Loaned out players who were good enough to stay?
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Actually most of the time when you loan players out, you naturally hope they'll do well - either to return as a better player or increase their value for resale/permanent move. It just that for us, it'd more or less been a way to 'get rid' of players from the squad - perhaps in no small part due to the sheer size of the playing staff size. Those loaned out virtually leave on a free subsequently - either due to contract expiring or mutual consent. Mavinga's contract for instance, only has a yr to go so if he stays on at KRC Genk for another season, he'll probably leave on a bosman straight after.
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Ooooooooh......let meeeeee seeeeeeee nooooow.
Who was that wee Spanish lad ?
His name is on the tip of my tongue.
Peacho Pactho, something.
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Yeah well I kinda meant those who've gone to big teams etc.
Ooooooooh......let meeeeee seeeeeeee nooooow.
Who was that wee Spanish lad ?
His name is on the tip of my tongue.
Peacho Pactho, something.
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Yeah well I kinda meant those who've gone to big teams etc.
Mikel San Jose is a regular starter with Athletic Bilbao, who are 6th in the La Liga. He's started 30 games for them this season.
An article here discussing his arrival and sale:
http://live4liverpool.com/2010/05/view-from-the-kop/shame-to-see-mikel-go-but-it-shows-the-way-forward
An article here discussing his arrival and sale:
http://live4liverpool.com/2010/05/view-from-the-kop/shame-to-see-mikel-go-but-it-shows-the-way-forward
The fact that they've done well elsewhere doesn't necessarily mean that they were good enough to stay here, or that it would have made sense to keep them even if they were.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=45439.msg1336467#msg1336467 date=1305909533]
The fact that they've done well elsewhere doesn't necessarily mean that they were good enough to stay here, or that it would have made sense to keep them even if they were.
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True but we'll never really know, would we?
What if Tottenham never sold Taarabt or Man U kept Pique and Rossi?
Alou Diarra went on to become a regular in the french national team and won a couple of titles with Lyon and Bordeux.
The fact that they've done well elsewhere doesn't necessarily mean that they were good enough to stay here, or that it would have made sense to keep them even if they were.
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True but we'll never really know, would we?
What if Tottenham never sold Taarabt or Man U kept Pique and Rossi?
Alou Diarra went on to become a regular in the french national team and won a couple of titles with Lyon and Bordeux.
Its a cycle thing isn't it? If not for the loan, the likes of Diarra wouldn't have gotten the required matches and experiences to showcase their talent or improve. It gets recycled back to the question of what the intention to loan out the player was for? To simply move him out/put him on the transfer window or in view of progress and future integration back to the team.
We tend to loan players back to their country whereas our youngsters who went out on loan seldom feature regularly or normally went to the lower leagues. Those who were loaned out usually have very short duration left on their contract too, allowing them to basically leave for nominal/no fee the season after the loan. It seemed that the moment they were loaned out, they were written off. Haven't thought of anyone who was loaned out with 'purpose' and then let go off wrongly. Thus, don't really think anyone could fall into the 'mistakenly loaned out' players category. If there really were players under such category, I'd say its the likes of Hamill, Anderson and Hobbs. Yet they haven't 'turned out to be good for another team' (of our 'size') yet. 😛
We tend to loan players back to their country whereas our youngsters who went out on loan seldom feature regularly or normally went to the lower leagues. Those who were loaned out usually have very short duration left on their contract too, allowing them to basically leave for nominal/no fee the season after the loan. It seemed that the moment they were loaned out, they were written off. Haven't thought of anyone who was loaned out with 'purpose' and then let go off wrongly. Thus, don't really think anyone could fall into the 'mistakenly loaned out' players category. If there really were players under such category, I'd say its the likes of Hamill, Anderson and Hobbs. Yet they haven't 'turned out to be good for another team' (of our 'size') yet. 😛
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45439.msg1336487#msg1336487 date=1305911980]
The only players I can think of who were loaned out and then brought back to Liverpool because they impressed during their loan-spells are Kelly and Danny Murphy.
At least they're the ones who made an instant impact in the team.
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Yeah, I was pretty glad that we're finally showing signs of making the loan system work to our advantage. Starting with Ayala's loan to Championship instead of La Liga to Pacheco's, although Eccleston and Amoo's one were last successful.
The only players I can think of who were loaned out and then brought back to Liverpool because they impressed during their loan-spells are Kelly and Danny Murphy.
At least they're the ones who made an instant impact in the team.
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Yeah, I was pretty glad that we're finally showing signs of making the loan system work to our advantage. Starting with Ayala's loan to Championship instead of La Liga to Pacheco's, although Eccleston and Amoo's one were last successful.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45439.msg1336487#msg1336487 date=1305911980]
The only players I can think of who were loaned out and then brought back to Liverpool because they impressed during their loan-spells are Kelly and Danny Murphy.
At least they're the ones who made an instant impact in the team.
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Its true, there haven't been many. Warnock was another one though, and Traore - though it was debatable whether we should have brought him back really!
It was slightly different with Murphy I think. He was essentially told he could go and was sent back to Crewe on loan, which kinda gave him the boot up the arse he needed. He altered his attitude, worked a bit harder and obviously impressed Houllier enough to give him one more chance.
The only players I can think of who were loaned out and then brought back to Liverpool because they impressed during their loan-spells are Kelly and Danny Murphy.
At least they're the ones who made an instant impact in the team.
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Its true, there haven't been many. Warnock was another one though, and Traore - though it was debatable whether we should have brought him back really!
It was slightly different with Murphy I think. He was essentially told he could go and was sent back to Crewe on loan, which kinda gave him the boot up the arse he needed. He altered his attitude, worked a bit harder and obviously impressed Houllier enough to give him one more chance.
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Mikel San Jose is a regular starter with Athletic Bilbao, who are 6th in the La Liga. He's started 30 games for them this season.
An article here discussing his arrival and sale:
http://live4liverpool.com/2010/05/view-from-the-kop/shame-to-see-mikel-go-but-it-shows-the-way-forward
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Mikel San Jose is a player I would've liked to see at Liverpool. He seems to be better than Ayala.
Mikel San Jose is a regular starter with Athletic Bilbao, who are 6th in the La Liga. He's started 30 games for them this season.
An article here discussing his arrival and sale:
http://live4liverpool.com/2010/05/view-from-the-kop/shame-to-see-mikel-go-but-it-shows-the-way-forward
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Mikel San Jose is a player I would've liked to see at Liverpool. He seems to be better than Ayala.
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