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Liverpool are confident Nathaniel Clyne and Dejan Lovren will be fit for the visit of Manchester United on Monday week.

But the Reds are still sweating on the availability of Adam Lallana after the midfielder limped out of last Saturday’s win at Swansea City.

Lallana, whose impressive form has seen him nominated for Premier League player of the month, has been undergoing intensive treatment at Melwood having injured his groin midway through the first half against the Swans.
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Don't think Lallana is going to make it. Depends on the severity of the groin strain obviously, but he won't be able to train normally for 2 weeks (my own experience).
 
I expect Can to come in then instead of Lallana and play a stormer a la the Villarreal game
 
the count said:
I expect Can to come in then instead of Lallana and play a stormer a la the Villarreal game
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I expect Can to make his first league start of the season anyway, probably in place of Wijnaldum. We will need his height and physicality to match United. If Lallana isn't fit, Sturridge will play instead.
 
rurikbird said:
I expect Can to make his first league start of the season in place of Wijnaldum. We will need his height and physicality to match United. If Lallana isn't fit, Sturridge will play instead.
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Wijnaldum is't exactly powder puff and I would say is more of a presence in the midfield than Lallana, notwithstanding the enormous work rate that Lallana gets through.
If Sturridge starts would that require a change in formation or does someone drop into midfield in place of Lallana?
 
rurikbird said:
I expect Can to make his first league start of the season anyway, probably in place of Wijnaldum. We will need his height and physicality to match United. If Lallana isn't fit, Sturridge will play instead.
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Wijanldum is physical enough, besides plenty of teams have run rings around that 'physcial' side, I wholly expect us to do the same
 
the count said:
Wijnaldum is't exactly powder puff and I would say is more of a presence in the midfield than Lallana, notwithstanding the enormous work rate that Lallana gets through.
If Sturridge starts would that require a change in formation or does someone drop into midfield in place of Lallana?
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Actually not having Lallana available may help us more than hinder us in this instance. I think having Hendo, Can, Gini in midfield will give us an edge as all three are pretty tough and I think they will try and rough us up. That may allow Klopp to select between Studge, and Coutinho up front. I think Studge, Firm, and Mane should start up front. That is a solid line up.
 
I'd say it's far more like Coutinho plays where Lallana has been, and Sturridge starts. Presuming Lallana doesn't make it.
 
Lallana has been really excellent so far this season, but I think we have enough in Coutinho and Firmino to cope without him. Whoever comes into the midfield has to make sure they maintain the work rate though.
 
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Any word on Joe Gomez?
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The former Charlton Athletic youngster has showcased a strong resolve as he continues his rehabilitation, and Klopp provided an update on his fitness on Thursday morning.
“[He is doing] good. Not in team training but good,” he told reporters at Melwood.
“Everything that he is doing at the moment he is doing without problems, so that’s good.
“But, of course, he has a little way to go.”

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If Ings is playing for the reserves 5 months after he was declared fit, I think it's fair to say that there's a strong possibility Gomez isn't going to see first team football this season.
 
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I can't believe Ings isn't fit enough to play some part in competitve first team matches, if no all of a match.

It's bizarre, especially so given his few first team performances and subsequent reserve appearances suggest he's exactly what Klopp would want in a forward.

In fact, it's that bizarre that, it must just be a fitness issue, right?

Jesus
 
the count said:
Wijnaldum is't exactly powder puff and I would say is more of a presence in the midfield than Lallana, notwithstanding the enormous work rate that Lallana gets through.
If Sturridge starts would that require a change in formation or does someone drop into midfield in place of Lallana?
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If it is to be Sturridge instead of Lallana I reckon Coutinho might drop into Lallana's spot.
 
HC said:
I can't believe Ings isn't fit enough to play some part in competitve first team matches, if no all of a match.

It's bizarre, especially so given his few first team performances and subsequent reserve appearances suggest he's exactly what Klopp would want in a forward.

In fact, it's that bizarre that, it must just be a fitness issue, right?

Jesus
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Maybe it's more about not destabilising a winning team, it seems that Klopp has only really made enforced changes so far this season. I understand that this doesn't explain the lack of sub appearances.
 
HC said:
I can't believe Ings isn't fit enough to play some part in competitve first team matches, if no all of a match.

It's bizarre, especially so given his few first team performances and subsequent reserve appearances suggest he's exactly what Klopp would want in a forward.

In fact, it's that bizarre that, it must just be a fitness issue, right?

Jesus
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It's very strange, especially if we did actually turn down a bid for him. I hope we have a decent run in both cups so the likes of him and Origi can get some playing time.
 
Didn't he play 30 odd minutes in the West brom game at the end of last season too?

There's suggestions we turned down £15m or so over the summer for him, not Seen the club wheel him out for any wanky media gigs in ages either , given Markovic etc get a go it's all a bit crazy..
 
HC said:
I can't believe Ings isn't fit enough to play some part in competitve first team matches, if no all of a match.

It's bizarre, especially so given his few first team performances and subsequent reserve appearances suggest he's exactly what Klopp would want in a forward.

In fact, it's that bizarre that, it must just be a fitness issue, right?

Jesus
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I agree it seems weird, but Klopp simply won't go against the advice of his medical team about the schedule to return from this type of injury. Being declared fit to resume training is only one stage in a much longer process.
 
Remember that klopp has similarly hard on Sturridge too, if he doesn't think a player is at complete fitness he doesn't play him until he's trained his way back to that level.

I imagine this will frustrate the fuck out of us over the medium to long term at times, but having seen how often the likes of Owen, & more recently, Sturridge have been brought back in to the fold only to collapse again a couple of weeks later in many ways it's refreshingly brave.
 
Modo said:
The former Charlton Athletic youngster has showcased a strong resolve as he continues his rehabilitation, and Klopp provided an update on his fitness on Thursday morning.
“[He is doing] good. Not in team training but good,” he told reporters at Melwood.
“Everything that he is doing at the moment he is doing without problems, so that’s good.
“But, of course, he has a little way to go.”

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If Ings is playing for the reserves 5 months after he was declared fit, I think it's fair to say that there's a strong possibility Gomez isn't going to see first team football this season.
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Which is a shame. We could really have used him as back up, particularly in the full-back positions. Lets hope he returns for the Spring run-in.
 
Yeah I understand all of the above. But how can someone be fit to play football since may not be fit enough to play some part in a Klopp side?
5 months of fitness, a pre-season and God knows how Many minutes of football and training have been accrued since his injury.

I'll take solace in the fact that he's not whinged or spoken about it and so is in some sort of agreement with Klopp, that or he's just the silent type.

All of that said, Im not privy to whatever information professionals in the fitness/physio domain pass to Klopp and if they /he say he's not ready for the league, then so be it.

If anything it's an ultra-professional approach, which is nice to see
 
Ings will be bed in time for the Christmas period and when Mane goes to African Cup of Nations..

He is playing in the U23 to keep his match fitness levels up..
 
RedNinja said:
Ings will be bed in time for the Christmas period and when Mane goes to African Cup of Nations..

He is playing in the U23 to keep his match fitness levels up..
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Why in the FUCK would Klopp replace a winger with a striker and HOW dare you even suggest that?
And why aren't you more ashamed of yourself?

(Rick and Morty ref)
 
Klopp's brought with him from Germany a much more holistic approach to treating serious injuries such as ACLs. Even though things have improved dramatically over here, there's still a tendency to concentrate on treating the actual local injury and rushing to get the player back on the pitch. With Klopp everything gets analysed - all the related muscles and joints, possible effects during rehab on balance, strength and speed, with all kinds of hi-tech gadgets and video analysis studied daily as the player starts training and then playing again. The aim is to do all that can be done to ensure that the player not only comes back with little possibility of having a problem with the original injury ever again, but also with any of the usual compensatory injuries elsewhere that can sometimes develop. And that takes, well, this long. As has been said, it's frustrating but also reassuring that there's such a hyper-professional, and responsible, attitude now.
 
the count said:
Wijnaldum is't exactly powder puff and I would say is more of a presence in the midfield than Lallana, notwithstanding the enormous work rate that Lallana gets through.
If Sturridge starts would that require a change in formation or does someone drop into midfield in place of Lallana?
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Coutinho to start as CM if Lallana is unfit with front trio of Studge, Mane and Firmino. Expect us to rip it up.
 
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