Huntelaar
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The new improved contract offer, which he has rejected, is 8 mill.
So its a bit lower than that. Still, he'll command a decent wage. I'd rather give it to him than Cole/Downing/ Carroll.
Can you name some other players were this is true and did happen after they signed for a new club?
And I'd like to add that Huntelaar is a looong way from being past it.
I'll bet he could have a career like Raul, who was 33 when he joined Schalke, yet scored 28 in 66 games.
And dont say Joe Cole.
I'd like to add, that the best manager in the league just took a similar risk with an injury plagued palyer and 3 times the mentioned fee of Huntelaar. Now he's topscorer in the league and they are in 1st place.
Downing.
I've been telling you all what would likely happen with Reina for the last two years.
Are you trying to tell me if we sign Huntelaar he'll be top scorer and we'll be in first place? Ha
It was said earlier, we should be looking for players to be playing with Sterling, Shelvey, Suso et al instead of putting lipstick on a pig. Which even if it turned out well would be what we're doin by signing Huntelaar. Your suggested approach is what has us in the shits. It's time to take the spade out of our hands and stop digging the hole we're in further
Downing and Reina? Thats your answer?
No, I'm not suggesting that at all. I'm saying you take a caluculated risk when its for the good of the team and the variables are telling you it will be a good deal.
He'll score goals if he signs. 7 mill fee is worth the high wages (approx 90-100k)
If you could build a team of 18/19 year olds than thats brilliant. Except you need som experience aswell.
What got us in the shits was signing shite players with high wages and high transfer fees.
NOT cheapish experienced world class finishers who deserve a high wage.
This decline you harp on about is dependent on several variables and attributes.
There are players you should stay well clear of at that age, and there are players were you know you'll do a good deal.
No, I'm not suggesting that at all. I'm saying you take a caluculated risk when its for the good of the team and the variables are telling you it will be a good deal.
He'll score goals if he signs. 7 mill fee is worth the high wages (approx 90-100k)
If you could build a team of 18/19 year olds than thats brilliant. Except you need som experience aswell.
What got us in the shits was signing shite players with high wages and high transfer fees.
NOT cheapish experienced world class finishers who deserve a high wage.
This decline you harp on about is dependent on several variables and attributes.
There are players you should stay well clear of at that age, and there are players were you know you'll do a good deal.
I dont have a problem signing him at the right price but as I said earlier I have not seen anything anywhere to suggest that he has any intention of coming to us.
His name is Samed Yesil.
I see your point, but if we're talking 6 million and a 3 year contract for Klaas, I say it's worth some lipstick 'cos this pig really needs to score.
I'm guessing he would do OK but
1. I doubt he'd want to come, &
2. I can't see our owners forking out a sizeable signing-on fee and 100k+ a week for someone who will be 30 before he kicks a ball for us
1. I doubt he'd want to come, &
2. I can't see our owners forking out a sizeable signing-on fee and 100k+ a week for someone who will be 30 before he kicks a ball for us
Failed At AC Milan, failed at Madria, will fail in England if he comes.
I don't get why people say he 'failed' ... Oh well, if anything, the above is THE sign we all need as to why he'd do fine here.
Yeah but they're both big clubs competing at the top, he'd probably fit in ok at a midtable club like ours.
Can you explain to me why he failed? Owen couldn't start regularly at Madrid, had a similar goal per game return, and no one says 'he failed.'
He scored 8 goals in 20 games for Madrid - and that's a failure?! Nearly 1 in 2. I wish some of our forwards could be such failures.
So he's scored a bucket load of goals between the Dutch, Spanish and German leagues and you think he's a failure LOL
Im not exactly a fan of huntelaar as im not a fan of slow strikers and seems to have an attitude. But your logic is flawed. There's been many good players that have failed at clubs and gone on to do well at other clubs e.g henry, bergkamp, mascherano and forlan just to name some off the top of my head. Im sure if i was to give it some thought i could think of more.
Erm, I didn't say he failed mate. Dreamy did.
I actually talked up his record earlier on in this thread somewhere.
I know it's not you. I'm just trying to get someone to explain to me why he failed ... have a good weekend sir.
Do you remember why they signed him? Was it like the Owen signing? "World class finisher, let's get him for the bench!"
That was the season when they signed both him and Diarra in january and then realised after that they can only play one of them in the champions league as they had played UEFA cup games. But Higuain was the main man that year so he was never going to get ahead of him.
It's simple really. "Hunter" thrives when teams build their play around him and play to his strengths. If he is just one of the strikers, he struggles. It's a pretty common trait for strikers who are "pure goalscorers" and don't have enough all-around game to adapt if coaches try to use them in different roles or tinker with their game. Mario Gomez is a similar player - brilliant as the team's main spearhead, but useless as a squad player. Pure goalscorers usually need games to keep them sharp. Very few are able to play sporadically and still keep their goalscoring instincts and form intact and Hunter hasn't shown this ability in his career so far. And if a player like Huntelaar is not scoring, he is worse than useless.
So the question is, are we going to build our game around Huntelaar? Another relevant question is this: do you think Suarez has turned the corner as a CF and from now on should be played in that position (which would relegate Huntelaar to the bench in most games), or do you think he can be just as effective on the wing?
In my opinion, Rodgers should not buy Huntelaar unless he is prepared to give him consistent playing time as a starting CF and move Suarez back to the right wing, thus recreating the productive partnership Suarez and Huntelaar had at Ajax for 2 seasons. It could work very well. Personally, at this point I would be more curious to see how Suarez would perform as a CF/false 9 if he is given better partners on the wings. But the idea of buying a conventional CF and moving Suarez back to the wing might be more practical in the end.
So the question is, are we going to build our game around Huntelaar? Another relevant question is this: do you think Suarez has turned the corner as a CF and from now on should be played in that position (which would relegate Huntelaar to the bench in most games), or do you think he can be just as effective on the wing?
In my opinion, Rodgers should not buy Huntelaar unless he is prepared to give him consistent playing time as a starting CF and move Suarez back to the right wing, thus recreating the productive partnership Suarez and Huntelaar had at Ajax for 2 seasons. It could work very well. Personally, at this point I would be more curious to see how Suarez would perform as a CF/false 9 if he is given better partners on the wings. But the idea of buying a conventional CF and moving Suarez back to the wing might be more practical in the end.
He did very well with Raul as he's partner, no?
By "one of the strikers" I meant as a part of a 4-5 striker rotation (like he was at Real and AC Milan). He proved that he can play with a partner in a 4-4-2, if the other striker is intelligent enough to drop deeper and play between the lines (like Raul did so well).
If you had asked me that a few games ago i would have agreed. But right now suarez seems to be thriving on the false 9 and improving with every game. No way would i move him from the middle now. What we need are goalscoring partners on the wing. I'd like sturridge and walcott on either side of suarez with them all interchanging.
He won't have that issue with us - he'll start most of the games (if he signs obviously, which I don't think he will). I don't think his stats at Real or AC were that bad considering the rotation!
As for the last comment, Suarez is thankfully clever enough and has done it with Huntelaar before. So I'd be optimistic if they were to be reunited.
Then there is the issue of his wages. With our new wage structure i can't see our owners authorising such high wages for someone of his age.
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