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Can you let me know (only cuz I'm curious) what you see as massive improvement?
Id like to be part of that Spurs/Arsenal/Everton group challenging the top 3
That is a-ok for me too.
The Yanks can fuck off and take Mr Rodgers with them.... i am so tired off being poo.
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Unless we get relegated I'd stick with Rodgers for at least two Seasons.
All this chopping and changing of managers and personel no-end won't help us at all, whether Rodgers will in the long run is also a big question mind, but at least he should be given the support, time and space no matter how bleak we've looked at times.
Rome wasn't build in a day and all that.
All this chopping and changing of managers and personel no-end won't help us at all, whether Rodgers will in the long run is also a big question mind, but at least he should be given the support, time and space no matter how bleak we've looked at times.
Rome wasn't build in a day and all that.
I disagree. You don't stick with a manager for the sake of it.
Right now he's still got time on his side and hopefully he can build something here. If there are still very little signs of progress further down the line he should be given his marching orders.
Blind support doesn't make you a better supporter and I'd certainly hope it isn't a quality of our management (though I don't really know what their qualities are at this point).
Right now he's still got time on his side and hopefully he can build something here. If there are still very little signs of progress further down the line he should be given his marching orders.
Blind support doesn't make you a better supporter and I'd certainly hope it isn't a quality of our management (though I don't really know what their qualities are at this point).
I think November next is the time to assess if im honest.
That would be three transfer windows and a full pre-season.
If between August and November we dont see a proper team with proper ideas then i would want change.
And I dont mean straight victories next season, but less gutless and less shite.
That would be three transfer windows and a full pre-season.
If between August and November we dont see a proper team with proper ideas then i would want change.
And I dont mean straight victories next season, but less gutless and less shite.
I don't think so.
The squad isn't great but it's not as bad it often looks. For all those pointing to the players / team being shit, I'd invite you to create a thread and do a direct comparison to some of the teams around / above us. See how badly we compare.
The truth is we made a bad mistake with Hodgson and then appointed Kenny as interim manager, which should have been the end of it. Now we've taken a punt with a young up'n'comer. It's not like we've brought in tried and tested to work with these players and there is only one inescapable conclusion, is it?
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In general I agree Keni.
But I also believe the club has made a clear statement of intent handing the job to a young manager like Rodgers, that wants his team to play possession-based football. We have a plan, and this is how we want to play football.
At times we've played very well but he's young and he's still learning to walk it seems, and there will come games like the ones last night again but hopefully far and in between.
If they were to give him the sack come Summer or let alone come January they'd send a new signal mind - We will give any new manager less than a few months to turn this wrecked ship around or we will sack you. Only few managers would accept that kind of working environment and even fewer would perform under such circumstances. And those who would would probably not turn on a show but more so grind out results. That's not the road we've chosen and personally I am very happy about that.
I actually admired the board and the owners will to send out a positive signal of intent when they hired a young, somewhat unexperinced manager with a clear intent of transforming Liverpool into a ball-playing team yet again. It's not by any means a bulletproof plan and I'm not convinced myself yet that Rodgers is the right man, but they can't change their mind so soon.
They need to stick to the plan at least untill it's evident it didn't work out.
I've said for a while now, there are flaws in the system. It was obvious away at West Brom, and again against Arsenal, United, Everton and Villa. We're too open, we lack steel in midfield to adequately protect the defense - given the fullbacks play as wingbacks and the centre backs are stretched, there's no real defensive responsibility or natural ability from the midfield. Yesterday Agger had to step forward into the space Lucas kept vacating, Skrtel was left isolated and as soon as they won the ball like this, we were done for. We conceded a goal like this the season before last at the Britannia. Agger stepped out of the backline, Crouch won the flick on and Walters was in. Why don't we learn from stuff like this? Why don't we rewatch stuff like this?
The fullbacks are having the length of the pitch to cover, they are expected to get to the byline, but are also expected to be tight as a unit. We all know fullbacks can be reasonably expected to do this, but only with the protection of an overlap and someone who will tuck in to cover. It just doesn't happen, the defensive midfielders don't cover well enough and when they do the issue becomes two-fold, the midfield is left with a fucking big hole to exploit.
Rodgers needs to earn his crust and realise he doesn't yet have the players to make his favoured system work, or maybe he just needs to realise that his ideas are too open to the counter attack and we need to make up for what we lack in ability, with numbers. Numbers when we go forward, and numbers when we defend, with cohesion and an understanding of what the fuck everyone is meant to be doing.
Personally, I'd start playing this:
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-----------Skrtel----Agger-----------
Johnson----Hendo------Enrique-
----------Allen-----Suso-------------
-Gerrard----Suarez----Sterling--
Still lacking in steel, but I think Hendo has had a good season so far and always looked bright and covered ground when he's played, certainly more than Allen and Lucas have so far. Suso is great when he breaks into the middle, more effective than Shelvey and co have been. The latter is in a poor run of form so could do with dropping to the bench. Add Sturridge to the mix though and it takes on different shape.
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-----------Skrtel----Agger-----------
Johnson----Hendo------Enrique-
----------Allen-----Suso-------------
-Gerrard----Suarez----Sterling--
Still lacking in steel, but I think Hendo has had a good season so far and always looked bright and covered ground when he's played, certainly more than Allen and Lucas have so far. Suso is great when he breaks into the middle, more effective than Shelvey and co have been. The latter is in a poor run of form so could do with dropping to the bench. Add Sturridge to the mix though and it takes on different shape.
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The squad is shite. But it's being further exposed by Rodgers approach to games. The young players are promising but not quite delivering, the older players are simply not delivering. Suarez is the only senior player that you can say is worth his wages.
The only people who think its a good squad are the same ones that think we'll finish fourth
It depends on your definition of 'shite' is, which perhaps is influenced by your expectations. If the expectations are fourth, then yes, it's not good enough. The squad is good enough to be doing better than it is right now, which would see us in the top 6...
But that doesn't define it as a poor squad, it's just poor value for money, it's still better than it's currently showing, unless you think at least 3 of the squads above us are better (aside from the big clubs).
Indeed.
I bet you could ask Ross for the time and he'd reply along the lines of "Liverpool has the worst squad in terms of value for money". Errrr thanks for that.
While we wait for improvements next season we shouldn't be getting worse than last season in key areas such as our ability to defend and weakness in the middle of the park.
I don't see how we are going to Improve next season based on the first half of this season.
Lifted from elsewhere but it says it all for me:
Rodgers record is exactly the same as Hodgsons during his 31 game campaign in charge of us:
Hodgson - P31 W13 D9 L9 F41 A33 GD+8 - Net Transfer Spend - Recouped £2.2mill
Rodgers - P31 W13 D9 L9 F48 A40 GD+8 - Net Transfer Spend - Spent £16.4mill
One manager was an old buffoon who insulted the fans and played direct negative football. The other is a young, smooth talking media darling who plays possession based football and tells the fans what they want to hear. At the end of the day many fans just care about the results, and neither of the managers above have come anywhere near hitting the standards this club must adhere to.
You get a mid-table manager, you get mid-table results
Rodgers record is exactly the same as Hodgsons during his 31 game campaign in charge of us:
Hodgson - P31 W13 D9 L9 F41 A33 GD+8 - Net Transfer Spend - Recouped £2.2mill
Rodgers - P31 W13 D9 L9 F48 A40 GD+8 - Net Transfer Spend - Spent £16.4mill
One manager was an old buffoon who insulted the fans and played direct negative football. The other is a young, smooth talking media darling who plays possession based football and tells the fans what they want to hear. At the end of the day many fans just care about the results, and neither of the managers above have come anywhere near hitting the standards this club must adhere to.
You get a mid-table manager, you get mid-table results
I do think its a poor squad anyway.
We've apparently been better than we're showing for three years now - I think that's bollocks.
Aston Villas last three games put our season and Rodgers system in its right perspective... If Mourinho fucks off to PSG we should get Ancelotti.
We are too good to content with those ambitions... but as long as we made that excuse allready I guess we dont need to perform.
Who said they're ambitions? People have pretty much said that we're a long way off and it's going to take time. I don't think anyone is really aspiring to getting beat by Stoke and Villa.
It's not about being content. You think Everton are content with where they've been for decades?!
It's about realism.
It's about realism.
You are part of what's wrong with modern football, sadly. Sometimes I wonder if you're even aware of how this club became great in the first place. (Clue: it wasn't by sacking its managers after one season in charge.)
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