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MLB season, 2014-15

LeTallecWiz

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Starts off with a bang. Rangers have traded Kinsler (2B) for Prince Fielder (Detroit's 1B).

Finally, we have a power lefty bat to replace Josh Hamilton.

ESPN seems convinced we'll be signing Cano too ... Seems stupid, but JD is a bloody good GM .. so who knows.
 
Also have a weird feeling A-Rod's team will release evidence that will put a black stain on Selig ... They can't be this confident without something good.
 
The Rangers seem to have got the better end of that deal. And it makes sense given both teams probably had too many of what they gave away and not enough of what they got back. Profar and Andrus can man the middle for the Rangers, Cabrera can move to 1st with Martinez at DH for the Tigers. It probably enables the TIgers to re-sign Scherzer as well.

Jonah Keri on Kinsler:

[article=http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/83340/why-the-prince-fielder-ian-kinsler-megadeal-is-a-smart-trade-for-both-the-tigers-and-rangers]There’s some cause for concern, however, as Kinsler just delivered his worst season since his rookie year. The 13 homers he hit in 2013 and his .136 isolated slugging mark (slugging average minus batting average, a measure that does a better job of examining doubles and triples in addition to home runs) were the worst numbers of his career, discounting an injury-shortened 2010. Kinsler has slowed noticeably over the years, and he ranked as a below-average baserunner for the first time in 2013, per FanGraphs. He walked far less often in 2012 and 2013 than he did in 2011. His defense might be toughest to gauge: Ultimate Zone Rating ranked him as a pedestrian fielder in 2013, while Defensive Runs Saved rated him as one of the best defensive second basemen in the game. The truth likely lies somewhere in the middle, with Kinsler right around league average or a tick better.

Nate Silver is one of several analysts to study age curves for second basemen, only to find some scary results: Those who man the deuce peak early, then suffer an ugly and rapid decline. There are a couple of things that might explain this trend. Second basemen might take more punishment than players at most other non-catcher positions, having to stand in on double plays while runners barrel into them; Kinsler has struggled at times with injuries, missing 59 games in 2010 and 26 in 2013, though just 12 games combined in 2011 and 2012. Also, second basemen are often inferior athletes compared to shortstops, and less-talented players tend to excel for shorter periods of time. At his best, Kinsler has shown that he’s a very good athlete, someone close to a five-tool player. But at age 31, with his power and speed ebbing, Kinsler’s best days might be behind him. Plus, as Craig Goldstein and Paul Sporer noted in a recent Baseball Prospectus post, Kinsler owes some of his offensive success to his very friendly home ballpark: He has posted a .207 isolated slugging mark at home in his eight-year career and a .157 ISO on the road.[/article]

Fangraphs think it's a win for the Tigers:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/rangers-move-pieces-around-outcome-to-be-determined/
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/tigers-exchange-albatross-for-good-player-get-even-better/

I'm not so sure I agree with Dave Cameron's view on Fangraphs - Fielder's contract is big but power is in short supply since the use of PED's dropped, Fielder has it, and it's not unusual for him to have up and down years. There's Mo Vaughn potential with him too, but I think Keri's worry about Kinsler is a bigger concern.

That said, Cameron might have a point:

[article]From the Tigers perspective, this can simply be looked at as swapping Fielder for Kinsler and the right to re-spend $76 million on something else. And there’s just no way that’s not a huge win for the Tigers.[/article]
 
Cano could be in the works.

Jay-Z seems intent on making waves and the Yankees seem willing to call his bluff on the 310m/10 years he's looking to get Cano.

The A-Rod thing is intriguing. It's as clear as day he was taking PED's again, but right from the time Braun got done and accepted the ban there were plenty of calls for him to fight it because something wasn't right about the way MLB had gone about things. I'm not sure it isn't just drama for the sake of it from the A-Rod camp. But I'd say there's plenty of dirt on both sides of that case.
 
David Freese, the 2011 world series MVP, traded by the Cardinals to the Angels for Bourjos.
 
[article=http://espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove13/story/_/id/10007705/sizing-market-robinson-cano]Nothing livens up the good old hot-stove conversations these days more than this lightning-rod question:

Who, besides the Yankees, could possibly, conceivably, theoretically, let's-just-say-for-argument's-sake, sign Robinson Cano?

So we tossed that question out there this week -- and got answers like this:

"He's going back to the Yankees," said one AL executive. "Is that even a question?"

"There's nowhere else he can go," said an NL executive.

"Who can do this except the Yankees?" asked another NL exec. "Oh, I'm sure there's interest. But who wants to pay him $30 million a year when he's 40 or 41 years old? Nobody."

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Jay Z had dinner with some Mets executives Monday night to discuss free agent Robinson Cano.
And on and on and on. But then, finally, we found one NL official who had actually thought outside the box.

"I keep hearing there's no interest. I don't believe it," he said, flatly.

Well, guess what? Here at World Rumblings and Grumblings headquarters, we don't believe it, either. What we are witnessing is just a very unusual negotiation, mostly because the Yankees have done such a spectacular job so far of framing it to suit their own interests. (Imagine that.)

But that could change. And that will change. The winter is young. The starter's gates just opened. And sooner or later, there will be teams, other than the usual suspect, chasing Robinson Cano. How can there not be?

So who, you ask? Which teams, you ask? We'll get to that shortly. But first, a couple of observations:

Of course he's worth it: Already, a fascinating narrative has welled up around Cano. Namely, that he's not that good. Or something like that. Well, let's keep that in perspective. He's not Mike Trout. He's not Miguel Cabrera. And it's true that he hasn't proved he's the ratings or attendance magnet for the Yankees that, say, Derek Jeter is. But …

He's not that good? Really? Cano is one of only four players in the game who have been worth more than five wins above replacement in each of the past four seasons. (The others: Cabrera, Joey Votto and Adrian Beltre.) And one of just four who have been worth at least 6.8 WAR in each of the past two seasons. (The others: Cabrera, Trout and Andrew McCutchen.)

Cano and Cabrera are the only two players in the sport who have slugged .500-plus for five straight seasons. And how many other second basemen in the 162-game-schedule era have played at least 155 games seven years in a row? Not a one. So let's not forget this is a great, and durable, player we're talking about.

This negotiation is all mixed up: Doesn't it seem as if the world knows way more than usual about where each side stands, so early on? We know already, thanks to the always-active leakers out there, that the Yankees offered this guy "about" $168 million over seven years. We know already that Cano's side asked last summer for $310 million over 10 years. We even know, thanks to reports flying all over New York this week, that Cano "hasn't budged" from that price.

Well, hold on. Would it even be possible for Cano, Jay Z and their representatives at CAA to move off what was clearly an early, keep-me-off-the-market-if-you'd-like-to-overpay-me kind of offer, if the two sides haven't met or negotiated since then? Just asking. But the play-by-play of this thing obscures the truth: Neither of those numbers was ever intended to be The Offer That Gets This Done. So keep that in mind. All right?

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Right now, it appears Robinson Cano and the Yankees are still far apart in dollars.
But having those figures make the rounds has served a purpose -- at least for the Yankees: It narrows the field. It sends a bunch of teams sprinting in the other direction. So instantly, this is no longer your normal free-agent feeding frenzy. Instead of a bunch of teams checking in to see what it might take and then getting caught up in the chase, this negotiation feels as if it's started with a bunch of teams checking out.

"It means that what he's going to get is probably not going to be market-driven," said one AL executive. "If you had a situation where everyone remained objective and everyone played it smart and you had teams that thought they could sign Robinson Cano for $120 million, you'd probably have five or six teams in on it. Then you'd set $120 million as the starting point and start the bidding, and see how much higher it gets.

"But that's not how this has worked. It would be a good business-school study, to study the finances of marketing somebody like that. It's almost like you're starting out by making the market more exclusive. So all those teams willing to spend $120 million don't apply because they think this is headed for a different stratosphere. It feels like it defies business logic."

Well, it doesn't defy the Yankees' business logic. We'll say that. It's working just fine for them. So it seems as if it's up to Cano's side to draw several of those teams back in. And we still think that's doable.

Why? Simple. This is, without question, the best player on this market. And not only that. Unless the Dodgers don't find a way to extend Hanley Ramirez, there won't be a position player on next winter's market who can approach Robinson Cano, either.

And so, said the NL official quoted earlier, "at some point, don't the teams that are chasing [Shin-Soo] Choo and [Jacoby] Ellsbury and [Brian] McCann have to say, 'Wait a second. Cano's a much better player than those guys. So shouldn't we be thinking about spending another $2 [million] or 3 million a year on a guy like that?' And at that point, I think the market will actually develop later, before teams start writing somebody like Ellsbury a check."

Could be. Which brings us back to the $310 million question: Which teams?

The honest answer is: It's too soon to say. But we've surveyed a bunch of agents and club officials about which teams have the money and/or the need -- either to shore up second base, to make a thunderous splash for their ticket-buyers or, at the very least, to get to hang out with Jay Z and Beyonce in the owners' box. So here are some prime candidates:

Texas Rangers

No team was nominated as a Cano suitor more than the Rangers, even though the trade of Ian Kinsler appeared, on the surface, to open up second base for Jurickson Profar. But the Rangers still need offense. And they especially need more left-handed thump, even with Prince Fielder. But to add Cano to their bat collection, the Rangers would have to strike quickly and aggressively, because it would have to be part of a trilogy of moves. The first part was trading Kinsler. The second would be dealing either Elvis Andrus or Jurickson Profar (including a scenario that could, theoretically, include trading Profar and more for David Price). And the third would be filling Cano's pockets. So they're one-third of the way there. But the longer it drags on, the trickier it gets to make all the machinations work together. "It's a lot to do," said one agent. "I think it's too much."

Seattle Mariners

There's no doubt the Mariners are going to be major players in this market. They're trying to sign two bats, a starting pitcher and a closer. And they're signaling that they're ready to overpay if they have to. But one position they haven't been shopping for is second base, with Nick Franklin showing enough promise that they've already moved their former second baseman of the future, Dustin Ackley, to the outfield. So "I'm sure they could do it," said another agent. "But would it make any sense?"

Los Angeles Dodgers

Can we ever count the Dodgers out of any negotiation like this? Granted, they're not acting as if they're interested. Heck, Magic Johnson all but announced publicly last month that Cano won't be getting his zillions from them. And they did just sign a mega-talented Cuban second baseman, Alex Guerrero, to a four-year, $28 million contract. But "isn't there at least a chance the Dodgers are playing possum?" wondered one exec. "He's perfect for them. He's a massive name. It's a position of need. I don't really think Alex Guerrero would stop them from signing this guy if they really wanted him. So would it shock anyone if they had a one-day meeting and boom-boom-boom, he's signed?" Hmmm. Surprise? Yes. Shock? Not really.

Washington Nationals

Remember, the Nationals dream big, win-the-World Series dreams. And they have numerous dollars in the checking account to blow up the headlines with a move like this. But like the Rangers, the Nationals would have to do some maneuvering of their current infielders to make Cano fit -- shifting Anthony Rendon from second to third, moving Ryan Zimmerman from third to first and trading Adam LaRoche. And then there's the question other teams keep asking: Would they really risk frazzling their mutually beneficial relationship with Scott Boras by handing over $200 million or so to a player represented by his new archenemy, Jay Z? "I just can't see them doing that," said one exec. "It would be like sleeping with your best friend's wife."

Or how about …

• Detroit Tigers: They don't need a second baseman anymore. But they have freed up a lot of money. And there has long been talk, even in Texas, about Kinsler moving off second base, maybe even to play left field. So if the Tigers can't use their newfound financial flexibility to get an extension done with Max Scherzer, could Cano still fall under their anything-is-possible scenarios?

• Baltimore Orioles: Here's a team that still does need a second baseman. But the O's are acting as if they don't have the payroll room to do anything this humongous.

• Toronto Blue Jays: Another club with a need for a second baseman. But team policy wouldn't allow them to go seven or eight years for Cano or anyone else.

• San Francisco Giants: Marco Scutaro can play positions other than second base. But as one agent put it, "their style is to overpay their own guys, not someone else's guys."

• Los Angeles Angels: In theory, you could argue they could do this, even though they already have four players scheduled to make $20 million-plus in 2016. But they need pitching. And how's that whole make-the-biggest-signing-of-the-winter thing been working out for them?

• Chicago Cubs: Maybe if Cano were younger, or the Cubs were further along. But realistically, they're a year or two away from these sorts of moves.

• Kansas City Royals: Desperate to add a proven bat at second base. But are they this desperate?

• Chicago White Sox: No big-market team has cleared as much money off the books as the White Sox. And they're certainly not locked into Gordon Beckham for life. But 200 to 300 million bucks for Robinson Cano? "I don't think that's their business model anymore," said one agent.

• New York Mets: Hey, they did meet with Cano and his star-studded entourage. That's more than the Yankees have done lately.

You can easily convince yourself that any of those teams would or wouldn't have a reason to make a big run at Robinson Cano. We have no doubt a few of them will. Then again, we also have no doubt the Yankees will do a masterful job of working the market, applying pressure to Cano and reminding him that he needs the Yankees as much as they need him.

Maybe, in the end, this will turn out to be just a one-team negotiation after all. But never forget this: Cano, Jay Z, Beyonce and their friends at CAA have 300 million reasons to make sure it isn't.[/article]
 
Lots of action recently

Ellsbury to the Yankees(7/153)
Fister traded to the Nationals
Jim Johnson traded to the A's
Nathan to the Tigers(2/20)
Kazmir to the A's(2/22)
Saltalamacchia to the Marlins. THE MARLINS! (3/21)
Pierzynski to the Red Sox(1/8.25)
Three way trade sending Heath Bell and Hanigan to the Rays


Exciting stuff
 
The Yankees are obviously giving up on Cano.

Ellsbury and McCann is a lot of money.
 
They have the cap space, but I would be surprised if he actually ends up there.

I would imagine they send him a decent offer in the 175M-200M range, and then either the Yankees, or another more relevant team(Nationals?) offer either the same or a bit more, and he picks the more relevant option.

Was absolutely thrilled with the Prince Fielder move though, as I own him in my Dynasty league, and those power numbers should surge quite a bit.

Also very happy with the Jim Johnson move, as I own Darren O'Day and Tommy Hunter in that league, and there's a decent chance one of those two will be the closer on opening day.
 
Clearly Cano was trying to pressure the Yankees into increasing the offer, but I don't get the impression he really wants to go elsewhere. Why would anyone go to the Mariners right now ?

Jay-Z's first big client might be paying for a big miscalculation by his agency.

And the Yankees are talking with Kelly Johnson who might be a short term fill in at second.

I wonder if Cano can go back cap in hand to the Yankees and take whatever is on offer

Still waiting for my Jays to so something - we were linked with a move for Kemp during the winter meetings.
 
I expect two more big moves by the Rangers.

Fielder was a good pick up ...

I can see us trading Profar for another big arm ... and I think Cano may be in the cards.
 
I wish I understood this shit, I'd quite like to start following Baseball. It seems to be better than american football.

I'll have to locate a dummies guide.
 
[article]One source told ESPNdeportes.com's Enrique Rojas that the Mariners are willing to offer upwards of $240 million for Cano. There was no confirmation of the amount.

Meanwhile, the New York Yankees are growing increasingly resigned to the likelihood of a future without Cano.

Sources familiar with the club's thinking told ESPNNewYork.com that the Yankees believe the Mariners are about to offer Cano a nine-year, $225 million contract -- well below Cano's reported demand of $310 million over 10 years but significantly higher than New York's offer in the range of $175 million over seven years.

"If that's what the [Mariners'] offer is, he's gone," said a source, who added that he believed Cano would go to the highest bidder and that the Yankees were determined not to go higher than seven years or $175 million for their team leader in batting average (.314), home runs (27) and RBIs (107) in 2013.[/article]
 
I can't see them giving up Profar .

The history of these mega contracts isn't good
 
Cano(10/240) Mariners
Granderson(4/60) Mets
Feldman(3/30) Astros

Feldman and Cano are awful contracts for me, Cano's numbers are going to suck at Safeco, and Feldman isn't very good.

On another note @LeTallecWiz, looks like the Rangers acquired Arencibia. That's a fantastic move for me, his power numbers will play up tremendously in Arlington.

Interesting to see how the Yankees look to fill out the keystone, but Brandon Phillips and Howie Kendrick are two good options. Phillips is the best fit I think, as he has a decent sized contract tied to him. Kelly Johnson isn't a long term solution, surely.

One other note is that the Yankees now have money to spend, so don't be surprised if they're competing for every FA on the market. Prices are only going to go higher.
 
How much do the Yankees really have ?

And if they want to stay under the luxury tax ,their budget is dependent on A-Rod's ban sticking isn't it ?

Who are you team Whirly ?
 
Really ?

He must be fucked, he's always been one of the toughest competitors in the game.

Glad he got the recognition his greatness deserved before he finished.
 
The Hall of Fame is a bit of a joke at this stage. The voting is crazy.

It's a history museum - if it's not willing to acknowledge a large part of the history of the game then what function does it serve ?
 
How much do the Yankees really have ?

And if they want to stay under the luxury tax ,their budget is dependent on A-Rod's ban sticking isn't it ?


Sherman over at the New York Post tracks this

$170.058 million

CC Sabathia ($24.4 million)
Mark Teixeira ($22.5 million)
Jacoby Ellsbury ($21.857 million)
Brian McCann ($17 million)
Hiroki Kuroda ($16.085 million)
Carlos Beltran ($15 million)
Derek Jeter ($12.81 million)
Ichiro Suzuki ($6.5 million)
Brett Gardner ($5.6 million)
David Robertson ($5.215 million)
Alfonso Soriano ($4 million)
Matt Thornton ($3.5 million)
Ivan Nova ($3.3 million)
Alex Rodriguez ($3.156 million)
Kelly Johnson ($3 million)
Brian Roberts ($2 million)
Shawn Kelley ($1.765 million)
Brendan Ryan ($1.67 million)
Francisco Cervelli ($700,000)
 
They have roughly 19M to fill two rotation spots, which is probably doable.

I imagine they try to get a backloaded deal for Tanaka considering they only have Kuroda on a one year deal, and then likely try to swap an OF for a 5th starter. I don't know what their depth looks like, but Pineda and Banuelos should be available again soonish?
 
Pineda and Banuelos are the great unknowns, but one of them should contend for the 5th starter spot.

The infield though, yucks.
 
Masahiro Tanaka has decided to sign with the New York Yankees, a source confirmed to ESPN's Buster Olney.

Tanaka's deal with the Yankees is worth $155 million over seven years and includes an opt-out clause after the fourth year, according to the source.
 
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