Meh-lan Jovanovic
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Babel and Jovanovic are similar type of players. They have their talent and weakness, but i think we are not using them right.
So it's hard to criticize a lot. Milan Jovanovic at least tries, thats something i can't say for Babel.
But they are both no good a winger/ wide midfielder. That much is certain. It's the same as what happened with Carra and ENgland. Carra was not capable as left back or right back at that level, and that was the only role he got. So most non-liverpool fan thinks he is a very over-rated player. You can't keep shoving a role that they can't do well in and then criticize them for not doing well.
I think they would play better in a different team.
So it's hard to criticize a lot. Milan Jovanovic at least tries, thats something i can't say for Babel.
But they are both no good a winger/ wide midfielder. That much is certain. It's the same as what happened with Carra and ENgland. Carra was not capable as left back or right back at that level, and that was the only role he got. So most non-liverpool fan thinks he is a very over-rated player. You can't keep shoving a role that they can't do well in and then criticize them for not doing well.
I think they would play better in a different team.
I think he'd do quite well somewhere like the Belgium league.
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Word going around is he is on $70,000 a week. That cant be true
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Hes a very rich businessman outside of football anyway, he plays football just for kicks.
Word going around is he is on $70,000 a week. That cant be true
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Hes a very rich businessman outside of football anyway, he plays football just for kicks.
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[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=42592.msg1211937#msg1211937 date=1288935730]
Word going around is he is on $70,000 a week. That cant be true
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Hes a very rich businessman outside of football anyway, he plays football just for kicks.
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I see what you did there.
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Word going around is he is on $70,000 a week. That cant be true
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Hes a very rich businessman outside of football anyway, he plays football just for kicks.
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I see what you did there.
One of a number of signings that were a total waste of time this summer.
Yossi out, Cole in.
Riera out, Jovanovic in.
Mascherano out, Poulsen in.
There's not a single one there that represents an improvement, and that was obvious at the time. Jovanovic was one of those types of signings which Liverpool has made in huge numbers of late, made more for accounting reasons (deferred payments via wages rather than any significant transfer fee), which have to be quite clever to work, and will almost never involve a player who has unrealized potential.
3 players in who, barring the normal fluctuations in form, will never be more than they are now.
Yea, I know, there were extenuating circumstances for many of these.
Yossi out, Cole in.
Riera out, Jovanovic in.
Mascherano out, Poulsen in.
There's not a single one there that represents an improvement, and that was obvious at the time. Jovanovic was one of those types of signings which Liverpool has made in huge numbers of late, made more for accounting reasons (deferred payments via wages rather than any significant transfer fee), which have to be quite clever to work, and will almost never involve a player who has unrealized potential.
3 players in who, barring the normal fluctuations in form, will never be more than they are now.
Yea, I know, there were extenuating circumstances for many of these.
Its much too early to give up on new aquisitions and Joe Cole remains a very high quality player, better than the one he has replaced, and who I'm confident will prove his worth.
Bosmans generally do have higher wages though
Joe Cole's been at LFC for a matter of months, as opposed to the years Yossi spent here (without setting the world alight, I might add). I liked Yossi and would rather have kept him had that been possible, but these comparisons are WAY previous.
To answer Ryan's question, one thing Jovanovic does have is physical power. In his earliest games for us he occasionally went on a barrelling run or two through the middle scattering defenders like they weren't there. I'd like to see him given a try either as Torres' stand-in or alongside him, taking the battle to opposing CBs and clearing a path for the main man.
To answer Ryan's question, one thing Jovanovic does have is physical power. In his earliest games for us he occasionally went on a barrelling run or two through the middle scattering defenders like they weren't there. I'd like to see him given a try either as Torres' stand-in or alongside him, taking the battle to opposing CBs and clearing a path for the main man.
He's no slouch on the ball, he's a big strong lad and he's got an eye for goal.
So I'm not entirely sure why someone who's been a forward in some way shape or form for the entirety of his career is now a wide man.
We can't expect every forward to be a dirk.
Give him a chance up top,what's the worst that can happen?
So I'm not entirely sure why someone who's been a forward in some way shape or form for the entirety of his career is now a wide man.
We can't expect every forward to be a dirk.
Give him a chance up top,what's the worst that can happen?
Well, TBF he does sometimes play wide left for his country (and - I think - did so for Standard), but he hasn't shown himself up to the job in that position over here, whereas he might be as the stand-in for Torres which we've needed for so long. So, as you say, what could we lose by trying?
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the_khl
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He hit a few good crosses last night and showed his pace on occasions but I'm affraid he's never going to be anyhting but a fart in the wind for us.
A pacy fart I might add.
A pacy fart I might add.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42592.msg1212058#msg1212058 date=1288949764]
Yeah let's play him up front. He definitely looks like he's got goals just waiting to pour out of him but is being held back because of his left wing position.
My hole.
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He doesn't have to be better than Torres. He just has to be better than N'gog.
I don't see what the problem is to try and find out.
Are you suggesting buying players and then playing them out of position without giving a chance and denounce them as failures when they don't do well?
Yeah let's play him up front. He definitely looks like he's got goals just waiting to pour out of him but is being held back because of his left wing position.
My hole.
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He doesn't have to be better than Torres. He just has to be better than N'gog.
I don't see what the problem is to try and find out.
Are you suggesting buying players and then playing them out of position without giving a chance and denounce them as failures when they don't do well?
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42592.msg1212058#msg1212058 date=1288949764]
Yeah let's play him up front. He definitely looks like he's got goals just waiting to pour out of him but is being held back because of his left wing position.
My hole.
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He doesn't have to be better than Torres. He just has to be better than N'gog.
I don't see what the problem is to try and find out.
Are you suggesting buying players and then playing them out of position without giving a chance and denounce them as failures when they don't do well?
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I don't think he looks better than N'Gog, the one thing you can say about the young lad is that he's willing to learn and is developing the ability to hold the ball up well and show some good game intelligence at times, Jova just looks fucking shit.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42592.msg1212058#msg1212058 date=1288949764]
Yeah let's play him up front. He definitely looks like he's got goals just waiting to pour out of him but is being held back because of his left wing position.
My hole.
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He doesn't have to be better than Torres. He just has to be better than N'gog.
I don't see what the problem is to try and find out.
Are you suggesting buying players and then playing them out of position without giving a chance and denounce them as failures when they don't do well?
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I don't think he looks better than N'Gog, the one thing you can say about the young lad is that he's willing to learn and is developing the ability to hold the ball up well and show some good game intelligence at times, Jova just looks fucking shit.
He got a standing ovation from the Kop after the Arsenal game first day of the season. I thought we had a player on our hands. Strong, mobile, willing and able. He has struggled to get into any game he has featured in since. Micah Richards gave him a horrible time away to city aswel.
I find it funny that Roy complained that he couldn't try out 4-4-2 at training due to a lack of strikers. FFS, why not try Jova there, Babel, Pacecho, N'gog, Kuyt (before he was injured) Eccelstone etc.
I find it funny that Roy complained that he couldn't try out 4-4-2 at training due to a lack of strikers. FFS, why not try Jova there, Babel, Pacecho, N'gog, Kuyt (before he was injured) Eccelstone etc.
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Squiggles
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I'm still a bit of a fan.
He's smart, strong and quite pacey. He's just not getting involved enough for me.
He's smart, strong and quite pacey. He's just not getting involved enough for me.
I think his attitude is good and as everyone has said he's fast and has skill. Like some players he may only blossom after a season or two in England. Unless you're Lucas, you don't tend to get that long at Liverpool.
May be he is shit, but i have in no way seen anything on the pitch to suggest that Jovanovic is going to be worse than N'gog as a striker.
He has had very little time and he has played as a winger when he did get on the pitch. I don't see how anyone can claim that he is shit as a striker already.....in spite of claiming he is willing, has a good touch and is strong on the ball and fast. I have not seen anything from Jovanovic that suggests he is unwilling to learn either. He is a Forward by trade, lets judge him when he plays there at least once.
He has had very little time and he has played as a winger when he did get on the pitch. I don't see how anyone can claim that he is shit as a striker already.....in spite of claiming he is willing, has a good touch and is strong on the ball and fast. I have not seen anything from Jovanovic that suggests he is unwilling to learn either. He is a Forward by trade, lets judge him when he plays there at least once.
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Julian - he isn't better than n'gog though.
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I'm not able to make that call yet, mate. So i'll just have to wait a while to probably agree with you.
Julian - he isn't better than n'gog though.
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I'm not able to make that call yet, mate. So i'll just have to wait a while to probably agree with you.
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the_khl
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My main error of concern with regards to playing him upfront is his apparent lack of a good first touch. When you play as a striker you'll often find yourself with your back towards their goal and as such you'll need to do make the best of your first touch.
N'Gog's first touch is better than Jovas even at this stage albeit it can improve too.
N'Gog's first touch is better than Jovas even at this stage albeit it can improve too.
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My main error of concern with regards to playing him upfront is his apparent lack of a good first touch. When you play as a striker you'll often find yourself with your back towards their goal and as such you'll need to do make the best of your first touch.
N'Gog's first touch is better than Jovas even at this stage albeit it can improve too.
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Yeah that's one thing I've noticed, he's very hit and miss in that regard, same goes for his control aswell when on the ball. Jury is still well out and no way were Madrid in for him.
My main error of concern with regards to playing him upfront is his apparent lack of a good first touch. When you play as a striker you'll often find yourself with your back towards their goal and as such you'll need to do make the best of your first touch.
N'Gog's first touch is better than Jovas even at this stage albeit it can improve too.
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Yeah that's one thing I've noticed, he's very hit and miss in that regard, same goes for his control aswell when on the ball. Jury is still well out and no way were Madrid in for him.
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