i'd put him on the right when luis carroll is fit.
gerrard lucas ming maxi/cole
luis carroll
what say ye?
gerrard lucas ming maxi/cole
luis carroll
what say ye?
gerrard on the wing
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Was saying to a mate earlier. I think it'd be a good way to go when Carroll is in the team. His delivery would be better than Kuyt fromthe right. I'd try it.
and i think putting suarez on the wing would be daft. dropping lucas is the other option.
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i'd put him on the right when luis carroll is fit.
gerrard lucas ming maxi/cole
luis carroll
what say ye?
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I think those players are about first choice at the moment.
It won't be a static formation though. That 4-4-2 becomes 4-3-3 quite easily.
i'd put him on the right when luis carroll is fit.
gerrard lucas ming maxi/cole
luis carroll
what say ye?
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I think those players are about first choice at the moment.
It won't be a static formation though. That 4-4-2 becomes 4-3-3 quite easily.
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=43986.msg1275068#msg1275068 date=1296599990]
i'd put him on the right when luis carroll is fit.
gerrard lucas ming maxi/cole
luis carroll
what say ye?
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i agree. a 4-4-2 going forward, fall back to 4-2-3-1 when defending. i think that's our best front 6.
i'd put him on the right when luis carroll is fit.
gerrard lucas ming maxi/cole
luis carroll
what say ye?
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i agree. a 4-4-2 going forward, fall back to 4-2-3-1 when defending. i think that's our best front 6.
I reckon the last thing we do is banish our best player out to the right. He's got to be in the middle and make the spine as strong as possible. We all know we're looking at adding players out wide in the summer; I want to see us create a spine for next season and then just build on that.
got to go for quality wide players in the summer. young for the left and hazard for the right would be fantastic, but for the rest of this season I'd have no problem with gerrard on the right. also it's time kuyt was dropped.
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=43986.msg1275170#msg1275170 date=1296603666]
I reckon the last thing we do is banish our best player out to the right. He's got to be in the middle and make the spine as strong as possible. We all know we're looking at adding players out wide in the summer; I want to see us create a spine for next season and then just build on that.
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imo he's been at his best when given as much freedom to attack as possible, first on the right in 05/06, then behind torres since 2008. i think now, as we prepare for his decline as a player, we should let suarez and carroll try to forge a partnership up front and let lucas and meireles take care of the dirty work in midfield, leaving gerrard to wreak havoc from the right. he'd still have plenty of freedom to come inside and get involved around the box.
it'd be different if we'd bought a like-for-like replacement for torres, but carroll's a unique player who needs a different type of support.
I reckon the last thing we do is banish our best player out to the right. He's got to be in the middle and make the spine as strong as possible. We all know we're looking at adding players out wide in the summer; I want to see us create a spine for next season and then just build on that.
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imo he's been at his best when given as much freedom to attack as possible, first on the right in 05/06, then behind torres since 2008. i think now, as we prepare for his decline as a player, we should let suarez and carroll try to forge a partnership up front and let lucas and meireles take care of the dirty work in midfield, leaving gerrard to wreak havoc from the right. he'd still have plenty of freedom to come inside and get involved around the box.
it'd be different if we'd bought a like-for-like replacement for torres, but carroll's a unique player who needs a different type of support.
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Are we talking about on the right in a 4-2-3-1 or in a 442 though?
No problems if it'sthe former but I'm just wondering if Johnson might be a better idea at RW if we're talking 442.
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buying a quality left back and then moving johnson to right midfield could save us money on a right winger and that money could be used for CB/CM.
Are we talking about on the right in a 4-2-3-1 or in a 442 though?
No problems if it'sthe former but I'm just wondering if Johnson might be a better idea at RW if we're talking 442.
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buying a quality left back and then moving johnson to right midfield could save us money on a right winger and that money could be used for CB/CM.
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[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=43986.msg1275170#msg1275170 date=1296603666]
I reckon the last thing we do is banish our best player out to the right. He's got to be in the middle and make the spine as strong as possible. We all know we're looking at adding players out wide in the summer; I want to see us create a spine for next season and then just build on that.
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imo he's been at his best when given as much freedom to attack as possible, first on the right in 05/06, then behind Torres since 2008. i think now, as we prepare for his decline as a player, we should let suarez and carroll try to forge a partnership up front and let lucas and meireles take care of the dirty work in midfield, leaving gerrard to wreak havoc from the right. he'd still have plenty of freedom to come inside and get involved around the box.
it'd be different if we'd bought a like-for-like replacement for Torres, but carroll's a unique player who needs a different type of support.
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We don't have the strength in defence nor the strength in DM these days to allow Gerrard freedom from the right - particularly if it was in a 4-4-2 formation.
Gerrard's decline is in long range shooting; I think most other facets of his game are in good shape. Putting him on the right so he's got freedom would see us getting raped at the back - we're just not strong enough back there now to cover that kind of freedom.
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=43986.msg1275170#msg1275170 date=1296603666]
I reckon the last thing we do is banish our best player out to the right. He's got to be in the middle and make the spine as strong as possible. We all know we're looking at adding players out wide in the summer; I want to see us create a spine for next season and then just build on that.
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imo he's been at his best when given as much freedom to attack as possible, first on the right in 05/06, then behind Torres since 2008. i think now, as we prepare for his decline as a player, we should let suarez and carroll try to forge a partnership up front and let lucas and meireles take care of the dirty work in midfield, leaving gerrard to wreak havoc from the right. he'd still have plenty of freedom to come inside and get involved around the box.
it'd be different if we'd bought a like-for-like replacement for Torres, but carroll's a unique player who needs a different type of support.
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We don't have the strength in defence nor the strength in DM these days to allow Gerrard freedom from the right - particularly if it was in a 4-4-2 formation.
Gerrard's decline is in long range shooting; I think most other facets of his game are in good shape. Putting him on the right so he's got freedom would see us getting raped at the back - we're just not strong enough back there now to cover that kind of freedom.
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[quote author=peterhague link=topic=43986.msg1275188#msg1275188 date=1296604554]
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=43986.msg1275170#msg1275170 date=1296603666]
I reckon the last thing we do is banish our best player out to the right. He's got to be in the middle and make the spine as strong as possible. We all know we're looking at adding players out wide in the summer; I want to see us create a spine for next season and then just build on that.
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imo he's been at his best when given as much freedom to attack as possible, first on the right in 05/06, then behind Torres since 2008. i think now, as we prepare for his decline as a player, we should let suarez and carroll try to forge a partnership up front and let lucas and meireles take care of the dirty work in midfield, leaving gerrard to wreak havoc from the right. he'd still have plenty of freedom to come inside and get involved around the box.
it'd be different if we'd bought a like-for-like replacement for Torres, but carroll's a unique player who needs a different type of support.
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We don't have the strength in defence nor the strength in DM these days to allow Gerrard freedom from the right - particularly if it was in a 4-4-2 formation.
Gerrard's decline is in long range shooting; I think most other facets of his game are in good shape. Putting him on the right so he's got freedom would see us getting raped at the back - we're just not strong enough back there now to cover that kind of freedom.
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so if we get in a quality defensive midfielder do you see meirles getting dropped?
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=43986.msg1275188#msg1275188 date=1296604554]
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=43986.msg1275170#msg1275170 date=1296603666]
I reckon the last thing we do is banish our best player out to the right. He's got to be in the middle and make the spine as strong as possible. We all know we're looking at adding players out wide in the summer; I want to see us create a spine for next season and then just build on that.
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imo he's been at his best when given as much freedom to attack as possible, first on the right in 05/06, then behind Torres since 2008. i think now, as we prepare for his decline as a player, we should let suarez and carroll try to forge a partnership up front and let lucas and meireles take care of the dirty work in midfield, leaving gerrard to wreak havoc from the right. he'd still have plenty of freedom to come inside and get involved around the box.
it'd be different if we'd bought a like-for-like replacement for Torres, but carroll's a unique player who needs a different type of support.
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We don't have the strength in defence nor the strength in DM these days to allow Gerrard freedom from the right - particularly if it was in a 4-4-2 formation.
Gerrard's decline is in long range shooting; I think most other facets of his game are in good shape. Putting him on the right so he's got freedom would see us getting raped at the back - we're just not strong enough back there now to cover that kind of freedom.
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so if we get in a quality defensive midfielder do you see meirles getting dropped?
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[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=43986.msg1275085#msg1275085 date=1296600225]
and i think putting suarez on the wing would be daft. [/quote]
Many of his goals/assists were created he cut in from wide position. Not the tradition 4-4-2 winger though.
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But to get in that wide position he had drifted from his original starting position in the centre meaning there was not usually someone out wide to necessarily mark him. If he is started as a winger then he will also acquire a full back tasked with marking him out wide which somewhat lessens the ability to do that.
Suarez is not a winger. Wingers do not score get 40 odd goals in 40 odd games a season - strikers do. Keep him in the centre.
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=43986.msg1275085#msg1275085 date=1296600225]
and i think putting suarez on the wing would be daft. [/quote]
Many of his goals/assists were created he cut in from wide position. Not the tradition 4-4-2 winger though.
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But to get in that wide position he had drifted from his original starting position in the centre meaning there was not usually someone out wide to necessarily mark him. If he is started as a winger then he will also acquire a full back tasked with marking him out wide which somewhat lessens the ability to do that.
Suarez is not a winger. Wingers do not score get 40 odd goals in 40 odd games a season - strikers do. Keep him in the centre.
I'd prefer this setup with the current crop of players, assuming Johnson can maintain his decent run at the moment (defensively) as a LB:
Reina
Kelly Carra Agger Johnson
Lucas
Gerrard Meireles Aurelio
Suarez*
Carroll
* Suarez - free role
I think this gives us a solid offensive/defensive balance, with Gerrard and Aurelio more than adequate as cover when the fullbacks go forward, or as part of the first line of defence pressurizing their midfield/defenders when they have the ball. In Gerrard's case, this keeps him actively involved in the game, and gives him the chance to win the ball early and use his explosiveness to turn defence to attack very quickly. He and Suarez can swap around in-game to keep his legs fresh and also for Suarez to get his little bites.
Aurelio is our best crosser of the ball from the left and can supply a wicked cross from deep, which makes him ideal for this role. His durability is a problem, but with 14 league games left, and the fact he hasn't played a lot this season, he should hopefully be able to stay fit enough to finish this run. Maxi or Cole could back him up, though you'd lose something with each of them (either crossing ability, defensive nous/experience or in Cole's case - form).
Crosses come from either fullbacks going forward, the tucked-in midfielders peeling out, or Suarez in his roaming role.
p.s. oops... think this should actually be in the other thread on transfer window closed... preferred setup. Can a mod move this? Sorry!
Reina
Kelly Carra Agger Johnson
Lucas
Gerrard Meireles Aurelio
Suarez*
Carroll
* Suarez - free role
I think this gives us a solid offensive/defensive balance, with Gerrard and Aurelio more than adequate as cover when the fullbacks go forward, or as part of the first line of defence pressurizing their midfield/defenders when they have the ball. In Gerrard's case, this keeps him actively involved in the game, and gives him the chance to win the ball early and use his explosiveness to turn defence to attack very quickly. He and Suarez can swap around in-game to keep his legs fresh and also for Suarez to get his little bites.
Aurelio is our best crosser of the ball from the left and can supply a wicked cross from deep, which makes him ideal for this role. His durability is a problem, but with 14 league games left, and the fact he hasn't played a lot this season, he should hopefully be able to stay fit enough to finish this run. Maxi or Cole could back him up, though you'd lose something with each of them (either crossing ability, defensive nous/experience or in Cole's case - form).
Crosses come from either fullbacks going forward, the tucked-in midfielders peeling out, or Suarez in his roaming role.
p.s. oops... think this should actually be in the other thread on transfer window closed... preferred setup. Can a mod move this? Sorry!
I'm not getting it when people put Joe Cole in their preferred starting eleven. Based on what exactly? He hasn't done diddly squat since joining us, no matter wether it be starting, or coming on off the bench. His best days are clearly way behind him, and he should only be utilised as a sub / starter for cup games. Maxi makes far more sense instead of him.
welcome to 6CM studsup 🙂
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welcome to 6CM studsup 🙂
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Thanks... I feel warm and fuzzy inside!
welcome to 6CM studsup 🙂
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Thanks... I feel warm and fuzzy inside!
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and i think putting suarez on the wing would be daft. dropping lucas is the other option.
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He'd be able to play wide left in a front three with Carroll and Kuyt. As for Lucas, a Gerrard/Ming central partnership would never work because they just leave holes everywhere, and despite how much people say we can mould Gerrard into the holding role, what's the point? He wouldn't want to anyway.
and i think putting suarez on the wing would be daft. dropping lucas is the other option.
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He'd be able to play wide left in a front three with Carroll and Kuyt. As for Lucas, a Gerrard/Ming central partnership would never work because they just leave holes everywhere, and despite how much people say we can mould Gerrard into the holding role, what's the point? He wouldn't want to anyway.
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-------------Reina-------------
Kelly--Carra--Agger--FA/GJ
-----Lucas-------Ming--------
-----------Gerrard------------
--Kuyt---Carroll----Suarez-
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Liking that quite a lot. In theory SG and Ming could rotate defensive responsibilities during the game, allowing either to get forward too.
-------------Reina-------------
Kelly--Carra--Agger--FA/GJ
-----Lucas-------Ming--------
-----------Gerrard------------
--Kuyt---Carroll----Suarez-
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Liking that quite a lot. In theory SG and Ming could rotate defensive responsibilities during the game, allowing either to get forward too.
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