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Owen's lack of ambition at this age is there for all to see.
I doubt he gives much of a shit about football any more.
I doubt he gives much of a shit about football any more.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42462.msg1207126#msg1207126 date=1288234932]
Owen's lack of ambition at this age is there for all to see.
I doubt he gives much of a shit about football any more.
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One has to wonder how much he ever truly has. I think if he badly injured himself tomorrow and that was it for his career, if offered the chance at being able to play football again or another million in the bank he would take the million. I might be doing him a disservice there, but he's always struck me as someone in it for what they can get rather than the game, even while he was with us I thought that.
Owen's lack of ambition at this age is there for all to see.
I doubt he gives much of a shit about football any more.
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One has to wonder how much he ever truly has. I think if he badly injured himself tomorrow and that was it for his career, if offered the chance at being able to play football again or another million in the bank he would take the million. I might be doing him a disservice there, but he's always struck me as someone in it for what they can get rather than the game, even while he was with us I thought that.
[quote author=Fallon link=topic=42462.msg1207127#msg1207127 date=1288236529]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42462.msg1207126#msg1207126 date=1288234932]
Owen's lack of ambition at this age is there for all to see.
I doubt he gives much of a shit about football any more.
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One has to wonder how much he ever truly has. I think if he badly injured himself tomorrow and that was it for his career, if offered the chance at being able to play football again or another million in the bank he would take the million. I might be doing him a disservice there, but he's always struck me as someone in it for what they can get rather than the game, even while he was with us I thought that.
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Nonsense.
He was offered higher wages with Stoke than he gets for United, but turned that down.
I think he loves his football, and is probably as sad as anyone that his career has fizzled out the way it has. He's made mistakes sure, but I really don't get the Owen-hating that pervades these boards.
He was a wonderful wonderful player for us, and given the adulation that's thrown around here for fucking jokers with half his ability who offered up 1/10th of what he did for us, it's little wonder there's no bond between Liverpool and Michael Owen anymore.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42462.msg1207126#msg1207126 date=1288234932]
Owen's lack of ambition at this age is there for all to see.
I doubt he gives much of a shit about football any more.
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One has to wonder how much he ever truly has. I think if he badly injured himself tomorrow and that was it for his career, if offered the chance at being able to play football again or another million in the bank he would take the million. I might be doing him a disservice there, but he's always struck me as someone in it for what they can get rather than the game, even while he was with us I thought that.
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Nonsense.
He was offered higher wages with Stoke than he gets for United, but turned that down.
I think he loves his football, and is probably as sad as anyone that his career has fizzled out the way it has. He's made mistakes sure, but I really don't get the Owen-hating that pervades these boards.
He was a wonderful wonderful player for us, and given the adulation that's thrown around here for fucking jokers with half his ability who offered up 1/10th of what he did for us, it's little wonder there's no bond between Liverpool and Michael Owen anymore.
So because he got offered an extra 10k a week (speculation, but plausible) in the shithole that is Stoke-On-Trent, and turned it down to join the reigning champions (at the time), he loves football? The only time I have personally seen him show some love of the game is when he has played in an England shirt.
Also, as a rule, I don't really give a shit who he plays for/what he does. I think the way he saw out his last year with us and left (given everything he had won and done in the previous 6 years) was a joke, and I can quite easily understand why people hold some animosity towards him, but again I don't particuarly care as it was a long time ago and the year that followed was just desserts IMO.
Also, as a rule, I don't really give a shit who he plays for/what he does. I think the way he saw out his last year with us and left (given everything he had won and done in the previous 6 years) was a joke, and I can quite easily understand why people hold some animosity towards him, but again I don't particuarly care as it was a long time ago and the year that followed was just desserts IMO.
[quote author=Fallon link=topic=42462.msg1207138#msg1207138 date=1288243561]
So because he got offered an extra 10k a week (speculation, but plausible) in the shithole that is Stoke-On-Trent, and turned it down to join the reigning champions (at the time), he loves football? The only time I have personally seen him show some love of the game is when he has played in an England shirt.
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Really? You don't think he "loved the game" when he was scoring 170 odd goals for us?
You don't think he "showed love for the game" when he won the Cup Final on his own?
Fucking nonsense.
So because he got offered an extra 10k a week (speculation, but plausible) in the shithole that is Stoke-On-Trent, and turned it down to join the reigning champions (at the time), he loves football? The only time I have personally seen him show some love of the game is when he has played in an England shirt.
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Really? You don't think he "loved the game" when he was scoring 170 odd goals for us?
You don't think he "showed love for the game" when he won the Cup Final on his own?
Fucking nonsense.
It is a typical internet thing to hold footballers (any celebrity for that matter) to higher morals.
He loved football enough to become one of the game's top footballer. He won the European footballer of the year for fucks sake. You don't do that by "not loving the game". He made one bad decision in going to Real Madrid, and when he realized he was not going to get regular game time inspite of scoring for them, he opted to move out. If he was content to sit on the bench and pick up the wages, Real would have held on to him for at least another year. He was very good at scoring goals for them, coming on a sub. He was also very marketable.
Since he moved to Newcastle, he has been suffering from one injury problem after another. Yet, he goes on trying to play football. The guy has made enough of a name to start earning just as much by retiring and becoming a television presenter etc or embark on a football coaching career to plan for further long term income, yet he continues to make something out of his playing career and win some medals to show for his work, but luck would have it that he will not win any....he is more cursed than Liverpool football club in that regard. I still have a soft spot for him, but not enough to wish that he wins a medal playing for them twats. But to say that the guy is all about money is pure nonsense and a statement filled with typical internet hypocrisy.
He loved football enough to become one of the game's top footballer. He won the European footballer of the year for fucks sake. You don't do that by "not loving the game". He made one bad decision in going to Real Madrid, and when he realized he was not going to get regular game time inspite of scoring for them, he opted to move out. If he was content to sit on the bench and pick up the wages, Real would have held on to him for at least another year. He was very good at scoring goals for them, coming on a sub. He was also very marketable.
Since he moved to Newcastle, he has been suffering from one injury problem after another. Yet, he goes on trying to play football. The guy has made enough of a name to start earning just as much by retiring and becoming a television presenter etc or embark on a football coaching career to plan for further long term income, yet he continues to make something out of his playing career and win some medals to show for his work, but luck would have it that he will not win any....he is more cursed than Liverpool football club in that regard. I still have a soft spot for him, but not enough to wish that he wins a medal playing for them twats. But to say that the guy is all about money is pure nonsense and a statement filled with typical internet hypocrisy.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42462.msg1207139#msg1207139 date=1288244468]
[quote author=Fallon link=topic=42462.msg1207138#msg1207138 date=1288243561]
So because he got offered an extra 10k a week (speculation, but plausible) in the shithole that is Stoke-On-Trent, and turned it down to join the reigning champions (at the time), he loves football? The only time I have personally seen him show some love of the game is when he has played in an England shirt.
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Really? You don't think he "loved the game" when he was scoring 170 odd goals for us?
You don't think he "showed love for the game" when he won the Cup Final on his own?
Fucking nonsense.
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Oh ffs Ryan sod off, Babel has scored 20 odd goals for us in a couple of years and we all know he doesn't give a shit, so what's goals scored got to do with it?
And while I think it's hard not to show some passion & jubilation (not necessarily for football) when scoring in the final of the premier domestic cup competition in the world, I would say that luck, a blind ref and one of the best through balls you are ever likely to see from Paddy Berger's sweet left played as big a part in winning that final.
We obviously have differing opinions on Owen's commitment/love of football (not us/united/whoever you brought that up) so I'll leave it be, I'll just say that my opinion isn't based on just observation and rumour.
[quote author=Fallon link=topic=42462.msg1207138#msg1207138 date=1288243561]
So because he got offered an extra 10k a week (speculation, but plausible) in the shithole that is Stoke-On-Trent, and turned it down to join the reigning champions (at the time), he loves football? The only time I have personally seen him show some love of the game is when he has played in an England shirt.
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Really? You don't think he "loved the game" when he was scoring 170 odd goals for us?
You don't think he "showed love for the game" when he won the Cup Final on his own?
Fucking nonsense.
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Oh ffs Ryan sod off, Babel has scored 20 odd goals for us in a couple of years and we all know he doesn't give a shit, so what's goals scored got to do with it?
And while I think it's hard not to show some passion & jubilation (not necessarily for football) when scoring in the final of the premier domestic cup competition in the world, I would say that luck, a blind ref and one of the best through balls you are ever likely to see from Paddy Berger's sweet left played as big a part in winning that final.
We obviously have differing opinions on Owen's commitment/love of football (not us/united/whoever you brought that up) so I'll leave it be, I'll just say that my opinion isn't based on just observation and rumour.
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=42462.msg1207146#msg1207146 date=1288246183]
It is a typical internet thing to hold footballers (any celebrity for that matter) to higher morals.
He loved football enough to become one of the game's top footballer. He won the European footballer of the year for fucks sake. You don't do that by "not loving the game". He made one bad decision in going to Real Madrid, and when he realized he was not going to get regular game time inspite of scoring for them, he opted to move out. If he was content to sit on the bench and pick up the wages, Real would have held on to him for at least another year. He was very good at scoring goals for them, coming on a sub. He was also very marketable.
Since he moved to Newcastle, he has been suffering from one injury problem after another. Yet, he goes on trying to play football. The guy has made enough of a name to start earning just as much by retiring and becoming a television presenter etc or embark on a football coaching career to plan for further long term income, yet he continues to make something out of his playing career and win some medals to show for his work, but luck would have it that he will not win any....he is more cursed than Liverpool football club in that regard. I still have a soft spot for him, but not enough to wish that he wins a medal playing for them twats. But to say that the guy is all about money is pure nonsense and a statement filled with typical internet hypocrisy.
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CBA retorting to the bottom bit, all I'll say is I think the reason for this is because he is deluded enough to think that he still has a chance in the England setup and while their remains a glimmer of hope he will continue in football.
It is a typical internet thing to hold footballers (any celebrity for that matter) to higher morals.
He loved football enough to become one of the game's top footballer. He won the European footballer of the year for fucks sake. You don't do that by "not loving the game". He made one bad decision in going to Real Madrid, and when he realized he was not going to get regular game time inspite of scoring for them, he opted to move out. If he was content to sit on the bench and pick up the wages, Real would have held on to him for at least another year. He was very good at scoring goals for them, coming on a sub. He was also very marketable.
Since he moved to Newcastle, he has been suffering from one injury problem after another. Yet, he goes on trying to play football. The guy has made enough of a name to start earning just as much by retiring and becoming a television presenter etc or embark on a football coaching career to plan for further long term income, yet he continues to make something out of his playing career and win some medals to show for his work, but luck would have it that he will not win any....he is more cursed than Liverpool football club in that regard. I still have a soft spot for him, but not enough to wish that he wins a medal playing for them twats. But to say that the guy is all about money is pure nonsense and a statement filled with typical internet hypocrisy.
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CBA retorting to the bottom bit, all I'll say is I think the reason for this is because he is deluded enough to think that he still has a chance in the England setup and while their remains a glimmer of hope he will continue in football.
May be, may be not...
But how is wanting to play for England against all odds, not an indication of his love for the game? You make no fucking sense, to be honest.
Playing for England does not even yield him a lot of cash. The money monger is better off retiring from England setup and getting some more money at club level.
But how is wanting to play for England against all odds, not an indication of his love for the game? You make no fucking sense, to be honest.
Playing for England does not even yield him a lot of cash. The money monger is better off retiring from England setup and getting some more money at club level.
Spot on.
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=42462.msg1207146#msg1207146 date=1288246183]
It is a typical internet thing to hold footballers (any celebrity for that matter) to higher morals.
He loved football enough to become one of the game's top footballer. He won the European footballer of the year for fucks sake. You don't do that by "not loving the game". He made one bad decision in going to Real Madrid, and when he realized he was not going to get regular game time inspite of scoring for them, he opted to move out. If he was content to sit on the bench and pick up the wages, Real would have held on to him for at least another year. He was very good at scoring goals for them, coming on a sub. He was also very marketable.
Since he moved to Newcastle, he has been suffering from one injury problem after another. Yet, he goes on trying to play football. The guy has made enough of a name to start earning just as much by retiring and becoming a television presenter etc or embark on a football coaching career to plan for further long term income, yet he continues to make something out of his playing career and win some medals to show for his work, but luck would have it that he will not win any....he is more cursed than Liverpool football club in that regard. I still have a soft spot for him, but not enough to wish that he wins a medal playing for them twats. But to say that the guy is all about money is pure nonsense and a statement filled with typical internet hypocrisy.
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[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=42462.msg1207146#msg1207146 date=1288246183]
It is a typical internet thing to hold footballers (any celebrity for that matter) to higher morals.
He loved football enough to become one of the game's top footballer. He won the European footballer of the year for fucks sake. You don't do that by "not loving the game". He made one bad decision in going to Real Madrid, and when he realized he was not going to get regular game time inspite of scoring for them, he opted to move out. If he was content to sit on the bench and pick up the wages, Real would have held on to him for at least another year. He was very good at scoring goals for them, coming on a sub. He was also very marketable.
Since he moved to Newcastle, he has been suffering from one injury problem after another. Yet, he goes on trying to play football. The guy has made enough of a name to start earning just as much by retiring and becoming a television presenter etc or embark on a football coaching career to plan for further long term income, yet he continues to make something out of his playing career and win some medals to show for his work, but luck would have it that he will not win any....he is more cursed than Liverpool football club in that regard. I still have a soft spot for him, but not enough to wish that he wins a medal playing for them twats. But to say that the guy is all about money is pure nonsense and a statement filled with typical internet hypocrisy.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=42462.msg1207172#msg1207172 date=1288248944]
We shouldn't confuse ambition with lack of passion.
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But passion drives ambition.
I can't think of a clear cut case of having high ambition and no passion at all..
We shouldn't confuse ambition with lack of passion.
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But passion drives ambition.
I can't think of a clear cut case of having high ambition and no passion at all..
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=42462.msg1207168#msg1207168 date=1288248642]
May be, may be not...
But how is wanting to play for England against all odds, not an indication of his love for the game? You make no fucking sense, to be honest.
Playing for England does not even yield him a lot of cash. The money monger is better off retiring from England setup and getting some more money at club level.
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It isn't, but if fucking Beckham can still get a look in then you'd think if Owen had any chance then he would have had some time recently. Patriotism? TBH I think this is all getting a bit OTT for something I only had a passing interest in to begin with, as I said maybe I'm doing the lad a disservice, but based on everything I've seen in the last couple of years, and a couple of tidbits I know about him I would say he isn't arsed about football one way or the other but if England come calling he'll always be there.
Anyway, talk amongst yourselves, I'm off to bed.
May be, may be not...
But how is wanting to play for England against all odds, not an indication of his love for the game? You make no fucking sense, to be honest.
Playing for England does not even yield him a lot of cash. The money monger is better off retiring from England setup and getting some more money at club level.
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It isn't, but if fucking Beckham can still get a look in then you'd think if Owen had any chance then he would have had some time recently. Patriotism? TBH I think this is all getting a bit OTT for something I only had a passing interest in to begin with, as I said maybe I'm doing the lad a disservice, but based on everything I've seen in the last couple of years, and a couple of tidbits I know about him I would say he isn't arsed about football one way or the other but if England come calling he'll always be there.
Anyway, talk amongst yourselves, I'm off to bed.
i don't have anything against owen, really, and i couldn't give a fuck whether he loves the game of football or not, but i do think it's pretty strange that he's content to be a completely marginal figure when he could be starting week-in week-out at a smaller club. it doesn't exactly scream a passion for the sport tbh. i dunno, maybe he just wants a chance of winning medals and playing in the odd big match - for a player only just into his 30s though, i do find it a bit of a weird attitude though.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42462.msg1207196#msg1207196 date=1288252289]
i don't have anything against owen, really, and i couldn't give a fuck whether he loves the game of football or not, but i do think it's pretty strange that he's content to be a completely marginal figure when he could be starting week-in week-out at a smaller club. it doesn't exactly scream a passion for the sport tbh. i dunno, maybe he just wants a chance of winning medals and playing in the odd big match - for a player only just into his 30s though, i do find it a bit of a weird attitude though.
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I think you've hit the nail squarely on the head Peter. He wants a league medal to round off his career. He doesnt care if he only had to plat the minimum (10?) games to get it. Man U are the only place he is likely to achieve that now
i don't have anything against owen, really, and i couldn't give a fuck whether he loves the game of football or not, but i do think it's pretty strange that he's content to be a completely marginal figure when he could be starting week-in week-out at a smaller club. it doesn't exactly scream a passion for the sport tbh. i dunno, maybe he just wants a chance of winning medals and playing in the odd big match - for a player only just into his 30s though, i do find it a bit of a weird attitude though.
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I think you've hit the nail squarely on the head Peter. He wants a league medal to round off his career. He doesnt care if he only had to plat the minimum (10?) games to get it. Man U are the only place he is likely to achieve that now
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42462.msg1207139#msg1207139 date=1288244468]
[quote author=Fallon link=topic=42462.msg1207138#msg1207138 date=1288243561]
So because he got offered an extra 10k a week (speculation, but plausible) in the shithole that is Stoke-On-Trent, and turned it down to join the reigning champions (at the time), he loves football? The only time I have personally seen him show some love of the game is when he has played in an England shirt.
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Really? You don't think he "loved the game" when he was scoring 170 odd goals for us?
You don't think he "showed love for the game" when he won the Cup Final on his own?
Fucking nonsense.
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Oh ffs Ryan sod off, Babel has scored 20 odd goals for us in a couple of years and we all know he doesn't give a shit, so what's goals scored got to do with it?
And while I think it's hard not to show some passion & jubilation (not necessarily for football) when scoring in the final of the premier domestic cup competition in the world, I would say that luck, a blind ref and one of the best through balls you are ever likely to see from Paddy Berger's sweet left played as big a part in winning that final.
We obviously have differing opinions on Owen's commitment/love of football (not us/united/whoever you brought that up) so I'll leave it be, I'll just say that my opinion isn't based on just observation and rumour.
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What are you babling on? Owen and Babel gives a shit. Due tio different circumstances they have come to points in their careers were they have to make choices. But they are human who gives a shit when given the chance to do so.... '
Are you blaming Owen for taking money offered to him? Are you blaming Babel for the faults a Liverpool?
owen was the kind of monster signing Real M wanted and they turned the young guys head around. No doubt that he should have stayed with pool, but he made a choice, and the choice of Real M is never a greedy one. Real M is one of the clubs who players will want to pløay for if given the chance, like it or not.
Babbel was very good in his first season here. He has been out in the cold since, and you cant brand him as "doesnt give a shit" by those circumstances. He might not be good enough, but it is a normal human reaction todrop your head when you feelyour not wanted/not given a chance. You would do the same if your boss kept assigning to shit work. You would not perform your best. These are normal reactions, and to brand them like that is bullshit.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42462.msg1207139#msg1207139 date=1288244468]
[quote author=Fallon link=topic=42462.msg1207138#msg1207138 date=1288243561]
So because he got offered an extra 10k a week (speculation, but plausible) in the shithole that is Stoke-On-Trent, and turned it down to join the reigning champions (at the time), he loves football? The only time I have personally seen him show some love of the game is when he has played in an England shirt.
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Really? You don't think he "loved the game" when he was scoring 170 odd goals for us?
You don't think he "showed love for the game" when he won the Cup Final on his own?
Fucking nonsense.
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Oh ffs Ryan sod off, Babel has scored 20 odd goals for us in a couple of years and we all know he doesn't give a shit, so what's goals scored got to do with it?
And while I think it's hard not to show some passion & jubilation (not necessarily for football) when scoring in the final of the premier domestic cup competition in the world, I would say that luck, a blind ref and one of the best through balls you are ever likely to see from Paddy Berger's sweet left played as big a part in winning that final.
We obviously have differing opinions on Owen's commitment/love of football (not us/united/whoever you brought that up) so I'll leave it be, I'll just say that my opinion isn't based on just observation and rumour.
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What are you babling on? Owen and Babel gives a shit. Due tio different circumstances they have come to points in their careers were they have to make choices. But they are human who gives a shit when given the chance to do so.... '
Are you blaming Owen for taking money offered to him? Are you blaming Babel for the faults a Liverpool?
owen was the kind of monster signing Real M wanted and they turned the young guys head around. No doubt that he should have stayed with pool, but he made a choice, and the choice of Real M is never a greedy one. Real M is one of the clubs who players will want to pløay for if given the chance, like it or not.
Babbel was very good in his first season here. He has been out in the cold since, and you cant brand him as "doesnt give a shit" by those circumstances. He might not be good enough, but it is a normal human reaction todrop your head when you feelyour not wanted/not given a chance. You would do the same if your boss kept assigning to shit work. You would not perform your best. These are normal reactions, and to brand them like that is bullshit.
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=42462.msg1207202#msg1207202 date=1288252572]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42462.msg1207196#msg1207196 date=1288252289]
i don't have anything against owen, really, and i couldn't give a fuck whether he loves the game of football or not, but i do think it's pretty strange that he's content to be a completely marginal figure when he could be starting week-in week-out at a smaller club. it doesn't exactly scream a passion for the sport tbh. i dunno, maybe he just wants a chance of winning medals and playing in the odd big match - for a player only just into his 30s though, i do find it a bit of a weird attitude though.
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I think you've hit the nail squarely on the head Peter. He wants a league medal to round off his career. He doesnt care if he only had to plat the minimum (10?) games to get it. Man U are the only place he is likely to achieve that now
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At this rate of either play 10 games to qualify for the medal or Man U actually winning it this year, do you think he will actually finally get his hand onto the PL medal? Not likely imho.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42462.msg1207196#msg1207196 date=1288252289]
i don't have anything against owen, really, and i couldn't give a fuck whether he loves the game of football or not, but i do think it's pretty strange that he's content to be a completely marginal figure when he could be starting week-in week-out at a smaller club. it doesn't exactly scream a passion for the sport tbh. i dunno, maybe he just wants a chance of winning medals and playing in the odd big match - for a player only just into his 30s though, i do find it a bit of a weird attitude though.
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I think you've hit the nail squarely on the head Peter. He wants a league medal to round off his career. He doesnt care if he only had to plat the minimum (10?) games to get it. Man U are the only place he is likely to achieve that now
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At this rate of either play 10 games to qualify for the medal or Man U actually winning it this year, do you think he will actually finally get his hand onto the PL medal? Not likely imho.
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=42462.msg1207229#msg1207229 date=1288255487]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=42462.msg1207202#msg1207202 date=1288252572]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42462.msg1207196#msg1207196 date=1288252289]
i don't have anything against owen, really, and i couldn't give a fuck whether he loves the game of football or not, but i do think it's pretty strange that he's content to be a completely marginal figure when he could be starting week-in week-out at a smaller club. it doesn't exactly scream a passion for the sport tbh. i dunno, maybe he just wants a chance of winning medals and playing in the odd big match - for a player only just into his 30s though, i do find it a bit of a weird attitude though.
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I think you've hit the nail squarely on the head Peter. He wants a league medal to round off his career. He doesnt care if he only had to plat the minimum (10?) games to get it. Man U are the only place he is likely to achieve that now
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At this rate of either play 10 games to qualify for the medal or Man U actually winning it this year, do you think he will actually finally get his hand onto the PL medal? Not likely imho.
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Totally agree. But dont you also agree that it would be even less likely at Aston Villa or Stoke?
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=42462.msg1207202#msg1207202 date=1288252572]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42462.msg1207196#msg1207196 date=1288252289]
i don't have anything against owen, really, and i couldn't give a fuck whether he loves the game of football or not, but i do think it's pretty strange that he's content to be a completely marginal figure when he could be starting week-in week-out at a smaller club. it doesn't exactly scream a passion for the sport tbh. i dunno, maybe he just wants a chance of winning medals and playing in the odd big match - for a player only just into his 30s though, i do find it a bit of a weird attitude though.
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I think you've hit the nail squarely on the head Peter. He wants a league medal to round off his career. He doesnt care if he only had to plat the minimum (10?) games to get it. Man U are the only place he is likely to achieve that now
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At this rate of either play 10 games to qualify for the medal or Man U actually winning it this year, do you think he will actually finally get his hand onto the PL medal? Not likely imho.
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Totally agree. But dont you also agree that it would be even less likely at Aston Villa or Stoke?
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i don't have anything against owen, really, and i couldn't give a fuck whether he loves the game of football or not, but i do think it's pretty strange that he's content to be a completely marginal figure when he could be starting week-in week-out at a smaller club. it doesn't exactly scream a passion for the sport tbh. i dunno, maybe he just wants a chance of winning medals and playing in the odd big match - for a player only just into his 30s though, i do find it a bit of a weird attitude though.
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I think you've hit the nail squarely on the head Peter. He wants a league medal to round off his career. He doesnt care if he only had to plat the minimum (10?) games to get it. Man U are the only place he is likely to achieve that now
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At this rate of either play 10 games to qualify for the medal or Man U actually winning it this year, do you think he will actually finally get his hand onto the PL medal? Not likely imho.
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Totally agree. But dont you also agree that it would be even less likely at Aston Villa or Stoke?
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Agree x2
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i don't have anything against owen, really, and i couldn't give a fuck whether he loves the game of football or not, but i do think it's pretty strange that he's content to be a completely marginal figure when he could be starting week-in week-out at a smaller club. it doesn't exactly scream a passion for the sport tbh. i dunno, maybe he just wants a chance of winning medals and playing in the odd big match - for a player only just into his 30s though, i do find it a bit of a weird attitude though.
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I think you've hit the nail squarely on the head Peter. He wants a league medal to round off his career. He doesnt care if he only had to plat the minimum (10?) games to get it. Man U are the only place he is likely to achieve that now
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At this rate of either play 10 games to qualify for the medal or Man U actually winning it this year, do you think he will actually finally get his hand onto the PL medal? Not likely imho.
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Totally agree. But dont you also agree that it would be even less likely at Aston Villa or Stoke?
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Agree x2
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Babbel was very good in his first season here. He has been out in the cold since, and you cant brand him as "doesnt give a shit" by those circumstances. He might not be good enough, but it is a normal human reaction todrop your head when you feelyour not wanted/not given a chance. You would do the same if your boss kept assigning to shit work. You would not perform your best. These are normal reactions, and to brand them like that is bullshit.
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Can and will, if it wasn't so blatant at times then maybe not but it is. If I was that unhappy I would change job, anyway you missed the point it wasn't really anything to do with Babel all I was saying is goals scored has little to do with commitment.
Babbel was very good in his first season here. He has been out in the cold since, and you cant brand him as "doesnt give a shit" by those circumstances. He might not be good enough, but it is a normal human reaction todrop your head when you feelyour not wanted/not given a chance. You would do the same if your boss kept assigning to shit work. You would not perform your best. These are normal reactions, and to brand them like that is bullshit.
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Can and will, if it wasn't so blatant at times then maybe not but it is. If I was that unhappy I would change job, anyway you missed the point it wasn't really anything to do with Babel all I was saying is goals scored has little to do with commitment.
Babbel was very good indeed in his first season here. Babel wasn't. He wouldn't have been "out in the cold" if he had been.
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[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=42462.msg1207216#msg1207216 date=1288254718]
Babbel was very good in his first season here. He has been out in the cold since, and you cant brand him as "doesnt give a shit" by those circumstances. He might not be good enough, but it is a normal human reaction todrop your head when you feelyour not wanted/not given a chance. You would do the same if your boss kept assigning to shit work. You would not perform your best. These are normal reactions, and to brand them like that is bullshit.
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Can and will, if it wasn't so blatant at times then maybe not but it is. If I was that unhappy I would change job, anyway you missed the point it wasn't really anything to do with Babel all I was saying is goals scored has little to do with commitment.
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I think a few people have heavily missed the point with Owen. The point with him is he's always been a careerist, we knew that when he was at Liverpool, he was never treated with the same affinity as Fowler, often criminally so, because he just never felt like a true Kopite for whatever reasons. He used to talk about his goals and love for 'England', while going through injury or barren spells with Liverpool and this used to draw criticism too.
At the end of the day, he was mainly about personal glory, rightly or wrongly, and his ambitions were high because he was one of the most gifted forwards the country has EVER seen, so rightly he wanted the medals to match his talent. If that paints him as cold towards any particular club and appearing to lack loyalty then so be it, but he never struck me as a money grabber nor a mercenary. Sure he could have given Rafa a season, but he'd already carried Liverpool, much like Gerrard has, for several seasons and deserved a pat on the back and our best wishes, the only animosity was because it left us in a position where we only received a paltry sum, which was as much the fault of the club as his, and we'd got him for nothing and had some success and the prize money and revenue that goes with it anyway.
He's a top professional, he was a bit of a dick when it came to joining United, but he went for a move his career probably deserved, even if he'd only played a handful of games and got that league medal.
People saying he doesn't give a shit about the game, lacks ambition or lacks heart really don't know Michael Owen.
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Babbel was very good in his first season here. He has been out in the cold since, and you cant brand him as "doesnt give a shit" by those circumstances. He might not be good enough, but it is a normal human reaction todrop your head when you feelyour not wanted/not given a chance. You would do the same if your boss kept assigning to shit work. You would not perform your best. These are normal reactions, and to brand them like that is bullshit.
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Can and will, if it wasn't so blatant at times then maybe not but it is. If I was that unhappy I would change job, anyway you missed the point it wasn't really anything to do with Babel all I was saying is goals scored has little to do with commitment.
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I think a few people have heavily missed the point with Owen. The point with him is he's always been a careerist, we knew that when he was at Liverpool, he was never treated with the same affinity as Fowler, often criminally so, because he just never felt like a true Kopite for whatever reasons. He used to talk about his goals and love for 'England', while going through injury or barren spells with Liverpool and this used to draw criticism too.
At the end of the day, he was mainly about personal glory, rightly or wrongly, and his ambitions were high because he was one of the most gifted forwards the country has EVER seen, so rightly he wanted the medals to match his talent. If that paints him as cold towards any particular club and appearing to lack loyalty then so be it, but he never struck me as a money grabber nor a mercenary. Sure he could have given Rafa a season, but he'd already carried Liverpool, much like Gerrard has, for several seasons and deserved a pat on the back and our best wishes, the only animosity was because it left us in a position where we only received a paltry sum, which was as much the fault of the club as his, and we'd got him for nothing and had some success and the prize money and revenue that goes with it anyway.
He's a top professional, he was a bit of a dick when it came to joining United, but he went for a move his career probably deserved, even if he'd only played a handful of games and got that league medal.
People saying he doesn't give a shit about the game, lacks ambition or lacks heart really don't know Michael Owen.
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i don't have anything against owen, really, and i couldn't give a fuck whether he loves the game of football or not, but i do think it's pretty strange that he's content to be a completely marginal figure when he could be starting week-in week-out at a smaller club. it doesn't exactly scream a passion for the sport tbh. i dunno, maybe he just wants a chance of winning medals and playing in the odd big match - for a player only just into his 30s though, i do find it a bit of a weird attitude though.
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I think you've hit the nail squarely on the head Peter. He wants a league medal to round off his career. He doesnt care if he only had to plat the minimum (10?) games to get it. Man U are the only place he is likely to achieve that now
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Maybe he just doesn't want to be hanging around Muppets anymore.
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i don't have anything against owen, really, and i couldn't give a fuck whether he loves the game of football or not, but i do think it's pretty strange that he's content to be a completely marginal figure when he could be starting week-in week-out at a smaller club. it doesn't exactly scream a passion for the sport tbh. i dunno, maybe he just wants a chance of winning medals and playing in the odd big match - for a player only just into his 30s though, i do find it a bit of a weird attitude though.
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I think you've hit the nail squarely on the head Peter. He wants a league medal to round off his career. He doesnt care if he only had to plat the minimum (10?) games to get it. Man U are the only place he is likely to achieve that now
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Maybe he just doesn't want to be hanging around Muppets anymore.
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Babbel was very good indeed in his first season here. Babel wasn't. He wouldn't have been "out in the cold" if he had been.
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This.
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Babel had a decent and promising opening season, and denying it is just fucking stupid.
At the time he wasn't frozen out because he was shit. He was frozen out because we needed more width and balance to the side, which Riera bought, and since then his career has halted and declined dramatically. He should have been given more games and opportunities in his second season - but I'm past caring now to argue about it at any great length.
He's failed.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42462.msg1207527#msg1207527 date=1288287700]
Babbel was very good indeed in his first season here. Babel wasn't. He wouldn't have been "out in the cold" if he had been.
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This.
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Babel had a decent and promising opening season, and denying it is just fucking stupid.
At the time he wasn't frozen out because he was shit. He was frozen out because we needed more width and balance to the side, which Riera bought, and since then his career has halted and declined dramatically. He should have been given more games and opportunities in his second season - but I'm past caring now to argue about it at any great length.
He's failed.
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