Henderson

[Modo]

I stole this post from RAWK, but it pretty much illustrates my thoughts about the midfield and Henderson.

Im not scared of calling anyone out. We need upgrades on Lucas, Gerrard AND Henderson to challenge for the league. Midfield is our weakest area.

We've spent 68m or so on midfielders since selling Alonso and Masch and we're still in dire need of investment there. Gerrard and Lucas have both lost a yard of pace in recent years due to years and injuries and it has badly affected their mobility. Henderson lacks the technique or goal threat to be a good option for us. All 3 have strengths (Henderson is his running for example) but overall are not good enough anymore or never will be.

Our next signing HAS to be a monster center mid. It's the biggest weak point in our side.

There's been a huge desperation on here and in certain podcasts to elevate Henderson into a key player in our side. Even in his first season when he was generally absolutely awful and anonymous (getting subbed off at half time several times), people were clutching at whatever small straw with Henderson. I remember The Anfield Wrap towards Easter of his first season desperately trying to sell him as a "great signing"

That desperation for me is borne out of a few things: 1) The potential in Henderson which at times, but rarely, points to him developing into a good player and 2) The desire for people to be less embarrassed at Kenny's 2011 Summer dealings by having at least one good signing from that bunch 3) People wanting to be proved right after defending the obscene amount of money we payed for him

That desperation leads to ridiculous efforts to magnify any good things he does. For example, a previous post I quoted said he was MOTM several times this season- he never has been. He's had a couple of games where his running has been very useful (United for example), a couple of others where he did ok and a few where he's been average or downright awful (Sunderland away for example).

He's been compared to a multitude of players, from Xavi, to Lampard to Milner to Gerrard. People see him run a lot and press the ball well and that's enough for him to have had a "great game".

Our standards have gone downhill so fast, and our expectations of him too, that that's all it takes nowadays. I remember him playing an amazing through ball for Downing at City in Jan 2012. When's the last time you saw a Henderson pass cut an entire defense open? I remember his first goal vs Bolton and his performance there after in August 2011. When's the last time you saw him impact our attacking play in the same manner?

Have you seen how long it takes for him to turn on the ball? Where other midfielders take one touch, Henderson takes 3 or 4. His supposed "brilliant" passing skills now revolve on him taking 3 or 4 touches and passing it backwards.

It's happened without a lot of people realising it, but Jordan Henderson has become Rodgers' poor man's Dirk Kuyt. Someone who runs around alot and harries defenders and wins the ball back, but has little creativity and goal threat. Kuyt was always likely to come up with a goal, it's a surprise when Henderson does. Kuyt had a warrior mentality and stepped up when others had poor games. Henderson rarely does.

Is this the player you thought Henderson would develop into? Because, quite frankly, he offers nothing else. No creativity, no goal threat, no great tackling etc... He's a harrier and a runner. And forgive me, but in my opinion Liverpool Football Club should expect a shitload more from a player in the final third who's become a first 11 starter. We shouldn't be in a situation where 10 league games into the season, a player who's mostly played in the final third and started every game has 0 goals and 0 assists.

There are other issues in the side, especially in midfield (as I said previously, we should be looking to upgrade on all 3), but no other player is elevated like Henderson is. It's ridiculous at times. He's no longer a kid. He'll be 24 next Summer, the age Steven Gerrard was when he lifted the European cup for us. People still say Henderson is Gerrard's replacement. It's, quite frankly, absolutely laughable.

 

[cloggypop]

Why not just reply to it on RAWK?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Odd that you quote an article which starts with, "Im not scared of calling anyone out. We need upgrades on Lucas, Gerrard AND Henderson to challenge for the league. Midfield is our weakest area" when you have become one of the most vocal Lucas'ists out here, making it seem as if he's the second coming of Claude M.

Since we haven't done it in a while, how much do you hate Henderson?

 

[Modo]

Why not just reply to it on RAWK?

Why should I?

 

[Modo]

Odd that you quote an article which starts with, "Im not scared of calling anyone out. We need upgrades on Lucas, Gerrard AND Henderson to challenge for the league. Midfield is our weakest area" when you have become one of the most vocal Lucas'ists out here, making it seem as if he's the second coming of Claude M.

Since we haven't done it in a while, how much do you hate Henderson?

About as much as @Woland does.

 

[mark1975]

So you choose to carry on this "lets deflect blame from Lucas, by pointing out how shit Henderson is" charade, by quoting a post that tells us both of them are shit.

You really are the shittest troll in the history of shit trolls.

 

[RedZeppelin III]

Im not scared of calling anyone out. We need upgrades on Lucas, Gerrard AND Henderson to challenge for the league. Midfield is our weakest area.

We've spent 68m or so on midfielders since selling Alonso and Masch and we're still in dire need of investment there

considering that we nearly always play 3 in midfield , it's strange that we have so few options for the role with just Allen and Alberto as backup. I wonder if we continue with the 3-5-2 will coutinho take one of these positions . I don't see why not for most games .

 

[Modo]

So you choose to carry on this "lets deflect blame from Lucas, by pointing out how shit Henderson is" charade, by quoting a post that tells us both of them are shit.

You really are the shittest troll in the history of shit trolls.

Yeah that post is about 99% Lucas and 1% Henderson.

 

[mark1975]

considering that we nearly always play 3 in midfield , it's strange that we have so few options for the role with just Allen and Alberto as backup. I wonder if we continue with the 3-5-2 will coutinho take one of these positions . I don't see why not for most games .

He should do, he's probably the best of the lot of them at the moment, including Gerrard.

The problem with playing either Coutinho or Alberto in that position is it just highlights even more the lack of tenacity and brawn in the middle of the park. Let's face it, whatever combination we play has it's flaws, because at least two of the three are always going to be not quite good enough in that role.

 

[mark1975]

Yeah that post is about 99% Lucas and 1% Henderson.

Well it's from RAWK, which is renowned for loving Lucas and hating players like Carragher, so it's right up your street. No wonder you agree with it. You do realise, apart from a few mentalists, anyone who's tried to register on RAWK from this place, has usually ended up banned within a day, for being a bit too aloof in their opinions when it comes to mediocre players like Lucas and recognising what a legend looks like.

We should be grateful you act as a constant reminder that those mental cunts still exist. Nice one.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

About as much as @Woland does.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Modo]

Well it's from RAWK, which is renowned for loving Lucas and hating players like Carragher, so it's right up your street. No wonder you agree with it. You do realise, apart from a few mentalists, anyone who's tried to register on RAWK from this place, has usually ended up banned within a day, for being a bit too aloof in their opinions when it comes to mediocre players like Lucas and recognising what a legend looks like.

We should be grateful you act as a constant reminder that those mental cunts still exist. Nice one.

modokay,

You have received a warning regarding the quality of your posts on this forum. Your post history displays serial negativity.

If you wish to continue posting in the RAWK community please try and put a little more effort into your contributions.

Regards,
The Red and White Kop Liverpool FC Forum Team.

For complaining about Carra mostly. In your face.

 

[mark1975]

For complaining about Carra mostly. In your face.

So you got a warning for being a troll about Carragher, why doesn't that surprise me?

As for RAWK warning you, well they're also renowned for wanting everyone to be happy clappy about everything. And they ARE renowned for having an agenda against Carragher, for being one of the few who came out and spoke negatively about Rafa after his departure. You can't slag off Rafa on there, nor Lucas by association.

 

[singlerider]

Odd.

I got banned for defending Carra (I presume, it was about the only thing I had posted there in an age, and there was no stated justification for it)

 

[LeTallecWiz]

THERE'S ONLY ONE JORDAN HENDERSON! ONE JORDAN HENDERSON!!!

 

[Fabio]

Swear to god I'm going to lock some fuckers in a minute

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Odd.

I got banned for defending Carra (I presume, it was about the only thing I had posted there in an age, and there was no stated justification for it)

Mate, you got banned for posting about that time you did that Marylin Manson thing in the bathroom.

 

[singlerider]

Mate, you got banned for posting about that time you did that Marylin Manson thing in the bathroom.

Nah, it's RAWK.

They're well up for a bit of sucking their own cocks, have you never been on there?

 

[Markeh]

all we need now is a thread called Gerrard

 

[Modo]

I rarely post anything on RAWK. I'm mostly there to lurk.

 

[RedZeppelin III]

He should do, he's probably the best of the lot of them at the moment, including Gerrard.

The problem with playing either Coutinho or Alberto in that position is it just highlights even more the lack of tenacity and brawn in the middle of the park. Let's face it, whatever combination we play has it's flaws, because at least two of the three are always going to be not quite good enough in that role.

when we played 3-5-2 in the 90s we allowed mcmanaman to play the role just behind the front 2 . He had licence to go wherever he wanted if i remember correctly . It would be interesting to see Coutihno do the same although Sturridge and Suarez will move around alot also especially compared to Fowler and collymore , they might trip over each other at times .

 

[mark1975]

when we played 3-5-2 in the 90s we allowed mcmanaman to play the role just behind the front 2 . He had licence to go wherever he wanted if i remember correctly . It would be interesting to see Coutihno do the same although Sturridge and Suarez will move around alot also especially compared to Fowler and collymore , they might trip over each other at times .

Potentially though, the movement between the three of them is and exciting prospect, and a nightmare for teams to defend against.

 

[mark1975]

Swear to god I'm going to lock some fuckers in a minute

I'm done Fabs, he's clearly on a wind up. Soz for getting drawn into it and giving him abuse, but he asks for it.
So to avoid giving the thread any more air time, I'm off. Some really hypocritical crap has gone on in these two threads between Modo and O'Hare. You know, Ryan, who's forever hounding the likes of Pat and Fox, but has the cheek to say "remember when people used to respect him" because I've dared to criticise one of his blind spots. Like I said, I'm fucked if I'm giving either of them the satisfaction of getting drawn into their spats anymore. Funny how they are both the two posters on here who feel inclined to bump old threads to prove a point, could anyone be more shallow?

Laters.

 

[Buddha]

I think the rawk post is pretty accurate. He was dire yesterday.

 

[Red Mullet]

I rarely post anything on RAWK. I'm mostly there to lurk.

Can you lurk more on here rather than post please?

Thanks

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Nah, it's RAWK.

They're well up for a bit of sucking their own cocks, have you never been on there?

Nope - is it worthwhile to try it?

 

[Modo]

Can you lurk more on here rather than post please?

Thanks

Hahaha in your dreams.

 

[StevieM]

I think Henderson's very average.

He's not alone in that respect.

 

[Leo]

No wonder top posters are leaving the site when they're are stupid cunts starting shit threads for the sake of being a dick.
Tragic prick is modo

 

[rurikbird]

Henderson's overall play has improved tremendously in the last 2 seasons. If he adds goals to his game, he can become undroppable.