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Klopps Player improvement record

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Dreambeliever

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After reading the transfer record thread I think Klopp has been far more impressive in terms of what he has done to our current squad.

If we break it down into groups he doesn't have too many negative affects.

Massive improvement

Lallana

Improvement

Lovren
Henderson
Stewart
Coutinho
Firmino
Origi
Milner


Stayed the same

Ming
Clyne
Lucas

Declined somewhat

Sturridge
Can


Declined massively

Moreno

If he continues this trend for the next 24 months we will be champions.
 
I still maintain, as Lallana has said himself, that Klopp is not responsible for an improvement as such, he's just played him consistently and he also suits Klopps style - Brendan fucked him up not playing him, bringing him off every game he started sitting on the bench for long periods and when he was played he was played here there and fucking everywhere. Klopp knows his onions he knows how to get the best out of players and he knows when he won't (with one notable exception)
 
Gary25 said:
Don't think Moreno has declined really. His level of shitness just became more apparent the more he has played.
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Agreed but I think his shiteness has been exposed to a greater degree in this set up.

End result though is we now have an expensive full back nobody wants.
 
Vlads Quiff said:
I still maintain, as Lallana has said himself, that Klopp is not responsible for an improvement as such, he's just played him consistently and he also suits Klopps style - Brendan fucked him up not playing him, bringing him off every game he started sitting on the bench for long periods and when he was played he was played here there and fucking everywhere. Klopp knows his onions he knows how to get the best out of players and he knows when he won't (with one notable exception)
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I think it's much more than just playing the lad more consistently. I recall Klopp saying something like he was chuffed when he arrived and realised he was getting to work with Lallana. He bigged him up and gave the lad some self belief. I also think Klopp's system has meant Lallana has to release the ball quicker and use it more intelligently. Lallana has always had bags of skill in his locker and under Klopp's system/methods he's kicked on in the way many of us expected or hoped he would when we bought him. I doubt Rogers fucked him up, I just don't think he brought the best out of him and to be fair, he probably deserved the amount of time he spent on his arse in the dugout because he really didn't seize his chances to claim that regular place. How many times have we been frustrated by him in the past, turning away from a player with consummate ease only to make a stupidly poor decision and concede possession? It is of course possible that under Klopps style, some of those "stupidly poor decisions" would be fantastically insightful because the players around him have a new found fluidity that suits him. I think I've just argued myself full circle so I'm off to bed.
 
Seriously don't give a shit - if this team loses to Man U in the next PL game - then they are all shit and really no improvement. Everything depends on how well they do because it is the only game for us in the league where the mental strength of our players along with their technical ability is fully tested. Lose that game and it means a downward curve for them.
 
I think Lallana would have flourished in the system that included Suarez, I think it suited him to a tee. But I think since we lost Suarez, as with losing any great player, we struggled for cohesion and an identity. Lallana stepped into a team that also immediately lost Sturridge too, take that combined talent away from any side, and most players would struggle.

As for the rest. The declines clearly include Sakho, who I thought looked increasingly erratic on the pitch last season, and was obviously increasingly erratic off it too. Is Stewart really an improvement? He played a bit under Rodgers and a bit under Klopp, neither have trusted him enough to play regularly and he's looked hit and miss for both.

Origi came in off a dreadful season in France, Rodgers did exactly what Klopp is currently doing to his own signing, Grujic (and what he's initially done to Klavan too). He went before he had a chance to start giving him a go. In fact, Klopp only gave him a go because he immediately lost Sturridge and Ings, and then later lost Beneke.

Lucas has finally reached a stage where the manager looks to have had the balls to let go, or at least spell it out to him that he's at best an emergency option, he's looked no better, probably worse in some instances. He's confirmed what most us have said for ages, under Klopp.

And don't give me bollocks about Klopp improving Milner, this is a lad who's just come from City and has been a consistent Premiership performer for years.

Henderson is performing pretty much at the level he was before his major injury. Coutinho has performed this well before, moreso in his first 18 months. Firmino was new to the country and had started to perform under Rodgers, before Klopp took over. He was in the middle of a period of adjustment, so I don't think his case can be argued either way.

Clyne has been hit and miss this season at times.

Lovren is the obvious improvement.
 
Yeah Milner is a bit of an odd shout. He's been one of the League's most consistent and reliable performers over the years.
 
Gary25 said:
Yeah Milner is a bit of an odd shout. He's been one of the League's most consistent and reliable performers over the years.
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Reliable and consistently good but rarely exceptional and never at LB. That was a massive call for Klopp and the fact we haven't rushed off to buy another LB shows how Milner has excelled in that position, not just playing well but has truly been one of our best performers over what has been an exceptional first half of the season for us.

Same could be said of Henderson. He is starting to accrue acclaim from all quarters in his DM position, he was never that before and never particularly lauded by non-lfc supporters. Again a big call from Klopp. Nobody has mentioned Wijnaldum - he's said himself that the position he plays now is a new position for him, yet Klopp and Co. envisioned and played him there from Day 1.

Of course we can talk about the massive improvement of the team as a team ... but that doesn't occur in a vacuum, it's down to improvement in the players too. If we want to talk about improvement then consider last Summer when most on here thought we needed anywhere from 5-7 new first team players, many in key positions. Do a poll now and I guess that may be 2-3. Incremental improvement is what we are looking at now, not a massive overhaul.
 
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Klopps a great manager but he took over from one who had completely lost his way and his marbles - We paid big bucks for Lallana and Lovren they were very good players before they came here - then , like it or not, they were very badly managed. Klopp as taken them back to the natural progression they should have had when they first arrived here - he's a brilliant manager of men and gave them back their self belief
 
Klopp has a decent track record for turning players from good to very good, or even great.

He is also known for changing players' positions and making them a success in a relatively new role.

He's done both at Anfield too, with Henderson, Lallana and Milner all doing very well in slightly different roles

Milner you could argue is very well known for being versatile, and has played fullback before, but while he's always been a consistently good player, I think most would agree he has been even better than anyone suspected at LB so far

Henderson is playing a very important role in the team in a deeper, more defensive role and nobody would change that now

And many of us thought Lallana could benefit from a slightly deeper role where more space and time on the ball would suit his playing style and meliorate his lack of pace when played higher up the pitch
 
Ming I think has at least improved his positioning he used to play as if he had a rope tying him to his goal line, he has definitely upped the sweeper keeper side of his game a lot. Not saying he shouldn't be replaced but fair play for the improvement.
 
tony said:
Ming I think has at least improved his positioning he used to play as if he had a rope tying him to his goal line, he has definitely upped the sweeper keeper side of his game a lot. Not saying he shouldn't be replaced but fair play for the improvement.
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Agreed. He's down as 'No Change' in the OP which is unfair since he's hardly put a glove wrong this season. Certainly not the case last.
 
Can "declined somewhat?" He has improved overal under Klopp IMO, a bad performance in the last game notwithstanding. He look lost under Rodgers with poor work-rate and no set position.
 
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