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Lucas faces up to his detractors

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LeTallecWiz

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I think this is Kuyt Mark II, but with a far less able player and it will continue to ensure a central midfield partnership which provides little, to no, attacking help ...

Article from footy365.com:

Liverpool midfielder Lucas Leiva believes he will never win over all of his detractors as he prepares himself for another daunting challenge in the 212th Merseyside derby.

Last season the Brazilian was sent off at Everton in an FA Cup replay defeat, a run of three league and cup games in 17 days between the two clubs in which Liverpool failed to achieve a victory.

It was not the best of times for the 22-year-old as he suffered abuse and criticism from all quarters.

But manager Rafael Benitez has stood by him, and in a season that has seen Liverpool lurch from one crisis to another, Lucas has established himself in the side and started to win grudging praise from his critics.

Lucas says: "I am trying to improve all the time and I am feeling good on the pitch. I have improved a lot since last season and hopefully I will keep going.

"But things might always be more difficult for me at Liverpool, to be honest, but I am trying to prove I can do well for myself and my team-mates. The real supporters of Liverpool know this and support me a lot."

Lucas has been linked with a possible move away from Anfield in the next transfer window, but Benitez has constantly praised the youngster's attitude and effort and intends to persevere with a player who is expected to be in Brazil's squad for the summer World Cup finals in South Africa.

That is a measure of his improvement, and the player adds: "When I came to Liverpool I came with a challenge of winning titles and making history for the club. Hopefully I can still do that.

"I am playing almost every game now. I have a good link with Javier Mascherano. I understand the way he plays and he helps me a lot. I think it's good for the team that we can keep the balance."

Liverpool find themselves facing their local rivals after plunging out of the Champions League despite the scrappy 1-0 group E victory in Hungary against Debrecen.

That leaves Lucas and co facing life - with Everton - in the Europa League.

He went on: "We have to move on. We did not do enough to get to the next stage of the Champions League, and so now we have to concentrate on the Europa League and getting into a better position domestically. "We will try to win the Europa League because it is still an important competition. Some good teams play in it but we will be trying to get a title for ourselves."

But first Liverpool need to re-assert themselves in the Premier League as the pressure to oust them from the big four grows.

Benitez said: "We know that three points is crucial for everyone considering the position both clubs find themselves in.

"I will try to send the players out with the right message, to be calm, to do our jobs properly and not to be overcome just by passion, we have to do the right things regardless of the opponents.

"But this derby will not be any more aggressive than before, it does not matter where the two teams are or what their form is, the derby is always played the same way.

"It is good for the city. Everyone has to defend and support their own team, but afterwards we all have great respect for our rivals.

"The game has more passion and more emotion than others in the Premier League. But that never changes."

He added: "But it is not just about winning the derby, our players want to prove they are good enough. To prove we can be in the top four.

"We have to start winning, then we will see a massive difference. Being in the top four is the main objective now.

"It will be high tempo, more physical with a lot of direct play. We know this and hopefully it will be good for the fans to experience, especially our fans."
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37501.msg1000780#msg1000780 date=1259430867]
*seethes*
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"The real supporters of Liverpool know this and support me a lot."

CUNT
 
Look, the media interview just about everyone these days, ask them stupid questions and most of the players do their best to be polite and helpful and then get on with their work. So it's the turn of Lucas - so what? Talk about going around looking for something to get uppitty about! Why bother to start these threads?
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=37501.msg1000770#msg1000770 date=1259429873]
I think this is Kuyt Mark II, but with a far less able player and it will continue to ensure a central midfield partnership which provides little, to no, attacking help ...
[/quote]

I have to pull you up on this - Kuyt was borught in, initially, as a striker and in his first season scored a reasonable 12 EPL goals including a belter against United. He was, in that season, our best striker and won a lot of admirers.

How does this equate with Lucas?
 
I see. I see when he is talking about his improvment, and playing every game, balance to the team etc etc all the positive things are "I am, I know, I I I". But then when he talks about being shit in the champions league suddenly its all "We have to move on, we must do this we are... we we".

Could it be that he's a spineless waste of fail. Could that be why?
 
[quote author=Dee link=topic=37501.msg1000925#msg1000925 date=1259452410]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=37501.msg1000770#msg1000770 date=1259429873]
I think this is Kuyt Mark II, but with a far less able player and it will continue to ensure a central midfield partnership which provides little, to no, attacking help ...
[/quote]

I have to pull you up on this - Kuyt was borught in, initially, as a striker and in his first season scored a reasonable 12 EPL goals including a belter against United. He was, in that season, our best striker and won a lot of admirers.

How does this equate with Lucas?
[/quote]

Well, the real supporters know Lucas' quality. End of.
 
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=37501.msg1000935#msg1000935 date=1259453723]
I see. I see when he is talking about his improvment, and playing every game, balance to the team etc etc all the positive things are "I am, I know, I I I". But then when he talks about being shit in the champions league suddenly its all "We have to move on, we must do this we are... we we".

Could it be that he's a spineless waste of fail. Could that be why?

[/quote]

Err... No.

He was asked about his personal situation at Liverpool, how supporters have been reacting to HIM, etc. Then he answered a question or two regarding the CL exit, and you could imagine how stupid one would sound should he have started saying, 'I got knocked out of the CL, I must do better. I don't know about the others, but I must move on'.
The length some people go to to discredit something/someone is frankly staggering.
 
[quote author=Dee link=topic=37501.msg1000925#msg1000925 date=1259452410]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=37501.msg1000770#msg1000770 date=1259429873]
I think this is Kuyt Mark II, but with a far less able player and it will continue to ensure a central midfield partnership which provides little, to no, attacking help ...
[/quote]

I have to pull you up on this - Kuyt was borught in, initially, as a striker and in his first season scored a reasonable 12 EPL goals including a belter against United. He was, in that season, our best striker and won a lot of admirers.

How does this equate with Lucas?[/quote]

Kuyt's 1st year wasn't really a problem ...

It's the 2nd year, where he was mostly shit and was never dropped. And his 3rd year, where he was shit for 3-4 months and wasn't dropped. And now, where he's been shit for 1-2 months and he hasn't been dropped. Now, the Kuyt Mark II comment was more due to Rafa's undying support for him - which seems to be the issue with Lucas, and the reason Aquilani is seeing so little time.
 
LTW.

I really don't think Lucas is in any way the reason why Aquilani hasn't seen much pitch time so far ..... once he gets in, and the physio & Rafa are not so concerned with his old injuries / fitness level, then I'm sure he'll be a fixture and Lucas will return to the bench.
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=37501.msg1001008#msg1001008 date=1259480817]
LTW.

I really don't think Lucas is in any way the reason why Aquilani hasn't seen much pitch time so far
[/quote]

Rafa has said that he's got two central midfielders playing really well ... I don't remember if he said 'nothing needs changing,' but surely seems to be what I see as the reason why a player who had a very strong 10 minute debut against Arsenal can't see more than 30 seconds against a Pub team in Hungary (sorry Debrechen).
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=37501.msg1001011#msg1001011 date=1259482426]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=37501.msg1001008#msg1001008 date=1259480817]
LTW.

I really don't think Lucas is in any way the reason why Aquilani hasn't seen much pitch time so far
[/quote]

Rafa has said that he's got two central midfielders playing really well ... I don't remember if he said 'nothing needs changing,' but surely seems to be what I see as the reason why a player who had a very strong 10 minute debut against Arsenal can't see more than 30 seconds against a Pub team in Hungary (sorry Debrechen).
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Rafa is going to introduce him to the team when he feels it will have the best effect both for him and the team. Clearly though he will get introduced and given a good run once integrated.
 
Great, integrated after our season is already over

Which it is. In November

Well done Lucarse, well done Benitez, well done everyone
 
[quote author=juniormember link=topic=37501.msg1000988#msg1000988 date=1259464613]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=37501.msg1000935#msg1000935 date=1259453723]
I see. I see when he is talking about his improvment, and playing every game, balance to the team etc etc all the positive things are "I am, I know, I I I". But then when he talks about being shit in the champions league suddenly its all "We have to move on, we must do this we are... we we".

Could it be that he's a spineless waste of fail. Could that be why?

[/quote]

Err... No.

He was asked about his personal situation at Liverpool, how supporters have been reacting to HIM, etc. Then he answered a question or two regarding the CL exit, and you could imagine how stupid one would sound should he have started saying, 'I got knocked out of the CL, I must do better. I don't know about the others, but I must move on'.
The length some people go to to discredit something/someone is frankly staggering.
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Quite. The disingenuousness is so blatant it's laughable. If the manager doesn't admit his team is shite and the season looks bleak, he's denounced as if he's a raving loon. If a player gets asked if there's anything to play for and he doesn't say 'cause not, we're doomed,' he's denounced, too. It's utterly twisted and serves no purpose other than to feed certain prejudices in the laziest of ways.
 
[quote author=juniormember link=topic=37501.msg1000988#msg1000988 date=1259464613]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=37501.msg1000935#msg1000935 date=1259453723]
I see. I see when he is talking about his improvment, and playing every game, balance to the team etc etc all the positive things are "I am, I know, I I I". But then when he talks about being shit in the champions league suddenly its all "We have to move on, we must do this we are... we we".

Could it be that he's a spineless waste of fail. Could that be why?

[/quote]

Err... No.

He was asked about his personal situation at Liverpool, how supporters have been reacting to HIM, etc. Then he answered a question or two regarding the CL exit, and you could imagine how stupid one would sound should he have started saying, 'I got knocked out of the CL, I must do better. I don't know about the others, but I must move on'.
The length some people go to to discredit something/someone is frankly staggering.
[/quote]


nevermind we just look at things differently
 
[quote author=Biggus Dickus link=topic=37501.msg1001012#msg1001012 date=1259482774]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=37501.msg1001011#msg1001011 date=1259482426]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=37501.msg1001008#msg1001008 date=1259480817]
LTW.

I really don't think Lucas is in any way the reason why Aquilani hasn't seen much pitch time so far
[/quote]

Rafa has said that he's got two central midfielders playing really well ... I don't remember if he said 'nothing needs changing,' but surely seems to be what I see as the reason why a player who had a very strong 10 minute debut against Arsenal can't see more than 30 seconds against a Pub team in Hungary (sorry Debrechen).
[/quote]


Rafa is going to introduce him to the team when he feels it will have the best effect both for him and the team. Clearly though he will get introduced and given a good run once integrated.
[/quote]

What's our record over the past 11 games? You don't think a 20-30 minute run out (unless they're hiding something from us, be it injuries or some other issue) in any of the games would have had a good, or positive, 'effect both for him and the team'
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37501.msg1001101#msg1001101 date=1259494349]
Great, integrated after our season is already over

Which it is. In November

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You need to look at the bigger picture Brendan. Rafa thinks Aquiliani is soooo good, he's prepared to write this season off cos he's going to be fucking aces from next season onwards. Honest.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37501.msg1001107#msg1001107 date=1259495008]
The only thing I want to hear Lucas saying is 'I am leaving Liverpool Football Club'
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I don't think we should sell him because we don't have hte money to replace his position (should be the 4th CM) with anything better - I don't rate him as a starter but it's not worth selling him.
 
A bit of hindsight is all what was needed with Lucas. If we'd have bottled his placental DNA at birth, we'd have made a fortune off the fucker selling it on to other sportsmen and women. Fitness 100% guaranteed.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=37501.msg1001106#msg1001106 date=1259494947]
[quote author=Biggus Dickus link=topic=37501.msg1001012#msg1001012 date=1259482774]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=37501.msg1001011#msg1001011 date=1259482426]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=37501.msg1001008#msg1001008 date=1259480817]
LTW.

I really don't think Lucas is in any way the reason why Aquilani hasn't seen much pitch time so far
[/quote]

Rafa has said that he's got two central midfielders playing really well ... I don't remember if he said 'nothing needs changing,' but surely seems to be what I see as the reason why a player who had a very strong 10 minute debut against Arsenal can't see more than 30 seconds against a Pub team in Hungary (sorry Debrechen).
[/quote]


Rafa is going to introduce him to the team when he feels it will have the best effect both for him and the team. Clearly though he will get introduced and given a good run once integrated.
[/quote]

What's our record over the past 11 games? You don't think a 20-30 minute run out (unless they're hiding something from us, be it injuries or some other issue) in any of the games would have had a good, or positive, 'effect both for him and the team'
[/quote]

If he was ready I would have but I don't know if he is or not. I don't feel comfortable slagging a manager for his selctions when he is privy to so much more information. Oh and he probably has a bit more of clue regardless.
 
Lucas was fucking *monstered* by that twat-haired neanderthal Fellaini today

He did *fuck all* yet again, the horrible, useless twat
 
Yes Lucas was dominated by that pube headed twat.

I wish this post was called 'Lucas faces up to a tractor' that id pay to see.

Just kidding I dont really wish him to be killed by a tractor.
 
rafa was asked post match when do we expect to see aquilani ? he replied that both gerrard and masch were playing well so no need to risk him in a tough derby game. lucas was not mentioned meaning ????
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37501.msg1001739#msg1001739 date=1259512408]
A tractor could easily kill him, because it would be faster
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Stop being a cunt, he had a good second half today and put it in where it hurt for the cause. Him and Masher offer fuck all going forward though, and yeah, I realise Masher scored.
 
dic's accountants placed him in the liability column when doing the due diligence exercise and ended up not buying us .(good thing as they are deep in the red now )
 
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