over the last few seasons. Michael Carrick has done a quiet, unspectacular job at United for a few years now, they miss him when he doesn't play, but everyone said he was overpriced and he still has question marks over his head. Does he give a shite when he looks at his medals, or does Fergie for that matter? Do they fuck.

He's good enough to play for a top four side on a regular basis, whether he's good enough to cement a place to the point of being undroppable is a completely separate issue, but you could say that about alot of players at the top sides, especially United.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45742.msg1349460#msg1349460 date=1308124474]
Downing is probably of the standard of alot of our "good" signings in recent years who've served the first team well for a couple of seasons. He might effectively be replacing a few of our squad players and lets face it, in recent years they've been the standard of Jovanovic, Poulsen, N'Gog etc, he's much better than that and is good enough to play in the first team regularly enough. Strength in depth. Whereas before we'd have three players like the above mentioned, we might now have one of the standard of Downing, or Maxi, Spearing or whoever, which is a vast improvement.

As said though, the price has got to be reasonable or it's not worth it, but he's not 'shit' and people who are saying he is obviously haven't watched him over the last few seasons. Michael Carrick has done a quiet, unspectacular job at United for a few years now, they miss him when he doesn't play, but everyone said he was overpriced and he still has question marks over his head. Does he give a shite when he looks at his medals, or does Fergie for that matter? Do they fuck.

He's good enough to play for a top four side on a regular basis, whether he's good enough to cement a place to the point of being undroppable is a completely separate issue, but you could say that about alot of players at the top sides, especially United.
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He's 26. Why is he not playing for one of these top 4 sides mate?
 
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=45742.msg1349446#msg1349446 date=1308123365]
How on earth are there people who *actively* want Downing to join?

I mean it's one thing to *accept* him as a signing, but is there anyone who, if given 15 million to spend, would spend it on Downing?
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Well, there are obviously people who *actively* think he's a good player. I think he's good and would be happy if we signed him although I obviously don't like having to overpay(seems this summer you have to overpay for everything though). Something like £13m would be a good deal imo. A lot of Villa fans seem to think he had a way better season than Ashley Young and he'd be a bigger loss. I can't help feeling people don't like Downing because they remember the player who played for Middlesboro all those years ago. He's a much improved player now. I wouldn't want him to be the only winger we sign but if we get for example him+Mata I'm really really happy.

I don't like using stats to reason a signing but Downing has really good stats too. Nothing like Pennant back when we signed him who just had the most crosses in the league and people used it to convince he was the best crosser in the league(like some people think Lucas is the best tackler in the league because he has the most tackles).
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45742.msg1349462#msg1349462 date=1308125042]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45742.msg1349460#msg1349460 date=1308124474]
Downing is probably of the standard of alot of our "good" signings in recent years who've served the first team well for a couple of seasons. He might effectively be replacing a few of our squad players and lets face it, in recent years they've been the standard of Jovanovic, Poulsen, N'Gog etc, he's much better than that and is good enough to play in the first team regularly enough. Strength in depth. Whereas before we'd have three players like the above mentioned, we might now have one of the standard of Downing, or Maxi, Spearing or whoever, which is a vast improvement.

As said though, the price has got to be reasonable or it's not worth it, but he's not 'shit' and people who are saying he is obviously haven't watched him over the last few seasons. Michael Carrick has done a quiet, unspectacular job at United for a few years now, they miss him when he doesn't play, but everyone said he was overpriced and he still has question marks over his head. Does he give a shite when he looks at his medals, or does Fergie for that matter? Do they fuck.

He's good enough to play for a top four side on a regular basis, whether he's good enough to cement a place to the point of being undroppable is a completely separate issue, but you could say that about alot of players at the top sides, especially United.
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He's 26. Why is he not playing for one of these top 4 sides mate?
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in 2012 he will be 😉
 
Anything above 6-7 million would be an awful deal for Downing. He's going to be 27 this year and will not offer more than 2-3 years of good football.

I'm struggling to think of a SINGLE argument to justify paying somewhere close to 15 million for him.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45742.msg1349462#msg1349462 date=1308125042]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45742.msg1349460#msg1349460 date=1308124474]
Downing is probably of the standard of alot of our "good" signings in recent years who've served the first team well for a couple of seasons. He might effectively be replacing a few of our squad players and lets face it, in recent years they've been the standard of Jovanovic, Poulsen, N'Gog etc, he's much better than that and is good enough to play in the first team regularly enough. Strength in depth. Whereas before we'd have three players like the above mentioned, we might now have one of the standard of Downing, or Maxi, Spearing or whoever, which is a vast improvement.

As said though, the price has got to be reasonable or it's not worth it, but he's not 'shit' and people who are saying he is obviously haven't watched him over the last few seasons. Michael Carrick has done a quiet, unspectacular job at United for a few years now, they miss him when he doesn't play, but everyone said he was overpriced and he still has question marks over his head. Does he give a shite when he looks at his medals, or does Fergie for that matter? Do they fuck.

He's good enough to play for a top four side on a regular basis, whether he's good enough to cement a place to the point of being undroppable is a completely separate issue, but you could say that about alot of players at the top sides, especially United.
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He's 26. Why is he not playing for one of these top 4 sides mate?
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People would still buy Scott Parker and he did fuck all at Chelsea. How old was Gary Mac when we bought him? He won the title with Leeds but no one else wanted him after that, no 'top sides'. He didn't get a big move to us until he was 35! What about Sherringham? United signed him from a average Spurs side when he was 31.
 
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=45742.msg1349466#msg1349466 date=1308125486]
Anything above 6-7 million would be an awful deal for Downing. He's going to be 27 this year and will not offer more than 2-3 years of good football.

I'm struggling to think of a SINGLE argument to justify paying somewhere close to 15 million for him.
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How the market currently stands you won't be getting anything even decent for 6-7m.
 
How the market currently stands is an illusion, imo.

The market is what clubs are willing to pay, and we've proven we're willing to pay loads for players who're either unproven or promising.

When you pay 35 million for a promising striker and 20 million for a promising midfielder you're not going to get away with paying 6 million for a decent, probably above averag winger.

I know a lot on here are ecstatic at the thought that we're paying SO over the odds for these British players and could care less at the amounts spent as when these dont work out, they think theres plenty more where that came from.

When it's suggested that better value can be had for far better players elsewhere the usual refrain is that they want CL and wouldnt come here.

To me, that's just laziness in scouting, negotiating, and in making an indepth study of the talent out there in favour of 'safer' targets.

I hope they're right though, because the consequences are very serious.
 
That's rubbish.

Just off the top of my head, quality attacking players I can think of who've been sold for 8m or less in the past one year include Hernandez, Adam Johnson, VdV, Afellay, Adebayor etc. Already, in this window, the likes of Sahin, Prince-Boateng, and Herrera have gone for 8m or less. Almost all of them represent better value than Downing.

There is good value to be found every transfer window. It's just a question of finding it. That's Comolli's job. And if we're splurging money, I expect us to go after established top quality players or potential world class players. No theory justifies splurging money on average-to-good players like Downing.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45742.msg1349280#msg1349280 date=1308089104]
Who voted "YES"?
Molbytwin demands that you show yourself!!!
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That was me, I don't mind downing, I guess you could say I would be happy if we signed him. He isn't slow, he can pass, he can shoot, gets a few goals and assists, good at crossing. Only thing I wouldn't want him is if we have to pay more than 15mil for him, I'd say he is worth 12mil. Obviously we all would rather players like Mata but I trust in the team Kenny is building.
 
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=45742.msg1349508#msg1349508 date=1308128214]
That's rubbish.

Just off the top of my head, quality attacking players I can think of who've been sold for 8m or less in the past one year include Hernandez, Adam Johnson, VdV, Afellay, Adebayor etc. Already, in this window, the likes of Sahin, Prince-Boateng, and Herrera have gone for 8m or less. Almost all of them represent better value than Downing.

There is good value to be found every transfer window. It's just a question of finding it. That's Comolli's job. And if we're splurging money, I expect us to go after established top quality players or potential world class players. No theory justifies splurging money on average-to-good players like Downing.
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Almost all of the players you listed are special cases for one reason or another though and other than VdV I can't see we'd have had much chance of signing them. We need to improve and we can't just wait for an amazing deal to pop out of nothing or we'll be left empty handed.
 
more yes's than no's..... i fear for humanity i really do.

He is exactly the shit, miserable, sit back down it cos only that shithawk again, kind of signing we've been getting by with for so long, I thought this was supposed to be a new era??

Stewart fucking Downing.

I'm almost as exasperated as i was with the Rafa saga. The only reason he is better than what we have there is because we currently don't have anybody there... he is never in a million years Liverpool quality, and for 20M!!

Fuck it lets throw in Suarez and Gerrard as makeweights...

Now of course it poses the questions of the 40% of people who actually want him to sign how many of them actually REALLY honestly want him to sign because he is a good player as opposed to better than nothing?? Do me another poll modo please.

I feel sick.
 
I would have thought you guys would be happy to see a winger arrive in the summer, 'ANY' competent winger. look who we've had on our left wing for pretty much TEN YEARS, with the exception of kewell in his first season downing is better than all of them.
I don't 'actively' want downing but I wont cry into my beer if he is signed either.
 
[quote author=Lewy link=topic=45742.msg1349526#msg1349526 date=1308129533]
fuckin ell you really dont like downing

we cant have a team of suarez's
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No but we could have one or two more players of his ilk to share the match winning responsibility.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45742.msg1349535#msg1349535 date=1308130120]
I would have thought you guys would be happy to see a winger arrive in the summer, 'ANY' competent winger. look who we've had on our left wing for pretty much TEN YEARS, with the exception of kewell in his first season downing is better than all of them.
I don't 'actively' want downing but I wont cry into my beer if he is signed either.
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Pennantism.

The false economy of buying average when you really need good, or in this case the incredibly expensive version of that.
 
Downing - "you can't have stars in all positions"
Adam - "you can't have stars in all positions"
Dann - "you can't have stars in all positions"
Enrique - "you can't have stars in all positions"

So no star players this summer then, yeah?
 
Absolutely. If we sign that lot, I'll need to break something. And ideally, I'd want it to be Comoll's skull.
 
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