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Liverpool need time, not change

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Club insiders and Anfield regulars know that Brendan Rodgers's work is only just beginning, writes Iain Macintosh.

There’s no way to hide it. You can’t dress it up and you can’t layer it in misleading pass completion rates. Liverpool are having another miserable season.

It’s three years since they last played a Champions League game, they can’t hope to afford or attract the continent’s top players and they just had their pants pulled down at Anfield by Aston Villa. But that is no reason to demand, as some have, for the head of the manager. The last thing that club needs now is more upheaval.

When Liverpool fans were criticised for losing patience with Roy Hodgson so quickly, they hit back by claiming that they could put up with the results, if only the football wasn’t so bad. In the stadium, at least, those supporters have proved their point.

"It’s easy to dismiss message boards, radio phone-ins and social networks as noisy irrelevances, but they have a cumulative effect."


Liverpool have exactly the same number of points after 17 games under Brendan Rodgers as they did under Hodgson and there has been little in the way of mass dissent. It’s the fans who don’t go to games who appear to be causing the problems.

It’s easy to dismiss message boards, radio phone-ins and social networks as noisy irrelevances, but they have a cumulative effect, especially on inexperienced owners like John W Henry.

Kenny Dalglish may have had a disappointing league season, but to dismiss him after just one full campaign, and the first trophy in six years, was hasty. The flood of furious tweets, calls and emails from outside the city and around the world surely played a part.

"Speak to the fans who watch the team live and they’ll tell you of the improvement in the team’s style of play."


Speak to people at the club and you’ll hear a different story. Academy boss Frank McParland told me recently that Rodgers was "a dream appointment" because of his passion for youth football and his insistence that his players, "played with the same characteristics as the first team.

"He wants the boys to be comfortable in possession, he wants them to be comfortable with both feet, he wants them to be extremely hard workers when they haven’t got the ball".

Speak to the fans who watch the team live and they’ll tell you of the improvement in the team’s style of play, in their mentality and of the gradual improvements in individuals, notably Jordan Henderson.

"If certain people had their way, Rodgers would be clearing his desk."


Rodgers is laying down a template for the future. He needs to be given rather more than four months to see it through.

If certain people had their way, Rodgers would be clearing his desk. But that would leave Liverpool looking for their fifth manager in two and a half years. That’s a churn rate that makes Chelsea look like a job for life.

There are genuine areas for concern at Liverpool: the incoherent transfer policy and the continued absence of a stadium solution, to name just two.

On the pitch, however, what the club really needs now is stability and quiet progression. Hysterical calls for change are really not going to help.
 
I agree with the gist of that.

I thought sacking Kenny was a hasty decision too, and we will only make a bad situation worse if we sack Rodgers now. We need to be committed.
 
So......pretty much what we've been told at the start of the season still applies?

I thought sacking Kenny was a bit hasty too, and if we were to sack Rodgers, I think we'd look an even bigger joke than we already do. Going through managers as often as we are doing isn't going to help us. It might work for Chelsea, but that's because they're fucking loaded, and they have a lot more quality in their squad. Rodgers needs more time. How much, I'm not exactly sure, but he also needs to be grinding out more results. I'm definitely not expecting miracles, but the more results he grinds out, the more time he will buy himself.
 
So......pretty much what we've been told at the start of the season still applies?

I thought sacking Kenny was a bit hasty too, and if we were to sack Rodgers, I think we'd look an even bigger joke than we already do. Going through managers as often as we are doing isn't going to help us. It might work for Chelsea, but that's because they're fucking loaded, and they have a lot more quality in their squad. Rodgers needs more time. How much, I'm not exactly sure, but he also needs to be grinding out more results. I'm definitely not expecting miracles, but the more results he grinds out, the more time he will buy himself.

I think that's a fair summary Neil.
 
So......pretty much what we've been told at the start of the season still applies?

I thought sacking Kenny was a bit hasty too, and if we were to sack Rodgers, I think we'd look an even bigger joke than we already do. Going through managers as often as we are doing isn't going to help us. It might work for Chelsea, but that's because they're fucking loaded, and they have a lot more quality in their squad. Rodgers needs more time. How much, I'm not exactly sure, but he also needs to be grinding out more results. I'm definitely not expecting miracles, but the more results he grinds out, the more time he will buy himself.

I agree with all of that except that we didn't sack Kenny too hastily, we sacked him too late. In fact, he shouldn't have ever been sacked. He should have been employed specifically to stabilise things after the departure of Hodgson until the end of that season - a job he did well. He could have left with the satisfaction of having done a good job and a long-term successor could have been appointed a year sooner.
 
I was referring to Hansern, you touchy little poppet, but once again you seem to think you should speak for everyone.
 
I agree with all of that except that we didn't sack Kenny too hastily, we sacked him too late. In fact, he shouldn't have ever been sacked. He should have been employed specifically to stabilise things after the departure of Hodgson until the end of that season - a job he did well. He could have left with the satisfaction of having done a good job and a long-term successor could have been appointed a year sooner.
That's another way of looking at it I suppose.
 
I agree with all of that except that we didn't sack Kenny too hastily, we sacked him too late. In fact, he shouldn't have ever been sacked. He should have been employed specifically to stabilise things after the departure of Hodgson until the end of that season - a job he did well. He could have left with the satisfaction of having done a good job and a long-term successor could have been appointed a year sooner.
That's very well said. I think that was the intention at the beginning, but Kenny's initial success backed the owners into a corner. It would have been better all around if Kenny had left the first summer.
As for Rodgers, I think we have to give him time, especially in view of recent turnover. If, like macca, you view Rodgers as not up to the job, this must be a frustrating scenario.
 
guess there are two ways you could look at that article , the first being that it has some valid points but the second being that it's just a load of shite straight out of the "good football fan's handbook " .

Everyone knows that a good club is one with stability and that we've been all over the shop these last few yrs . But that doesn't mean we should now just stick with a manager , in this case rodgers , if he himself is not showing signs of progress and that he is up for the job . What if he's doing a terrible job ? Do you just stick with him because some football idealism says so ? and again before anyone gets their knickers in a twist , i am not saying "sack rodgers" or anything like that , i just think this notion that we have to stick with him because we fucked it up in the past is stupid. If he's not doing a good enough job and meeting targets , whatever they are , then i would have no hesitation dumping him .
 
As George Michael once observed, you've got to have faith. Or not. You've either got it or you haven't. There's not a rational grounding here so far for much more. That's why there's no real argument and so much sound and fury.
 
Rodgers has a pretty good track record. Everybody agrees that he did a fantastic job with Swansea. It seems to me that if we ditched Rogers, it's questionable whether we could replace him with anyone noticeably better. I don't think we should over-react to one bad home performance (in which we had over 70% of the play). It's a cliché that there are no easy games in the Premier League and even the best teams sometimes come a cropper. Remember last season United lost 6-1 at home to City.
 
Rodgers has a pretty good track record. Everybody agrees that he did a fantastic job with Swansea. It seems to me that if we ditched Rogers, it's questionable whether we could replace him with anyone noticeably better. I don't think we should over-react to one bad home performance (in which we had over 70% of the play). It's a cliché that there are no easy games in the Premier League and even the best teams sometimes come a cropper. Remember last season United lost 6-1 at home to City.


he did do a good job , but we're liverpool football club with entirely different aims , expectations and pressures . But apart from at swansea he hasn't done too much ( i don't care if he'e been coaching kids for 400 years ) so the question is still out there - should he have been given the job in the first place ? . Only time will tell .

And is he as good as everyone keeps banging on ? so far everything is theory and because he's young , british and talks the talk everyone wants to believe he is . Again , time will tell .
 
We had to tolerate Thatcher for 21 years.

We can at least put up with Rodgers longer than 4 months.
 
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