Howard Webb

[LeTallecWiz]

Two questions - and answer them without the 'red goggles':

1) The Penalty
I thought the foul occurred out of the box. I thought the yellow was the wrong color card - Valencia was in for a 1 on 1 and it should have been a straight Red & a free kick outside the box.
2) Fletcher vs Kuyt
How does he not get a Red here? Two kicks out at Kuyt?

Bar the 'red card' miss, I thought Webb was very much favoring the Mancs the whole game. I thought he was very poor

 

[the_khl]

Webb is one of the worst of a big bunch of bad referees in the Premiership.

 

[SaintGeorge67]

1. It wasn't a penalty, but Masher shouldn't have forced him into a decision he could get wrong. Wouldn't have argued with a red, although maybe Agger was close enough.

2. Fletcher should have gone.

 

[FoxForceFive]

Penalty was a penalty.Every day of the fucking week.

However, Webb was poor, & Fletcher's kick deserved a red.

 

[IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts]

Yea it looked like contact started outside the box.

 

[Terrier]

He also let Torres "penalty kick " lash pass, as well as some pretty nasty Carra challenges slip.

Webb ain't to blame for the loss.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=Terrier link=topic=39436.msg1074278#msg1074278 date=1269186069]
Webb ain't to blame for the loss.
[/quote]

Who blamed him for the loss?

 

[The Nomad]

[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=39436.msg1074265#msg1074265 date=1269185900]
although maybe Agger was close enough.


[/quote]

Eh?? Do you mean Carragher?? Agger was the one raped to go one on one.

 

[Avmenon]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=39436.msg1074292#msg1074292 date=1269186280]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=39436.msg1074278#msg1074278 date=1269186069]
Webb ain't to blame for the loss.
[/quote]

Who blamed him for the loss?
[/quote]

Wait a while.

 

[Rosco]

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=39436.msg1074270#msg1074270 date=1269185965]
Penalty was a penalty.Every day of the fucking week.
[/quote]

I don't think it was clear to be honest Jon. I can see why he gave it but I wouldn't say it was definitely a penalty or a free kick, there's an argument for both.

 

[The Nomad]

I don't think anyone is questioning it was a foul...

But by the laws of the game it was a free-kick. The 1st offense occurred outside the box, and Valencia knew that as soon as he was getting in the box he was going to ground.

 

[SaintGeorge67]

[quote author=Mr_V link=topic=39436.msg1074296#msg1074296 date=1269186393]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=39436.msg1074265#msg1074265 date=1269185900]
although maybe Agger was close enough.


[/quote]

Eh?? Do you mean Carragher?? Agger was the one raped to go one on one.
[/quote]

Yeah whoever it was

 

[Avmenon]

Who here believes that with the way we played, we'd have defended a 1-0 lead until FT.

(assuming the penalty wasnt given)

That's what I thought.

 

[Rosco]

I don't think there's anything in the rules about a "1st offence" Mr. V. I'm not aware of any hard or fast rule which states that it should have been one or the other

 

[spider-Neil]

the rules are supposed to favour the attacker rather than the defender rather webb could have in his mind played the advantage because valencia still had the ball and then punished the blatent foul in the box when valencia could run no further.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=39436.msg1074258#msg1074258 date=1269185793]
Two questions - and answer them without the 'red goggles':

1) The Penalty
I thought the foul occurred out of the box. I thought the yellow was the wrong color card - Valencia was in for a 1 on 1 and it should have been a straight Red & a free kick outside the box.
2) Fletcher vs Kuyt
How does he not get a Red here? Two kicks out at Kuyt?

Bar the 'red card' miss, I thought Webb was very much favoring the Mancs the whole game. I thought he was very poor
[/quote]

What happened with the Neville v Maxi thing aswell? I loathe that cunt.

I thought the decision for the penalty could have gone either way, Masher let go on the edge of the box AND there was a defender to the left of Valencia anyway who potentially could have covered.

Fletcher should have at least had a yellow for kicking out at Kuyt, and he ran in raising his arms while Kuyt kept his hands by his side.

 

[Judge Jules]

No WAY was the penalty decision justified. The foul was outside the box and Masher wasn't touching the Manc bastard any more by the time he dived in the area. Appalling decision.

You've all missed the studs-up challenge by Nani on Lucas, which Nani got away with because he came off worse while Lucas walked away.

Webb is one of the most overrated referees I've ever seen. I called him before the game and I'm only sorry to have been proven so painfully right.

 

[Shadey]

I don't think it was a pen as it was outside the box..

And webb loves taking it from slurgie up the shitter..

 

[jexykrodic]

It was a Manchester United player racing in on goal at Old Trafford in front of 70 odd thousand baying fans, it was always going to be a penalty. Where the foul started, intent etc etc... pointless details and excuses. Any referee would've given it.

Had it been a Liverpool player at Anfield, we'd have got the Pen. The crowd sways the ref, we've had loads of dubious pens down the years.

As for the game, tight, not many chances; had Fernando or Yossi forced home the late chance we had and got us the draw we'd have been lucky. We weren't. Had this season written all over it.

 

[Glock21]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=39436.msg1074258#msg1074258 date=1269185793]
Two questions - and answer them without the 'red goggles':

1) The Penalty
I thought the foul occurred out of the box. I thought the yellow was the wrong color card - Valencia was in for a 1 on 1 and it should have been a straight Red & a free kick outside the box.
2) Fletcher vs Kuyt
How does he not get a Red here? Two kicks out at Kuyt?

Bar the 'red card' miss, I thought Webb was very much favoring the Mancs the whole game. I thought he was very poor
[/quote]

1. It wasn't a penalty as it happened outside the box. Valencia made a meal out of it and fell in the box. Gerrard sometimes do that, so its karma. As for Mascher not getting red, its because he is not our last man. Carra is. Simple as.

2. Webb should at least give Flasher a yellow.

Having said that, we should not have let their 2nd goal in...poor fucking defending again.

 

[Avmenon]

[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=39436.msg1074767#msg1074767 date=1269242407]
It was a Manchester United player racing in on goal at Old Trafford in front of 70 odd thousand baying fans, it was always going to be a penalty. Where the foul started, intent etc etc... pointless details and excuses. Any referee would've given it.

Had it been a Liverpool player at Anfield, we'd have got the Pen. The crowd sways the ref, we've had loads of dubious pens down the years.

As for the game, tight, not many chances; had Fernando or Yossi forced home the late chance we had and got us the draw we'd have been lucky. We weren't. Had this season written all over it.
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OUr season isnt just down to being 'unlucky'.

 

[jexykrodic]

[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=39436.msg1074790#msg1074790 date=1269246299]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=39436.msg1074767#msg1074767 date=1269242407]
It was a Manchester United player racing in on goal at Old Trafford in front of 70 odd thousand baying fans, it was always going to be a penalty. Where the foul started, intent etc etc... pointless details and excuses. Any referee would've given it.

Had it been a Liverpool player at Anfield, we'd have got the Pen. The crowd sways the ref, we've had loads of dubious pens down the years.

As for the game, tight, not many chances; had Fernando or Yossi forced home the late chance we had and got us the draw we'd have been lucky. We weren't. Had this season written all over it.
[/quote]

OUr season isnt just down to being 'unlucky'.
[/quote]

No shit! just being unlucky wasn't my meaning anyway. Just that when you think things can't get any worse, they do! We've not been able to find any form or consistency all season for a myriad of reasons.

Is it managerial incompetence, is it disaffected players; is it lack of leadership and resources from the directors; or all of it? Ask that question you get a selection of responses, like our form - you can't put your finger on it.

 

[Avmenon]

It's unlikely there's just one reason, true.

There's lots; the problem now is whether there's a solution 🙁

 

[Richey]

Howard Webb is normally one of the better refs to be fair but I don't think he had a great game yesterday.

The penalty could've gone either way but he did seem rather card happy in the first half against our players, not theirs. I don't recall us being any dirtier than them.

It wasn't one of those refereeing performances that is so bad it really changes the game in a cig way though. It just could've been better.

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=39436.msg1074804#msg1074804 date=1269249380]
Howard Webb is normally one of the better refs to be fair but I don't think he had a great game yesterday.

The penalty could've gone either way but he did seem rather card happy in the first half against our players, not theirs. I don't recall us being any dirtier than them.

It wasn't one of those refereeing performances that is so bad it really changes the game in a cig way though. It just could've been better.
[/quote]

People keep saying this and I cannot understand why. Each time I see Webb "perform" he drops at least one major game-changing ricket.

And sorry but he did change the game yesterday, which should have ended in a draw.

 

[ibromurph]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=39436.msg1074804#msg1074804 date=1269249380]
Howard Webb is normally one of the better refs to be fair but I don't think he had a great game yesterday.

The penalty could've gone either way but he did seem rather card happy in the first half against our players, not theirs. I don't recall us being any dirtier than them.

It wasn't one of those refereeing performances that is so bad it really changes the game in a cig way though. It just could've been better.
[/quote]

Agreed. The pen looked a pen at 1st viewing and whilst he was slightly biased to them and very card happy towards our players, what do you expect at Old Trafford? We enjoy the same bias at Anfield on many occasions.

It wasn't one those poor refereeing performances that I feel merits derision. Webb isn't the reason we didn't attack throughout the game. He isn't the reason why Fernando missed 2 good opportunities towards the end, 1 of them a glaring miss.

 

[Judge Jules]

All that you say about our failings is true, but irrelevant. Even with all that, we'd have got what might be a vital point but for Webb's incompetence.

 

[Oncy]

Ii didn't really disagree with any of his decisions. It was a bit homey, but there you go.
Howard Webb isn't the issue in the season of one per game scapegoats.
Ultimately we've been shite too often and lost 16 games.

 

[cochyn]

Webb fucked up three significant desicions yesterday!!

1. The Penalty
2. Kuyt vs Fletcher
3. ratboy vs maxi

the first is a messy situation that is easy to get wrong and happens often, the second two where school boy unforgivable errors!