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Copy and pasted this from Betfair forum but the suggestion is it's from The Manchester Evening News....................

Manchester United and Liverpool fans plan to stun the football world by launching an 'unholy alliance' at Old Trafford next month.

In a move that until recently would have been unthinkable, United supporters and their Anfield rivals are set to put aside years of bitter hostility to launch a joint protest against their respective American owners.

M.E.N. Sport can reveal that talks between key fan groups from each side of the great divide have already taken place.

Plans to stage a joint show of strength at the March 21 game have been discussed but are still being finalised.

Any joint demonstration is expected take place in the ground with protest marches ruled out amid fears fans, unable to ignore the two club's historic differences, would clash.

Supporters of both clubs may be encouraged to join in chants and display banners sympathising with each's cause.

One source described the plans as "ground breaking."

He said: "There have been talks and certain groups from both sides are up for it.

"It just shows what state football in this country is in when two of its biggest rivals are talking about joining together."

How the proposals will be greeted by the majority of fans from both ends of the East Lancs Road is yet to be seen.

United's Green and Gold protest against the Glazer family has won grudging support among Liverpool followers upset with their own US owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

Whether or not the majority of both sets of supporters could stomach a coalition - even if it is only for one game - is unclear.

The source added: "It's a massively sensitive issue and whether it will happen at this match, I don't know.
 
Bad, bad idea. It'll just come across as a piece of kneejerk anti-Americanism, and the justified concerns which both sets of fans have about what's happening at their respective clubs will be at best lost and at worst discredited.
 
Not a chance. Even if it did it would easily be overcome by the occasion as well. Plus I want nothing to do with those lot down the East Lancs. In any shape or form.
 
I don't think making a stand in one of the biggest matches in world football is necessarily a bad idea, at least I can see the logic behind it. But the owners already know the fans rather they packed their bags, so I'm left wondering what's to gain from this?

Can't see it happening, however. Surely the Police would step in other health and safety concerns - from their point of view it would represent nothing more than an unnecessary risk, and they would have a point, too, but more importantly, the final say.
 
Am I the only one that thinks it's a great idea? I don't see what safety concerns there are - the article specifically says that it would just consist of chanting in unison, banners etc. The fact that we hate each other makes it all the more remarkable and newsworthy, and it has nothing to do with anti-Americanism. It's anti-destruction of our football clubs by what amounts to a virus of modern capitalism.

And if that makes me sound like a member of SoS, I don't care. I still think it's a brilliant idea.
 
The two groups couldn't be more unlike each other, forget the teams involved. The MUST have consistently shown they have a very good grasp on the situation at their club, are well organised and seem to know how to protest properly.

SOS could learn quite a bit from them, so in that respect it's good for them.

MUST are trying to make the finances of their club, and the Premier League, a political matter and something that will be on MP's minds come election time.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39009.msg1058236#msg1058236 date=1266872504]
Am I the only one that thinks it's a great idea? I don't see what safety concerns there are - the article specifically says that it would just consist of chanting in unison, banners etc. The fact that we hate each other makes it all the more remarkable and newsworthy, and it has nothing to do with anti-Americanism. It's anti-destruction of our football clubs by what amounts to a virus of modern capitalism.

And if that makes me sound like a member of SoS, I don't care. I still think it's a brilliant idea.

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I agree Bunny.
 
It's a terrible idea. The concept is pure pipe dream although admirable. There's too much water under the bridge for any kind of solidarity between the two sets of fans.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39009.msg1058251#msg1058251 date=1266873233]
There's too much water under the bridge for any kind of solidarity between the two sets of fans.
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Only between the dead heads who want a bit of a barney mate. As each year passes, football is being removed further from its grass roots and working class links. As much as I hate the Mancs, in reality I haven't got an issue with their 'normal' fans. One of our mates is a Utd season ticket holder after all. I doubt it would come off but I think it admirable that two of the games fiercest rivals are prepared to at least try something to claw things back.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39009.msg1058255#msg1058255 date=1266873544]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39009.msg1058251#msg1058251 date=1266873233]
There's too much water under the bridge for any kind of solidarity between the two sets of fans.
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Only between the dead heads who want a bit of a barney mate. As each year passes, football is being removed further from its grass roots and working class links. As much as I hate the Mancs, in reality I haven't got an issue with their 'normal' fans. One of our mates is a Utd season ticket holder after all. I doubt it would come off but I think it admirable that two of the games fiercest rivals are prepared to at least try something to claw things back.
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That's true enough. It would grab some headlines I'm sure. Just can't see it happening though. It's the dead heads who will disrupt it.
 
It may do a bit more than that Sunny.

UEFA have already got proposals to deal with the finanical side of football, if fans start to get at the Premier League to change it's ways we might see football given back to the fans.

I don't know if anyone knows much about the way the Bundesliga is run, but the majority of teams are 51% owned by fans (I think there are two exceptions) and there are rules in place for debt. The total debt in the league is less than Man United's debt. They've retained (modern, safer) terracing in some grounds and kept ticket prices low (half that of the Premier League) and the average attendance is greater than the Premier League's.

The problem is that the Premier League is too deep in the mire to able to sort the game out without knocking quite a few noses out of joint so it's unlikely to happen.

I'd like to see even more fans groups work together.
 
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=39009.msg1058422#msg1058422 date=1266891616]
I hate the mancs more than the yanks.
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Much as I hate to say it, I completely respect united as a team, Fergie as a manager, and we could learn a lot from how they run their club. Watching them of late, I've nothing but envy. Football wise it's different, but off the field, why not team up because those Leveraged Buyout basterds have put us in a horrible spot...

Mind you, I'm living in the US for 15 years so I don't have to deal with noxious united fans..
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=39009.msg1058424#msg1058424 date=1266893041]
Mind you, I'm living in the US for 15 years so I don't have to deal with noxious united fans..
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Oh no?
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39009.msg1058251#msg1058251 date=1266873233]
It's a terrible idea. The concept is pure pipe dream although admirable. There's too much water under the bridge for any kind of solidarity between the two sets of fans.
[/quote]

Sunny, in the first world war the British and German soldiers had an agreement where they deliberately missed each other with their guns. Why? Because, though fighting for countries whose enmity went back years, they were all basically in the same boat: working-class youngsters being exploited and slaughtered by middle-aged aristocrats who stayed safely at home. It might seem a bit of a stretch, but I think the analogy applies here. We don't have to like the Mancs to realise that we've got more in common with each other than either of us have with our owners. And if soldiers in the middle of an actual war can come to some kind of agreement, I don't see why football fans can't chant together for a few minutes before and after a match. It doesn't stop us taunting them when we win the game in the last minute and fuck up their title campaign.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39009.msg1058432#msg1058432 date=1266896894]
[quote author=localny link=topic=39009.msg1058424#msg1058424 date=1266893041]
Mind you, I'm living in the US for 15 years so I don't have to deal with noxious united fans..
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Oh no?
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He must not get out much.

The cockroaches are everywhere.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39009.msg1058236#msg1058236 date=1266872504]
Am I the only one that thinks it's a great idea? I don't see what safety concerns there are - the article specifically says that it would just consist of chanting in unison, banners etc. The fact that we hate each other makes it all the more remarkable and newsworthy, and it has nothing to do with anti-Americanism. It's anti-destruction of our football clubs by what amounts to a virus of modern capitalism.

And if that makes me sound like a member of SoS, I don't care. I still think it's a brilliant idea.

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Unusually for you, Bunny, that misses the point, which is that there's a real risk of it being seen and portrayed as such whether or not it happens to be true (though BTW I'm not as convinced as you that it wouldn't be true, of at least some of the participants) and hence discounted.

Nor am I as sanguine as you on the safety aspect. Whatever the advance publicity, there's always a risk that such things combust and turn nasty on the day. Goodness knows what THAT could turn into in this case.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39009.msg1058589#msg1058589 date=1266932920]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39009.msg1058236#msg1058236 date=1266872504]
Am I the only one that thinks it's a great idea? I don't see what safety concerns there are - the article specifically says that it would just consist of chanting in unison, banners etc. The fact that we hate each other makes it all the more remarkable and newsworthy, and it has nothing to do with anti-Americanism. It's anti-destruction of our football clubs by what amounts to a virus of modern capitalism.

And if that makes me sound like a member of SoS, I don't care. I still think it's a brilliant idea.

[/quote]

Unusually for you, Bunny, that misses the point, which is that there's a real risk of it being seen and portrayed as such whether or not it happens to be true (though BTW I'm not as convinced as you that it wouldn't be true, of at least some of the participants) and hence discounted.

Nor am I as sanguine as you on the safety aspect. Whatever the advance publicity, there's always a risk that such things combust and turn nasty on the day. Goodness knows what THAT could turn into in this case.
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I, like you am not convinced that a mass protest would be safe or beneficial. But a symbolic link-up or some coordination between the two groups (i.e. a protest in Manchester and a protest in Liverpool taking place at the same time with a representative of the other club at each event) may be of some benefit.
 
Liverpool-United matches can always 'combust and turn nasty'. I don't see why that should make a difference to the idea of making a protest together. Where is the safety concern in chanting the same words and waving the same banners?

I also don't think that the protests are generally portrayed in the media as being anti-American. Why should they be this time? Most journalists are well aware of the issues involved, and I'm pretty sure any coordinated protest between United and LFC fans would receive favourable (and a huge amount of) media coverage.

I genuinely don't understand all the negativity about this. Rosco's right: English football is on the brink of disaster, and the supporter backlash is growing. This could be a significant moment in bringing our football clubs back to their core support.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39009.msg1058492#msg1058492 date=1266917115]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39009.msg1058251#msg1058251 date=1266873233]
It's a terrible idea. The concept is pure pipe dream although admirable. There's too much water under the bridge for any kind of solidarity between the two sets of fans.
[/quote]

Sunny, in the first world war the British and German soldiers had an agreement where they deliberately missed each other with their guns. Why? Because, though fighting for countries whose enmity went back years, they were all basically in the same boat: working-class youngsters being exploited and slaughtered by middle-aged aristocrats who stayed safely at home. It might seem a bit of a stretch, but I think the analogy applies here. We don't have to like the Mancs to realise that we've got more in common with each other than either of us have with our owners. And if soldiers in the middle of an actual war can come to some kind of agreement, I don't see why football fans can't chant together for a few minutes before and after a match. It doesn't stop us taunting them when we win the game in the last minute and fuck up their title campaign.
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Great post mate. Although there is a slight difference. One, you're liable to die the other is footy rivalry. I get your point though - it's well made
 
I have never heard of this before, was this a signed agreement Bunny?
Could someone get sued if they shot someone by accident? 😉



regards
 
Nah, this was strictly prohibited of course.

Very similar to the Christmas incident; when the bigwigs found out what had happened they quickly took the men off the line and replaced them with fresh soldiers for butchering.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=39009.msg1060452#msg1060452 date=1267153930]

Nah, this was strictly prohibited of course.

Very similar to the Christmas incident; when the bigwigs found out what had happened they quickly took the men off the line and replaced them with fresh soldiers for butchering.
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'took the men off the line' would be a euphemism for jail or execution, I suppose?
 
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