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'LFC fansites unfair on Hodgson'

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TheBunnyman

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You're gonna love this: an Observer column by Paul Wilson, all about us...

Once upon a time, Liverpool used to enjoy a reputation, one their supporters would proudly boast about, for not being the sort of club to sack a manager – certainly not after a few months in the job. One or two incumbents in the last few years may have been eased in the direction of the exit door but only after several seasons, never as a knee-jerk reaction. Since Bill Shankly demonstrated the enormous benefits a simpatico manager could bring to the club if allowed to go about his business without interference, the Liverpool way has been to try to appoint the right man in the first place, then back him to the hilt.

Either we now live in less patient times or the above model of trust and reciprocity was based on Liverpool always being able to deliver a certain level of success. Six months into Roy Hodgson's tenure several Liverpool fan websites have joined forces to publish the news that in an online poll of more than 4,000 supporters 95% would like to see the manager sacked immediately. The reason? Hodgson is not considered to be "up to the task" of managing Liverpool.

There may be other reasons too. Hodgson was unwise enough recently to criticise websites for writing ridiculous things, which is a bit like moaning that the rain is wet, and unsurprisingly took a dim view of supporters chanting "Dalglish" during losing Liverpool performances. If Hodgson is rubbing his new public up the wrong way, the feeling is mutual – though that does not make him a bad manager or even a poor choice for the Anfield job. Hodgson's exploits with Fulham alone suggest the opposite, not to mention his travels around Europe.

Purists may have a point in saying he is trying to impose a regimented and overly direct style on the side but simplicity has never been a dirty word at Liverpool. It appears at least as likely that Hodgson finds himself a convenient scapegoat, an easy outlet for a whole set of terrace frustrations, from American ownership to dwindling interest in domestic titles and dropping out of the Champions League bracket.

Given that Dalglish has been out of management for more than a decade and was not taken seriously by the board when he put himself forward for the job in the summer, there is no guarantee the former hero could do anything to restore former glories more quickly. Indeed it is almost tempting to hope his supporters might get what they wish for, just to see whose name terrace loyalists would chant were Dalglish to take Liverpool into the bottom three, lose at home to Northampton or take a beating at Stoke.

But that would be unfair on Hodgson. Before running out of steam at Wigan, then losing at the Britannia, Liverpool had put together an impressive sequence of four straight wins, including results against Chelsea and Napoli. Most teams would be happy with that, even Chelsea these days, but it was clearly not enough to convince Liverpool fans that Hodgson has what it takes.

The feeling is growing that nothing short of leading Liverpool instantly back to the top of the league, which is not going to happen, is going to produce a happy ending for Hodgson here. At the moment he cannot do right for doing wrong. When he spoke bluntly about Glen Johnson, quite reasonably suggesting the full-back could do better, the player took offence and the manager was criticised for his handling of senior internationals, even though most people, including Johnson himself, eventually, could see he had a point.

Now Hodgson is attracting flak for failing to promote Dani Pacheco, a 19-year-old Spanish starlet, quickly enough. Not many people have seen enough of Pacheco to have an opinion on the matter: he has appeared in only a handful of games in three years since being lured from Barcelona and one of those was the dismal Carling Cup defeat against Northampton. Hodgson's view is that Pacheco is not quite ready but no sooner had a move back to Spain been mooted than the fans were complaining that all Rafa Benítez's good work was being undone.

Even though there was common consent at the start of the season that Liverpool had far too many players who were nowhere near the first team and the squad needed trimming, Hodgson's assessment of fringe players is being questioned. Hodgson says Pacheco had his chance against Northampton and failed to impress. His critics say the manager was naive to send out a raw teenager against a highly motivated lower-league side looking for an upset.

In the middle of all this, Hodgson cannot win. Liverpool are in the Europa League, as were Fulham last season, but there is not going to be another thrilling run to the final. Liverpool could easily reach the final but it will not be thrilling. The Europa League is a hollow consolation for a club of their stature. Liverpool would dearly love to be where today's opponents, Spurs, are: rampaging through the Champions League group stage, coming back from two goals down against Arsenal, keeping in touch with the league leaders and worrying their manager might leave for England.

They should, though, consider where Spurs have been these past 49 years: not winning the league; nowhere near the European Cup; not even an FA Cup final since Gazza was a lad. Spurs have had to be endlessly patient and for that reason it is hard to begrudge them their success. Exactly the opposite applies to Liverpool and their hard-to-please fans ought to realise it. Plenty of others have waited 20 years for a title too, without two European Cup finals, a Uefa Cup, three FA Cups, three League Cups and regular Champions League football in the meantime.

After almost half a century of feasting, Liverpool fans are having to put up with a small famine and everyone has to know about it. You do not have to be Hodgson to feel that a period of silence from them now would be appreciated.
 
"They should, though, consider where Spurs have been these past 49 years: not winning the league; nowhere near the European Cup; not even an FA Cup final since Gazza was a lad"

When was the last time Hodgson reached an FA Cup Final?

Stupid comment right there, Spurs are on the up, we're clearly struggling.
 
So we should be patient and then we would be more like Spurs, who, er, sacked their previous manager after a few months didn't they?
 
He's a woefully inadequate manager for a club of our stature and his record is nothing more than below average. Why morons like this tool who wrote this article think he's up to the job based on his "exploits with Fulham" and his "travels in Europe" baffles me. All the latter shows is that he's a journeyman that doesn't stay anywhere long and that's because he's NEVER successful, anywhere. Exploits with Fulham ? Let's not cloud the true fact that he had 39% win rate with the achievement of getting to the UEFA cup final. The fact is this - Roys win record throughout his career has been lame and never once exceeded 50%. His average win ratio throughout his career is 43% and that is woefully inadeqaute for someone who people wrongfully claim to be the "right man".

Roy can fuck off any time he likes as can this fuckwit who wrote this article. He's nothing but a bellend with an agenda.
 
maybe this guy should've considered just for a few seconds exactly why 95% of fans want him out, after the patient support given to both benitez and houllier in mixed early months at the club. it's the same fans - it's the manager who's different.
 
Redknapp is proof of what can happen with a good manager. He turned that team round straight away.

Roy just made us shite.
 
For all the comments about how brilliant Redknapp is, this is the same man that has won ONE cup in his whole career and left most of his clubs in financial meltdown.

Done a good job with Spurs, but he's a crook and wanker.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42954.msg1224693#msg1224693 date=1290941865]
I think Paul Wilson is a cunt.

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I think Paul Wilson is a hack trying to find a new angle with which to fill some column space.

I also have a theory that garbage like this is unfortunately more likely to appear in a left-leaning paper like "The Observer". I saw something similar in the "Grauniad" a week or two back, and I think they're starting to take this line because they see the rest of the press, which leans a lot more to the right, being uncomplimentary towards Roy and want to differentiate themselves from that.
 
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For all the comments about how brilliant Redknapp is, this is the same man that has won ONE cup in his whole career and left most of his clubs in financial meltdown.

Done a good job with Spurs, but he's a crook and wanker.
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i agree. his success with portsmouth looks a lot less impressive now it's clear that the club had to be driven to the point of bankruptcy to fund it.

there's no doubt he's done a good job at spurs, but really, with that squad he inherited - in the bottom 3 - the only way was up. let's see how they do now expectations are almost in line with the squad at his disposal; i say 'almost' because, really, if benitez and wenger were expected to challenge for the title and CL with their resources, then redknapp should be expected to do the same this season.
 
Be thankful that the team you support has been successful in the past, be patient with the professional you have in charge; especially as a fan you don't really know what you're talking about.

This seems to be the gist of that piece.

It beggars belief that Hodgson's track record is ignored by the writer and that a squad boasting numerous internationals should be content as cannon fodder for the likes of Spurs. All this set against the background of us waiting patiently for the coach to weave a magic that he has never been able to do before.

One day I'll awaken from this nightmare I'm sure.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42954.msg1224705#msg1224705 date=1290944143]
I think Paul Wilson is a hack trying to find a new angle with which to fill some column space.

I also have a theory that garbage like this is unfortunately more likely to appear in a left-leaning paper like "The Observer". I saw something similar in the "Grauniad" a week or two back, and I think they're starting to take this line because they see the rest of the press, which leans a lot more to the right, being uncomplimentary towards Roy and want to differentiate themselves from that.
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Your first point is undoubtedly true.

Your second point is pretty bizarre, and not very likely. Wilson's just an Everton-supporting football writer taking his chance (as he does quite often) to have a go at Liverpool and their supporters.
 
So 95% of Liverpool fans are wrong?

Knowing our history, is he really questioning our knowledge of the game and telling us that we know nothing?

So we are lucky for winning silverware and accept mediocrity?

Paul Wilson is a clueless cunt!
 
I think factors such as immediate predecessor and his achievements, coupled with the successor's own background plays a part in our perceptions/views as fans. This is something he clearly did not take into consideration.

Granted, we weren't in the best of state during the managerial change, but the club's achievement on the pitch over the past years haven't been diabolical. He hasn't taken over from Lawrie Sanchez. Meanwhile, Benitez arrived on the back of concrete successes with Valencia.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42954.msg1224733#msg1224733 date=1290949705]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42954.msg1224705#msg1224705 date=1290944143]
I think Paul Wilson is a hack trying to find a new angle with which to fill some column space.

I also have a theory that garbage like this is unfortunately more likely to appear in a left-leaning paper like "The Observer". I saw something similar in the "Grauniad" a week or two back, and I think they're starting to take this line because they see the rest of the press, which leans a lot more to the right, being uncomplimentary towards Roy and want to differentiate themselves from that.
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Your first point is undoubtedly true.

Your second point is pretty bizarre, and not very likely. Wilson's just an Everton-supporting football writer taking his chance (as he does quite often) to have a go at Liverpool and their supporters.
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Fair enough. I wasn't sure if you were actually saying Wilson's a bluenose or just having a pop at the guy.

My second para.is admittedly bizarre, but the coincidence of the "Grauniad" and now the "Observer" being silly enough to hoist the pro-Roy standard is a bit bizarre in itself.
 
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