Not trying to temp faith (aqualanai) but its ridiculous the amount of players who flop when they make said move. Veron, shevchenco, dossena, maccarone etc. There have been some successful lads like zola etc, but thats not my point. Is it a difference in style or a coincedence.... Discuss. Also ive had a few so pardon any spelling mistakes. Thank you.
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It has to be a concern alright.
Veron came seen as a man who could unlock any defence and simply could not cope with the pace.
Let's hope Aquaman has learned from watching on the sidelines.
Veron came seen as a man who could unlock any defence and simply could not cope with the pace.
Let's hope Aquaman has learned from watching on the sidelines.
For me, it all comes down to the pace of the game.
And for this reason right now, is exactly why we have seen English clubs dominate the Italians and Spaniards in Europe.
In Italy and Spain, the players are taught how to play a more controlled, slower pace of football.
In England, players are being taught to play fast paced football... but exactly why English clubs are dominating now is because of imports who bring in a high standard of technical quality to go with the faster paced football.
It is much easier to learn how to play fast paced football, and then be coached into learning how to play a slower brand of football.
It is much much harder to teach a player how to play at a faster tempo, if that player from a young age was only taught how to play a slower brand of football.
It works every way though... players can fail for different reasons... a lot of players go to Italy from EPL and La Liga and fail to adapt.
Gaizka Mendieta is a classic example from Valencia to Lazio - failed big time - and he was a fantastic player.
And for this reason right now, is exactly why we have seen English clubs dominate the Italians and Spaniards in Europe.
In Italy and Spain, the players are taught how to play a more controlled, slower pace of football.
In England, players are being taught to play fast paced football... but exactly why English clubs are dominating now is because of imports who bring in a high standard of technical quality to go with the faster paced football.
It is much easier to learn how to play fast paced football, and then be coached into learning how to play a slower brand of football.
It is much much harder to teach a player how to play at a faster tempo, if that player from a young age was only taught how to play a slower brand of football.
It works every way though... players can fail for different reasons... a lot of players go to Italy from EPL and La Liga and fail to adapt.
Gaizka Mendieta is a classic example from Valencia to Lazio - failed big time - and he was a fantastic player.
[quote author=Roopy link=topic=36008.msg949518#msg949518 date=1253774609]
Gaizka Mendieta is a classic example from Valencia to Lazio - failed big time - and he was a fantastic player.
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De La Pena was another fantastic player that went to Lazio and failed.
Gaizka Mendieta is a classic example from Valencia to Lazio - failed big time - and he was a fantastic player.
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De La Pena was another fantastic player that went to Lazio and failed.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36008.msg949528#msg949528 date=1253776607]
Theres been more who've made it than you think.
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Nope. The ratio of "made its" to "dismally failed" is staggering. There are probably about 10 success stories in total.
Theres been more who've made it than you think.
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Nope. The ratio of "made its" to "dismally failed" is staggering. There are probably about 10 success stories in total.
Until recently there have been very few players wishing to move from Italian football to the English game... It could be argued that Shevchenko had already had his best years in Italy.
i think there are a lot of italian players that would extremely succesful in England. Inzaghi would probably have been terrific for Man utd a few years ago. The speed of the game would probably allow him more opportunities to ghost in behind defenders for easy opportunities..
Cassano would have been a huge success in England.. he probably would have been sent off a million times but he would also have won a million freekicks around the edge of the box from cumbersome centrebacks diving in. Vieri was perfect for the premiership!
Drogba, Viduka and Ashton all rolled into one.
i think midfielders would probably find it hardest to adapt due to the constant running and need to remain focused. The italian league is very stop start and played in short bursts. I hope aquilani is a success. He definetely has the ability but the difference for midfielders is substancial.
i think there are a lot of italian players that would extremely succesful in England. Inzaghi would probably have been terrific for Man utd a few years ago. The speed of the game would probably allow him more opportunities to ghost in behind defenders for easy opportunities..
Cassano would have been a huge success in England.. he probably would have been sent off a million times but he would also have won a million freekicks around the edge of the box from cumbersome centrebacks diving in. Vieri was perfect for the premiership!
Drogba, Viduka and Ashton all rolled into one.
i think midfielders would probably find it hardest to adapt due to the constant running and need to remain focused. The italian league is very stop start and played in short bursts. I hope aquilani is a success. He definetely has the ability but the difference for midfielders is substancial.
Let's do a list of made it against flops. Please add those I can't remember
Made It:
Zola
Di Matteo
Vialli
Ravanelli
Gullitt
Asprilla
Di Canio
Bergkamp
Thierry Henry
Carbone
Failed it:
Shevchenko
Veron
Dossena
Massimo Taibi
Tomas Brolin
Ramon Vega
Per Kroldrup
Mutu
Maccarone
Ferrari
Materazzi
Made It:
Zola
Di Matteo
Vialli
Ravanelli
Gullitt
Asprilla
Di Canio
Bergkamp
Thierry Henry
Carbone
Failed it:
Shevchenko
Veron
Dossena
Massimo Taibi
Tomas Brolin
Ramon Vega
Per Kroldrup
Mutu
Maccarone
Ferrari
Materazzi
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=36008.msg949561#msg949561 date=1253780189]
Let's do a list of made it against flops. Please add those I can't remember
Made It:
Zola
Di Matteo
Vialli
Ravanelli
Gullitt
Asprilla
Di Canio
Bergkamp
Thierry Henry
Failed it:
Shevchenko
Veron
Dossena
Massimo Taibi
Tomas Brolin
Ramon Vega
Per Kroldrup
Mutu
Maccarone
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Oncey you seem to have Dossena in your list of flops.
(BTW 5times I know you were pissed but the idiom is tempt fate , not temp faith 😉 )
regards
Let's do a list of made it against flops. Please add those I can't remember
Made It:
Zola
Di Matteo
Vialli
Ravanelli
Gullitt
Asprilla
Di Canio
Bergkamp
Thierry Henry
Failed it:
Shevchenko
Veron
Dossena
Massimo Taibi
Tomas Brolin
Ramon Vega
Per Kroldrup
Mutu
Maccarone
[/quote]
Oncey you seem to have Dossena in your list of flops.
(BTW 5times I know you were pissed but the idiom is tempt fate , not temp faith 😉 )
regards
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=36008.msg949561#msg949561 date=1253780189]
Let's do a list of made it against flops. Please add those I can't remember
Made It:
Zola
Di Matteo
Vialli
Ravanelli
Gullitt
Asprilla
Di Canio
Bergkamp
Thierry Henry
[size=20pt]Aquilani[/size]
Failed it:
Shevchenko
Veron
Dossena
Massimo Taibi
Tomas Brolin
Ramon Vega
Per Kroldrup
Mutu
Maccarone
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one addition only inshallah
Let's do a list of made it against flops. Please add those I can't remember
Made It:
Zola
Di Matteo
Vialli
Ravanelli
Gullitt
Asprilla
Di Canio
Bergkamp
Thierry Henry
[size=20pt]Aquilani[/size]
Failed it:
Shevchenko
Veron
Dossena
Massimo Taibi
Tomas Brolin
Ramon Vega
Per Kroldrup
Mutu
Maccarone
[/quote]
one addition only inshallah
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=36008.msg949570#msg949570 date=1253780585]
I'm not Oncey Vlad.
You're doing that a lot lately.
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You must have an Avatar that looks the same 😱
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I'm not Oncey Vlad.
You're doing that a lot lately.
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You must have an Avatar that looks the same 😱
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Cuducini
I think he is a made it
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I think he is a made it
regards
updated and added Cudicini
Made It:
Zola
Di Matteo
Vialli
Ravanelli
Gullitt
Asprilla
Di Canio
Bergkamp
Thierry Henry
Carbone
Cudicini
Failed it:
Shevchenko
Veron
Dossena
Massimo Taibi
Tomas Brolin
Ramon Vega
Per Kroldrup
Mutu
Maccarone
Ferrari
Materazzi
Panucci (loan)
Undecided:
Crespo
Aquilani
Made It:
Zola
Di Matteo
Vialli
Ravanelli
Gullitt
Asprilla
Di Canio
Bergkamp
Thierry Henry
Carbone
Cudicini
Failed it:
Shevchenko
Veron
Dossena
Massimo Taibi
Tomas Brolin
Ramon Vega
Per Kroldrup
Mutu
Maccarone
Ferrari
Materazzi
Panucci (loan)
Undecided:
Crespo
Aquilani
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36008.msg949565#msg949565 date=1253780509]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=36008.msg949561#msg949561 date=1253780189]
Let's do a list of made it against flops. Please add those I can't remember
Made It:
Zola
Di Matteo
Vialli
Ravanelli
Gullitt
Asprilla
Di Canio
Bergkamp
Thierry Henry
Failed it:
Shevchenko
Veron
Dossena
Massimo Taibi
Tomas Brolin
Ramon Vega
Per Kroldrup
Mutu
Maccarone
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Oncey you seem to have Dossena in your list of flops.
(BTW 5times I know you were pissed but the idiom is tempt fate , not temp faith 😉 )
regards
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maybe he meant he has faith that aquaman might make it but only temporarily!
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=36008.msg949561#msg949561 date=1253780189]
Let's do a list of made it against flops. Please add those I can't remember
Made It:
Zola
Di Matteo
Vialli
Ravanelli
Gullitt
Asprilla
Di Canio
Bergkamp
Thierry Henry
Failed it:
Shevchenko
Veron
Dossena
Massimo Taibi
Tomas Brolin
Ramon Vega
Per Kroldrup
Mutu
Maccarone
[/quote]
Oncey you seem to have Dossena in your list of flops.
(BTW 5times I know you were pissed but the idiom is tempt fate , not temp faith 😉 )
regards
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maybe he meant he has faith that aquaman might make it but only temporarily!
I think this is a made it too
Tino Asprilla
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Tino Asprilla
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[quote author=ILD link=topic=36008.msg949601#msg949601 date=1253782656]
Pier Luigi Casiraghi - Floptastic.
Well, he did take the shot to cause Babb to slalom into the post. Well, at least I think it was him.
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Thats not really fair though - he did get a bad injury
Pier Luigi Casiraghi - Floptastic.
Well, he did take the shot to cause Babb to slalom into the post. Well, at least I think it was him.
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Thats not really fair though - he did get a bad injury
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=36008.msg949605#msg949605 date=1253782882]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=36008.msg949601#msg949601 date=1253782656]
Pier Luigi Casiraghi - Floptastic.
Well, he did take the shot to cause Babb to slalom into the post. Well, at least I think it was him.
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Thats not really fair though - he did get a bad injury
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Yeah Knee ligaments i think. Still deems him a flop, harsh I know.
Had he only one goal during his time in England at that stage?
[quote author=ILD link=topic=36008.msg949601#msg949601 date=1253782656]
Pier Luigi Casiraghi - Floptastic.
Well, he did take the shot to cause Babb to slalom into the post. Well, at least I think it was him.
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Thats not really fair though - he did get a bad injury
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Yeah Knee ligaments i think. Still deems him a flop, harsh I know.
Had he only one goal during his time in England at that stage?
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