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Marginal gains.
Good idea IMHO. The number of times our players don't seem to know what to do with it. TAA is often about a second from getting a booking for time wasting when he's pondering who to throw the ball to. As with most things yesterday, we needed to do it quicker. So bring someone in if it helps. Why not?
There's a lad who plays for my son's U14 team who can throw the ball as far as the likes of Delap. It's quite scary the power he gets.
They had a match yesterday and went through a period of getting about 10 throw ins in 10 minutes on the edge of the opposition box. Problem was they were all on the right wing and he's a left back. He was done in legging it back and forth. In the end he said fuck off, some other fucker can take one.
They had a match yesterday and went through a period of getting about 10 throw ins in 10 minutes on the edge of the opposition box. Problem was they were all on the right wing and he's a left back. He was done in legging it back and forth. In the end he said fuck off, some other fucker can take one.
I always thought this was an under-appreciated way to gain an advantage and create chances. In theory one can direct a throw with more precision than a foot pass and the absence of offsides is a huge bonus. It was only a matter of time before big teams got really serious about throw-ins; glad we are trying to be on the cutting edge.
Personally don't see the fuss. It's hardly cutting edge, it's not sports science or medicine. Just get players to move quicker to find half a yard so thrower can give it to you. If losing in injury time and you have throw in deep in opposition half, get quick movement to find half a yard or give it to someone who can launch it into box.
I'm all for this. Seems like a great idea. There could be a massive advantage and it doesn't work out who fucking cares?
"His throw-ins alone are worth £10Mil"
It might not just be about the throw in taker but how the team responds to throw ins. Too often in attacking positions (at least on TAA's side) he waits until Firmino comes over as the rest are largely static. This might be unselfish from Firmino but it also means that we'e missing an attacker in the box or edge of the area which makes it harder to construct an attack quickly from the throw in.
I've been going on about throw ins for years at the match and I'm glad that at least they're trying to improve as we've been shit at them for years.
I've been going on about throw ins for years at the match and I'm glad that at least they're trying to improve as we've been shit at them for years.
Glen Johnson was terrible at throw ins as he was so indecisive he couldn't make up his mind who to throw it to and any momentum was lost as the opposition were all back in position by the time he bothered to throw it.
Liverpool’s new throw-in coach Thomas Gronnemark says the set piece can be a real weapon for the Reds if used effectively.
Gronnemark’s arrival has raised eyebrows, with many, including manager Jurgen Klopp, admitting they had never before come across an individual with the same job title.
TV pundit Andy Gray was critical of the appointment, questioning the need for a coach who focuses on a seemingly basic area.
“I know it is the weirdest job in the world,” Gronnemark told BBC Sport. “I am the world record holder [for the longest throw-in at more than 50 metres] and the world-leading expert, but I am not too big to make fun of myself.”
The 42-year-old explained that his work centres on the long throw, the fast throw and the clever throw. The first can be as effective as a corner-kick, while the second can catch out defences and the third can be crucial in high-pressure situations.
“I focus on everything you can imagine,” he said. “It is not just the technique of the throw, but how to receive it, how to make the right runs, the positioning, creating space.”
The Dane believes he can help Klopp’s men engineer scoring chances from the touchline and warned that conceding throw-ins against them could now prove perilous.
“In general against Liverpool I would not want to put the ball out for a throw-in,” he said. “I am not saying Liverpool will do a lot of long throw-ins, but you never know when they may do it.”
“If Liverpool score a goal or two from long throws that would be perfect for me,” said Gronnemark. “But even more so if it comes as a result of a fast throw or clever throw.”
Gronnemark’s arrival has raised eyebrows, with many, including manager Jurgen Klopp, admitting they had never before come across an individual with the same job title.
TV pundit Andy Gray was critical of the appointment, questioning the need for a coach who focuses on a seemingly basic area.
“I know it is the weirdest job in the world,” Gronnemark told BBC Sport. “I am the world record holder [for the longest throw-in at more than 50 metres] and the world-leading expert, but I am not too big to make fun of myself.”
The 42-year-old explained that his work centres on the long throw, the fast throw and the clever throw. The first can be as effective as a corner-kick, while the second can catch out defences and the third can be crucial in high-pressure situations.
“I focus on everything you can imagine,” he said. “It is not just the technique of the throw, but how to receive it, how to make the right runs, the positioning, creating space.”
The Dane believes he can help Klopp’s men engineer scoring chances from the touchline and warned that conceding throw-ins against them could now prove perilous.
“In general against Liverpool I would not want to put the ball out for a throw-in,” he said. “I am not saying Liverpool will do a lot of long throw-ins, but you never know when they may do it.”
“If Liverpool score a goal or two from long throws that would be perfect for me,” said Gronnemark. “But even more so if it comes as a result of a fast throw or clever throw.”
All the low level teams with great long throw ins worry every top team. So a skillful team like ours having that weapon would be nice.
But more so the general throw ins where we often lose the ball. That could be the fault of the thrower or the movement of the team, but I think the throwers can certainly improve.
But more so the general throw ins where we often lose the ball. That could be the fault of the thrower or the movement of the team, but I think the throwers can certainly improve.
While I agree in general, I consider the long throw a little as anti-football. I find it really irritating when a towel is given to the thrower so he can throw it in more accurately. Slows the game down horribly and plays into the hands of the yard dog teams. If we start a trend with this, I would expect ( hope) to see a rule come in fairly quickly limiting time ( and maybe even distance) on throws.
It’s been illegal to use a towel for a few years.
And maybe also a limit on how far goalkeepers are allowed to kick the ball ?
The other side put the ball out, so you should have an advantage.
I think the long throw is most useful when the attacking side puts it out. The defender can start a counter attack almost immediately.
Dirty boy!
And how hard the outfield players are allowed to kick it. Its hardly fair that goalkeepers have to fact shots in excess of 70 mph
If a long throw in can be more effective than what we're doing now then why not? It's not like we take every corner or free kick short because kicking it straight in the box is seen as anti football is it? The only problem I can see is that we might not have the type of players height wise to benefit from someone with a good long throw.
Also how high you are allowed to head it, it gives us all eye strain looking up. Maybe clearing the ball into the crowd should have limits too, if it reaches Row Z it's a penalty. And injuries (I'm all for this), down for more than 30 secs (game stopped) without then being substituted is a FK against.
Yes. Actually, contrary to Andy Gray, most clubs could do with a corner coach, too!
The likes of Salah, Gini, Mane and Firmino have all scored with their heads relatively recently – sometimes height is not everything. But with long throws, I think the main danger is not so much in assisting directly, but in the chaos it can produce – the ball travels slower than one struck by a foot so even if a defender makes a solid contact with the head, it's hard to generate enough power to clear it far enough from the danger zone; all kinds of 2nd chances can result from these knockdowns. A big weakness of the throw-in is again the result of the fact that the flight of the ball is slower: a pro-active GK has more time and a larger area to catch them.
Isn't a throw in the thing in football that's most likely to concede possession to the opponent?
I've heard that said a fair few times & watching the Premier league it's hard to argue against it, so if we can even improve that by a few percent it means the opposition has less of the ball, so it's definitely a gain, albeit a marginal gain.
To make it more relevant too, referees are finally clamping down on foul throws this season it seems, after years of players getting away with them, so even technique wise it may help.
There's so much money in the game that I have no problem with them having a specialist in every area tbh, you could make a marginal gain in every specific area of the pitch at the expensive of less than one below average journeyman players wage & it would almost certainly gain you more points than signing Mr average journeyman would.
I've heard that said a fair few times & watching the Premier league it's hard to argue against it, so if we can even improve that by a few percent it means the opposition has less of the ball, so it's definitely a gain, albeit a marginal gain.
To make it more relevant too, referees are finally clamping down on foul throws this season it seems, after years of players getting away with them, so even technique wise it may help.
There's so much money in the game that I have no problem with them having a specialist in every area tbh, you could make a marginal gain in every specific area of the pitch at the expensive of less than one below average journeyman players wage & it would almost certainly gain you more points than signing Mr average journeyman would.
I wonder if you are allowed to throw the ball at someone's face instead just to wind them up ? Will it be considered a foul ?
You know, like launch one of them rocket throws at Ramos' face up close when he's defending the throw-ins.
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You know, like launch one of them rocket throws at Ramos' face up close when he's defending the throw-ins.
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Big article on Sky today about Ramos. 19 Red Cards (record) in La Liga tells you all you need to know about that cunt.
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