Mascher suspended for FOUR matches
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Aqua needs to get back asap.
Untilo then it will be Stevie and Lucas in the middle with Yossi in the hole
Untilo then it will be Stevie and Lucas in the middle with Yossi in the hole
I know he's been one of our best players, but part of me thinks we might benefit from Rafa losing the option of playing TWO defensive midfield players, surely without Mascher he have to play one defensive midfielder and Aquillani or Gerrard alongside.
How many Premier league sides or top European sides play week in, week out with two defensive players in central midfield?
No wonder we can't score, there's hardly ever anyone in the box when we get wide and I know Torres is the best striker probably in the world and Ngog didn't do too badly whilst Torres was out but there's only so much any player can do when there's so little support.
The only reason I can see for playing both Mascher and Lucas is that Rafa sees Lucas as Maschers replacement should he leave for Barca and he wants to play him so he can improve and learn from Mascher, and yes, he has improved but at what cost?
He changed Carra over to the other side of defence too, something which does seemed to of unsettled them. Is that not forward planning for when Carra takes on the Hyppia role as his career starts to wind down in the next few years?
So it begs the question, why, when we came so close last season, has Rafa sent them out in such a way that is never going to bring us the title this season? It seems to be that he is trying to cushion us for when we lose Mascher and Carra starts to take his place on the bench more and more.
As for Aquillani, he seems the sort of player who will sprint from one box to another, and will do the defensive duties as well as attack; exactly what we have been lacking at times. I know this requires a high level of fitness and he did tire quickly against Fiorentina but honestly, any idiot could have him up to some degree of fitness to take the field in probably 3-4 weeks at worst (from when he had returned to training), so why wait 7 and then find out he still isn't up to it?
I am normally quite defensive about Rafa being sacked, mainly because of the question of who do you get to replace him, however after losing to the bottom of the table, being 13 points off where we should be and not making a single bit of progress despite most first choice players being fit and available I don't see we have much choice. I honestly don't know who I'd want to replace him but we'll have a far greater problem of replacing him in summer with a world class manager if we don't make fourth place and look like a beaten side even when we get a goal ahead in matches.
It's not enough any more to say we won the Champions league in his first season, took us back to the final and nearly won us the league last year. No Liverpool fan should be happy with that! Not in 5 years! This season what do we have to look forward to? Maybe fourth spot and a run in the FA cup? We're so bad at the moment we're not even seeded for the Europa league!
We have the players to get us there, but no direction, no confidence, no belief, no tactics, no leadership and ultimately no chance of fourth spot (if we continue in this direction) let alone winning the league!
How many Premier league sides or top European sides play week in, week out with two defensive players in central midfield?
No wonder we can't score, there's hardly ever anyone in the box when we get wide and I know Torres is the best striker probably in the world and Ngog didn't do too badly whilst Torres was out but there's only so much any player can do when there's so little support.
The only reason I can see for playing both Mascher and Lucas is that Rafa sees Lucas as Maschers replacement should he leave for Barca and he wants to play him so he can improve and learn from Mascher, and yes, he has improved but at what cost?
He changed Carra over to the other side of defence too, something which does seemed to of unsettled them. Is that not forward planning for when Carra takes on the Hyppia role as his career starts to wind down in the next few years?
So it begs the question, why, when we came so close last season, has Rafa sent them out in such a way that is never going to bring us the title this season? It seems to be that he is trying to cushion us for when we lose Mascher and Carra starts to take his place on the bench more and more.
As for Aquillani, he seems the sort of player who will sprint from one box to another, and will do the defensive duties as well as attack; exactly what we have been lacking at times. I know this requires a high level of fitness and he did tire quickly against Fiorentina but honestly, any idiot could have him up to some degree of fitness to take the field in probably 3-4 weeks at worst (from when he had returned to training), so why wait 7 and then find out he still isn't up to it?
I am normally quite defensive about Rafa being sacked, mainly because of the question of who do you get to replace him, however after losing to the bottom of the table, being 13 points off where we should be and not making a single bit of progress despite most first choice players being fit and available I don't see we have much choice. I honestly don't know who I'd want to replace him but we'll have a far greater problem of replacing him in summer with a world class manager if we don't make fourth place and look like a beaten side even when we get a goal ahead in matches.
It's not enough any more to say we won the Champions league in his first season, took us back to the final and nearly won us the league last year. No Liverpool fan should be happy with that! Not in 5 years! This season what do we have to look forward to? Maybe fourth spot and a run in the FA cup? We're so bad at the moment we're not even seeded for the Europa league!
We have the players to get us there, but no direction, no confidence, no belief, no tactics, no leadership and ultimately no chance of fourth spot (if we continue in this direction) let alone winning the league!
Nice intro there.
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I know he's been one of our best players, but part of me thinks we might benefit from Rafa losing the option of playing TWO defensive midfield players, surely without Mascher he have to play one defensive midfielder and Aquillani or Gerrard alongside.
How many Premier league sides or top European sides play week in, week out with two defensive players in central midfield?
No wonder we can't score, there's hardly ever anyone in the box when we get wide and I know Torres is the best striker probably in the world and Ngog didn't do too badly whilst Torres was out but there's only so much any player can do when there's so little support.
The only reason I can see for playing both Mascher and Lucas is that Rafa sees Lucas as Maschers replacement should he leave for Barca and he wants to play him so he can improve and learn from Mascher, and yes, he has improved but at what cost?
He changed Carra over to the other side of defence too, something which does seemed to of unsettled them. Is that not forward planning for when Carra takes on the Hyppia role as his career starts to wind down in the next few years?
So it begs the question, why, when we came so close last season, has Rafa sent them out in such a way that is never going to bring us the title this season? It seems to be that he is trying to cushion us for when we lose Mascher and Carra starts to take his place on the bench more and more.
As for Aquillani, he seems the sort of player who will sprint from one box to another, and will do the defensive duties as well as attack; exactly what we have been lacking at times. I know this requires a high level of fitness and he did tire quickly against Fiorentina but honestly, any idiot could have him up to some degree of fitness to take the field in probably 3-4 weeks at worst (from when he had returned to training), so why wait 7 and then find out he still isn't up to it?
I am normally quite defensive about Rafa being sacked, mainly because of the question of who do you get to replace him, however after losing to the bottom of the table, being 13 points off where we should be and not making a single bit of progress despite most first choice players being fit and available I don't see we have much choice. I honestly don't know who I'd want to replace him but we'll have a far greater problem of replacing him in summer with a world class manager if we don't make fourth place and look like a beaten side even when we get a goal ahead in matches.
It's not enough any more to say we won the Champions league in his first season, took us back to the final and nearly won us the league last year. No Liverpool fan should be happy with that! Not in 5 years! This season what do we have to look forward to? Maybe fourth spot and a run in the FA cup? We're so bad at the moment we're not even seeded for the Europa league!
We have the players to get us there, but no direction, no confidence, no belief, no tactics, no leadership and ultimately no chance of fourth spot (if we continue in this direction) let alone winning the league!
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Begone balanced poster, this is a place for nutters and apologists only.
Welcome by the way.
I know he's been one of our best players, but part of me thinks we might benefit from Rafa losing the option of playing TWO defensive midfield players, surely without Mascher he have to play one defensive midfielder and Aquillani or Gerrard alongside.
How many Premier league sides or top European sides play week in, week out with two defensive players in central midfield?
No wonder we can't score, there's hardly ever anyone in the box when we get wide and I know Torres is the best striker probably in the world and Ngog didn't do too badly whilst Torres was out but there's only so much any player can do when there's so little support.
The only reason I can see for playing both Mascher and Lucas is that Rafa sees Lucas as Maschers replacement should he leave for Barca and he wants to play him so he can improve and learn from Mascher, and yes, he has improved but at what cost?
He changed Carra over to the other side of defence too, something which does seemed to of unsettled them. Is that not forward planning for when Carra takes on the Hyppia role as his career starts to wind down in the next few years?
So it begs the question, why, when we came so close last season, has Rafa sent them out in such a way that is never going to bring us the title this season? It seems to be that he is trying to cushion us for when we lose Mascher and Carra starts to take his place on the bench more and more.
As for Aquillani, he seems the sort of player who will sprint from one box to another, and will do the defensive duties as well as attack; exactly what we have been lacking at times. I know this requires a high level of fitness and he did tire quickly against Fiorentina but honestly, any idiot could have him up to some degree of fitness to take the field in probably 3-4 weeks at worst (from when he had returned to training), so why wait 7 and then find out he still isn't up to it?
I am normally quite defensive about Rafa being sacked, mainly because of the question of who do you get to replace him, however after losing to the bottom of the table, being 13 points off where we should be and not making a single bit of progress despite most first choice players being fit and available I don't see we have much choice. I honestly don't know who I'd want to replace him but we'll have a far greater problem of replacing him in summer with a world class manager if we don't make fourth place and look like a beaten side even when we get a goal ahead in matches.
It's not enough any more to say we won the Champions league in his first season, took us back to the final and nearly won us the league last year. No Liverpool fan should be happy with that! Not in 5 years! This season what do we have to look forward to? Maybe fourth spot and a run in the FA cup? We're so bad at the moment we're not even seeded for the Europa league!
We have the players to get us there, but no direction, no confidence, no belief, no tactics, no leadership and ultimately no chance of fourth spot (if we continue in this direction) let alone winning the league!
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Begone balanced poster, this is a place for nutters and apologists only.
Welcome by the way.
he wpu;dn't have been sent off if that little cunt Mihcael Brown wasn't acting the hard man shouting at a player who was injured on the ground...
Brown is indeed a truly nasty, horrible twat
He fucking quietened down when Carra came up to him...He's a little shithead, who knows that he's a little shithead and tries to get over it by acting the hard man.....
and he has shit hair...
and he has shit hair...
I think it was a sending off myself but if hes going by the letter why didnt he send off the pompey player who dived in with studs showing just before HT. Just gave him a yellow
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I think it was a sending off myself but if hes going by the letter why didnt he send off the pompey player who dived in with studs showing just before HT. Just gave him a yellow
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Agreed. I had no quarrel with the Mascher decision but the same standard should have been applied in both cases.
I think it was a sending off myself but if hes going by the letter why didnt he send off the pompey player who dived in with studs showing just before HT. Just gave him a yellow
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Agreed. I had no quarrel with the Mascher decision but the same standard should have been applied in both cases.
So, has he played his last game for the club?
If his knee is damaged, we might end up keeping him until the summer.
If his knee is damaged, we might end up keeping him until the summer.
Liverpool confirm Javier Mascherano knee injury
Javier Mascherano will use his four-match ban to recover from a knee injury after Liverpool confirmed that he has a medial ligament sprain.
The midfielder injured himself and was then red-carded following a reckless challenge on Portsmouth's Tal Ben-Haim in the 2-0 defeat at Fratton Park.
He will miss the games against Wolves, Aston Villa, the FA Cup tie with Reading, and Tottenham on January 10.
But club officials suspect he would have been out for that long anyway.
"The player had a scan which confirmed the medical team's initial diagnosis that he suffered a medial ligament sprain in his left knee," a club spokesman told Liverpool's website.
"He is expected to be sidelined for two to three weeks," he added.
The Argentina captain was handed an automatic four-game ban because he had already served a suspension this season.
Javier Mascherano will use his four-match ban to recover from a knee injury after Liverpool confirmed that he has a medial ligament sprain.
The midfielder injured himself and was then red-carded following a reckless challenge on Portsmouth's Tal Ben-Haim in the 2-0 defeat at Fratton Park.
He will miss the games against Wolves, Aston Villa, the FA Cup tie with Reading, and Tottenham on January 10.
But club officials suspect he would have been out for that long anyway.
"The player had a scan which confirmed the medical team's initial diagnosis that he suffered a medial ligament sprain in his left knee," a club spokesman told Liverpool's website.
"He is expected to be sidelined for two to three weeks," he added.
The Argentina captain was handed an automatic four-game ban because he had already served a suspension this season.
I thought the FA had the authority to delay the ban until he was fit enough to serve it?
At least it saves Rafa subbing him...
Medial strains hurt.
I thought the sending off was crap. i thought the whole game was shambles and that cunt of a ref kept on slowing down the game and looked keen to wind the players up.
I thought the sending off was crap. i thought the whole game was shambles and that cunt of a ref kept on slowing down the game and looked keen to wind the players up.
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