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He'd be no real loss. I expect a more complete player given the price paid, but surely he deserves another season under the new coaches to prove himself.
We can't just ditch a player 12 months later and cut our losses. It becomes a very expensive process.
We can't just ditch a player 12 months later and cut our losses. It becomes a very expensive process.
I'd sell if we received a decent offer. I haven't been impressed by a single aspect of his game and he didn't seem to improve at all throughout last season. By all accounts the sevilla fans were happy to see him go as he tended to dive in unneccesarily and be caught out of position too often. Sound familiar. Not a patch on Flanagan and he's not even a left back. I think we can do a lot better than him.
Too early to give up on him. I'm sure some of the world's best full-backs also looked quite clueless defensively when they were at the same age. And some - like Marcelo - still do at times. Moreno seems like a good kid who is willing to learn and his speed is a real upside that makes it worthwhile to invest time and effort in his education.
Maybe but doesn't that mean you're hoping a coach who doesn't know how to defend can teach a full back who can't defend into someone who can defend. I thought two wrongs don't make a right.
Also going forward he's pretty useless too. Why bother putting so much effort into making someone who isn't good enough into someone who is when you can get better players without much effort. He wouldn't make the bench at any of the other top teams in the division.
Also going forward he's pretty useless too. Why bother putting so much effort into making someone who isn't good enough into someone who is when you can get better players without much effort. He wouldn't make the bench at any of the other top teams in the division.
Mr O'Driscoll and Mr McAllister will soon whip errant players into disciplined professionals.
Whilst this may be true just compare what we have seen from Moreno against an 18 year old Gomez's debut and Flanno's performances at LB.
Gomez looked head and shoulders above anything we've seen from Moreno, whilst offering no lesser threat going forwawrd, no wonder BR changed his mind after just 2 games on Tour and will include him in the 1st team squad. Moreno has slipped to #3 on that list for me and therefore one needs to wonder whether he's worth keeping at all. I do like him and his attitude though. Tough call on stay or go.
Same here really, I think him and Lovren could both go at the right price. There's not really alot to work with, he incredibly one footed, terrible positionally and not that great going forward.
Against a team Ryan could get a game for.
I've been as critical as anyone of Moreno, he's the modern fashionable, looks good on the ball but does fuck all type of full back.
He has a lot of the right attributes to be a good full back though. I think we ask too much of our fullbacks and put them under too much pressure to be pivotal in our attacks, and then expect them to be in the right place all the time when the attack breaks down - which is almost impossible.
If Moreno never got ahead of the ball when we have it, he'd have less to do to be in a position to help defensively and we'd be less vulnerable to a counter.
I suppose I'd rather see a change in full back use than a change in full backs.
I'm of the opinion if a full back bombs up, one of the cms drifts across to provide: 1) defensive cover, and 2)a pass backwards if the fb gets trapped
I'd normally associate this role with a DM, but considering we haven't played with one (or rather, a mobile one) for a good while, I think that's what causes the issue
But I am a bit thick with tactics like
Yeah, I kinda agree with both Rosco and Fabio too, but when he's asked to defend, he's pretty atrocious at it. It's not really the system that's let him down, most of the mistakes he's made have been inside our own box, that's not just positional naivety, it's naivety full stop. Same with Lovren.
I buy that the system doesn't help defenders, but those two have been their own worst enemies when asked to actually defend.
I buy that the system doesn't help defenders, but those two have been their own worst enemies when asked to actually defend.
Wouldnt sell him at that price, hes a decent prospect and he should get another season to prove himself. If we sell him then we definitely need another player because the only other options we have at left back are an 18 year old who has never played a competitive game in that position and a guy who hasnt played in 12 months and may not be able to play again until January
I've been critical of Moreno's defending, but let's be fair here: Gomez played against some sh*itkickers from Melbourne; Moreno has a couple of goals and assists from open play in the Premier League – not too bad for the debut season in a new country. How many goals and assists has Luke Shaw provided last season?
It wasn't about the opposition, it was about how he conducted himself in many areas off the pitch and situations (I also failed to mention 3 cracking cross field balls he made), some of the skills he displayed, and his positional sense, skills he displayed which have little to do with the quality of the opposition. He made one error in the half.
With Moreno those stats don't show his defensive errors (which is what he is in the team for) and poor positioning which in turn affects the CBs or midfield who have to try to cover, though I'll give you that our system plays a part in that.
He's young, puts in a great shift and may yet be trainable but let's not think Gomez is some youth player just taking the next step up just because of his age, his Championship games put him well beyond that.
The fact BR has done an about turn on sending Gomez out on loan and saying he'll get games pretty much tells us that he agrees, Gomez is real competition for Moreno.
I'm not sure it's that simple nowadays, Froggy, especially not when playing with wingbacks. I agree that FBs do need to be able to defend, and - by contrast with some on here - I might even agree that that should be their top priority, but I suspect the instructions from Rodgers to which Moreno was playing last season didn't reflect that view. Maybe they should have, but that's another discussion.
In any case, while accepting that Moreno made too many defensive errors last season I don't agree that that's the whole story regarding his defensive play. In some of his earlier games there was some good tackling to be seen from him and, as others have suggested, my take on it is that he suffered from last season's general defensive disorganisation. He wasn't the only one, after all.
I've taken that as a compliment.
Look, I completely agree with you on Moreno's defensive issues and actually I don't think our "system" is at fault – his defending was simply not up to the standard, end of story. I'm just saying it's impossible to judge a player without accounting for the level of the opposition. Gomez was much stronger and much quicker to every ball than the Brisbane full-back and winger and he looked quite dominant on his flank, that's good to see, but this doesn't really tell us how he's going to fare against Ivanovic and Willian or Zabaleta and Sterling.
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