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Gerrard, Aquilani & Midfield functionality.

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It's early days in Aquilani's career at Liverpool and about time to discuss his role in the side, and how it's going to impact upon our other midfielder who likes to get forward. I recently saw a poster quoting an Italian, who observed Aquilani is most like Lampard - an assessment I'd agree with based on the 8-9 matches I've seen Purple play. It's an encouraging comparison, too; Two midfielders operating in front of Masher, both capable of smashing it from 30 yards, both capable of sliding cutting through balls to Fernando Torres, both capable of dictating attacking play. But therein lies a potential problem - Or does it? - I mean with England we've seen a Gerrard and Lampard partnership misfiring for years, with Gerrard usually the one be shunted to one of the wings because of his 'great versatility'. We've seen Robbie Keane join our club - a player who also liked to occupy the same space as Gerrard at times - and look what happened there. Two prime examples of Gerrard + new attack minded player not working out. Is this grounds enough to be worried?

As we all know, Gerrard in recent times has been given more attacking licence than ever before in his career at Liverpool, and we've reaped the benefits with G+T running defenders ragged, looking untouchable and arguably the most dangerous strike pairing in world football. So yes we can all draw pretty formations on our keyboards stating where our players might be roughly standing come kick off, but that's all is is and actually explains the best part of fuck all. So tell me: how is Aquilani actually going to change our play, from a) Alonso & b) Lucas, and how is this going to impact upon Steven Gerrard - will he still have the free licence to do as he pleases? Or will he now be told to be a bit careful? Can these two play alongside each other seamlessly, or will 'versatility' and 'square pegs in round holes' rear its ugly head again?

The one promising sign for me is Benitez highlighted that Purple will play in between Gerrard and Masher, indicating he was bought with a set role in mind and none of the messing about which blighted Robbie Keane's Liverpool career. Another reassuring thought is Purple's had the time to see how we play, for his role to be visibly highlighted by Benitez, and so should step on the pitch knowing exactly what's expected, though still given patience.

He's a class act, that I've got no doubt. I can't wait to see how everything works.
 
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We've seen Capello come in and make a team work with Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney, so why not? I do have my reservations about how suited Aquilani is to centre midfield in the Premiership, I guess it's a 'wait and see', but aslong as one of them is disciplined enough to not leave holes in midfield, it can work.
 
Well, I have no doubts.

Largely because I am assuming he will be a slightly more mobile, attacking-minded version of Xabi Alonso, and therefore the aceness*

I have only seen him play twice
 
I'm not worried about Aqualani fitting into the side. He seems a fairly versatile player.

Whether he copes with the pace and power of the Premiership would be my concern.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=36825.msg974542#msg974542 date=1256847038]
We've seen Capello come in and make a team work with Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney, so why not?
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That's sort of true, but England never get the best out of Gerrard, the way Liverpool do, precisely because they tend to marginalise him like that.

I think Squiggles' question is a good one, although I don't know the answer. Certainly, if we have Gerrard, Yossi and Aquilani on the field at the same time, that should theoretically pose big problems for the opposition because all have great movement and vision and skill and quick-passing ability. But it might also cause us problems because they're stepping on each other's feet all the time.

I had worries about this (making the same runs etc) re Keane, but told myself it'd be fine in the end because Gerrard and Keane were both class players who would eventually click together. That never happened, although tbf Rafa didn't exactly give them much time. Hopefully he'll be more patient with Aquilani (not sure about Purple as a nickname), and hopefully the chemistry between them will be better from the beginning.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36825.msg974555#msg974555 date=1256847896]
I'm not worried about Aqualani fitting into the side. He seems a fairly versatile player.

Whether he copes with the pace and power of the Premiership would be my concern.
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Yup, what he said.
 
Let's wait and see if he's any good and can stay fit for 5 minutes first.

I hope the Lampard comparisons are right, although I have my doubts. 20 goals from midfield every season would be nice.
 
If we sell Masher in Jan the team picks itself or at least should.

I still want to see Yossi in the hole whatever happens.
 
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I still want to see Yossi in the hole whatever happens.
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Yes, we should definitely move Gerrard from there. It's not like Gerrard's scored many goals, been consistent over a prolonged period of time, formed any sort of partnership with Torres, or done anything in the big games for us.

FUCKING GREAT IDEA.
 
Gerrard's good wherever he plays Ryan so climb down off that rather large horse eh? There's a case to be made for him playing in the middle and in the hole, and both have merit. It seems to be a moot point really as I can't see Rafa changing the way things are, but I personally believe we'd get more as a team with Gerrard in the middle and Yossi in the hole. If a Purple/Masch partnership is the business then I could honestly care, all I know is right now I am sick of fuck all mobility/bite/goals from the partnership of Lucas and Masch.
 
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=36825.msg974542#msg974542 date=1256847038]
We've seen Capello come in and make a team work with Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney, so why not?
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That's sort of true, but England never get the best out of Gerrard, the way Liverpool do, precisely because they tend to marginalise him like that.

I think Squiggles' question is a good one, although I don't know the answer. Certainly, if we have Gerrard, Yossi and Aquilani on the field at the same time, that should theoretically pose big problems for the opposition because all have great movement and vision and skill and quick-passing ability. But it might also cause us problems because they're stepping on each other's feet all the time.

I had worries about this (making the same runs etc) re Keane, but told myself it'd be fine in the end because Gerrard and Keane were both class players who would eventually click together. That never happened, although tbf Rafa didn't exactly give them much time. Hopefully he'll be more patient with Aquilani (not sure about Purple as a nickname), and hopefully the chemistry between them will be better from the beginning.

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England don't get the best out fo Gerrard precisely because fo his versatility. Obviously if you are going to shoe horn Lampard. Rooney and Gerrard into the same team then you end up with Gerrard played out of his best positions (in the hole or CM).

That shouldn't be an issue for us and Gerrard. It is for Yossi. Gerrard plays off Torres and Aquilani becomes the attacking, creative midfielder ahead of Masher. I'm excited about seeing them all on the pitch at the same time (Masher, Purple, SG, Torres and even Yossi coming in from one of the flanks).

I'm expecting us to hit our 'Purple' patch !
 
Someone on the official has dubbed it the TAG (Torres, Aquilani, Gerrard) team.
No more 2-man team! Yeay!
 
[quote author=reuque link=topic=36825.msg974689#msg974689 date=1256874444]
Someone on the official has dubbed it the TAG (Torres, Aquilani, Gerrard) team.
No more 2-man team! Yeay!
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It bears repeating:

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[quote author=reuque link=topic=36825.msg974689#msg974689 date=1256874444]
Someone on the official has dubbed it the TAG (Torres, Aquilani, Gerrard) team.
No more 2-man team! Yeay!
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It bears repeating:

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Nice! Didn't see that one before.

I think of Aquilani as a more classy and creative version of Lucas. But essentially their position should be the same - a little more advanced than Masher with license to make attacking runs the way Lucas is trying to do, but hopefully with more of an end result. If that's the case, Gerrard and Yossi's positions should not be affected at all.
 
How many people really have a fucking clue about Aquilani? I'm completely willing to admit I don't.

There are probably a couple people on here who might have some factual basis for thinking he is a good player, the rest of it is founded on:

1) The sublime expectation of happiness that is happiness itself
2) Hope
3) Rising expectation caused by having to wait for him to play
4) Rising expectation caused by having to watch a substandard midfield play
5) His price tag
6) Youtube

And that's about it.
 
That's all true, but I don't think people's faith is misplaced even if it is based on very little.

I've only got to known Aquilani from following Riise's career at Roma, but the lad - alongside Di Rossi - has a looked class act every time he's stepped on the pitch.

Had he not spent a huge proportion of his career injured, I'm pretty sure he'd well known in all the top leagues and more people would have been putting his name forward as a Xabi replacement. I only stopped short because I thought he'd finish be a one club player.
 
I think the Gerrard / Lampard conundrum for England was to some degree unsolvable because England don't have a top class DM and #9 to get away from the traditional strike partnership. What's more, it'd be very hard for any manager to get away with playing Rooney anywhere but up front, so that basically leaves you with having to play a two man central midfield.

At Liverpool, we have solved both of those problems as we do have a world class defensive midfielder and the best #9 around. Whether Aquilani plays between Masher and Gerrard, as Rafa has suggested, or we opt for a 4-3-3 system with both taking turns to get forward, I don't really have any great concerns around him fitting into the side as he is versatile and intelligent enough to adjust tactically. At Roma, he played alongside Rossi and Totti, who are arguably more attacking than our duo on the whole.

When we're dominating possession and camped in the oppositions half (hopefully he'll help us get back to doing that), I think it all becomes a bit of a moot point anyways, as we've seen Alonso and Lucas taking up positions that you might think Gerrard would occupy.

I'm more intrigued to see how he adapts to the league over a period of time.
 
I don't think you will ever see gerrard partnering aqualini at CM. seriously, who holds? both with have attacking instincts and wil thus want to get forwards when the oppertunity presents itself.
aqualini in CM (if mash leaves you buy another defensive midfielder) gerrard as a forward and yossi, hmm I don't know, maybe a free role (that's pretty much how he plays anyway).

I will also add you often hear we only have one quality striker, well technically if gerrard plays as a forward the majority of the time we have two.
 
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I don't think you will ever see gerrard partnering aqualini at CM. seriously, who holds? both with have attacking instincts and wil thus want to get forwards when the oppertunity presents itself.
aqualini in CM (if mash leaves you buy another defensive midfielder) gerrard as a forward and yossi, hmm I don't know, maybe a free role (that's pretty much how he plays anyway).

I will also add you often hear we only have one quality striker, well technically if gerrard plays as a forward the majority of the time we have two.
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The one stirker thing is a bit of a myth, we function much of the time with a fluid, versatile front line, where Kuyt can come inside and win the ball in the air and generally harry the opposition, or he can do that outwide. While Gerrard has licence to roam and probe and offer that direct threat and a link to the other front players, and then on the left we have someone like Riera offering balance and width. Add Yossi into the mix for some direct running and link up play, and you can see we clearly operate with players being given licence to offer different things in attack, providing variation to the side.

Torres, as we well know, thrives on space, so this suits him perfectly. Occasionally he can be isolated and we can lack bodies in the box, but over the last 12 months we've definitely seen us heading in the right direction regards good, varied, attacking play.
 
Our best line-up - on paper:

Reina

Magic - Carra - Agger - Aurelio

Mascherano - Aquilani

Kuyt - Gerrard - Yossi

Torres


The only flaw in that first XI is a lack of pace and width on the left. Otherwise it's pretty fucking class.

On paper.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36825.msg974715#msg974715 date=1256890674]
Our best line-up - on paper:

Reina

Magic - Carra - Agger - Aurelio

Mascherano - Aquilani

Kuyt - Gerrard - Mata/Silva

Torres


The only flaw in that first XI is a lack of pace and width on the left. Otherwise it's pretty fucking class.

On paper.
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Problem sorted..
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36825.msg974715#msg974715 date=1256890674]
Our best line-up - on paper:

Reina

Magic - Carra - Agger - Aurelio

Mascherano - Aquilani

Kuyt - Gerrard - Yossi

Torres


The only flaw in that first XI is a lack of pace and width on the left. Otherwise it's pretty fucking class.

On paper.
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No doubt this is our strongest lineup in terms of player quality. I liked how Yossi and Kuyt were interchanging in the ManU game, Kuyt spent a lot of time in the middle or as second striker, as well as on the right wing. When Gerrard returns we can take this even further and have all 4 "creative" midfield players interchange position in a "controlled chaos", not unlike the Spain national team who did it so well at the Euros...

If Yossi is the nominal left winger though, maybe I would prefer Insua to Aurelio at LB, since we would need someone with more pace, energy and hug-the-touchline directness to compensate for Yossi drifting inside.

Another option we should seriously consider is Yossi starting on the right, Riera on the left and Kuyt on the bench.
 
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36825.msg974715#msg974715 date=1256890674]
Our best line-up - on paper:

Reina

Magic - Carra - Agger - Aurelio

Mascherano - Aquilani

Kuyt - Gerrard - Mata/Silva

Torres


The only flaw in that first XI is a lack of pace and width on the left. Otherwise it's pretty fucking class.

On paper.
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Problem sorted..
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Since Silva isn't any faster than Yossi, I'd say no.
 
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36825.msg974715#msg974715 date=1256890674]
Our best line-up - on paper:

Reina

Magic - Carra - Agger - Aurelio

Mascherano - Aquilani

Kuyt - Gerrard - Yossi

Torres


The only flaw in that first XI is a lack of pace and width on the left. Otherwise it's pretty fucking class.

On paper.
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No doubt this is our strongest lineup in terms of player quality. I liked how Yossi and Kuyt were interchanging in the ManU game, Kuyt spent a lot of time in the middle or as second striker, as well as on the right wing. When Gerrard returns we can take this even further and have all 4 "creative" midfield players interchange position in a "controlled chaos", not unlike the Spain national team who did it so well at the Euros...

If Yossi is the nominal left winger though, maybe I would prefer Insua to Aurelio at LB, since we would need someone with more pace, energy and hug-the-touchline directness to compensate for Yossi drifting inside.

Another option we should seriously consider is Yossi starting on the right, Riera on the left and Kuyt on the bench.
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You have a point about Insua, even though he's not as good a footballer as Aurelio. I definitely wouldn't replace Kuyt with Riera though, irrespective of all the arguments about balance etc. Riera isn't a consistent goal threat and he wouldn't die for the team; Kuyt, for all his flaws, is and would.
 
yossi drifting inside isn't an issue if you have a quality fullback to fill the gap he leaves. the same as kuyt who has the excellent johnson behind him.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36825.msg974824#msg974824 date=1256900524]
yossi drifting inside isn't an issue if you have a quality fullback to fill the gap he leaves. the same as kuyt who has the excellent johnson behind him.
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And then you get people complaining about fullbacks getting caught out of position.

If you're going to have your fullbacks compensating for the lack of width provided by attacking midfielders who like to cut inside, you need a team that can a) keep possession and b) defend competently when people get caught out of position. This season we've failed miserably on both counts and it's something that needs to improve quickly.

Against Zaragoza last weekend, Barca adopted similar tactics to those used by Chelsea last season. When they started to move the ball up the field, the fullbacks would move right up, the centre-backs pulled wide and Busquets would drop deep to act almost as a third centre-back. This was probably aimed at breaking the opposition down more than anything, but maybe some form adaption would help us find a better balance between attack and defence.

Either way, we need to start by improving our possession otherwise we'll struggle no matter what system we use.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36825.msg974824#msg974824 date=1256900524]
yossi drifting inside isn't an issue if you have a quality fullback to fill the gap he leaves. the same as kuyt who has the excellent johnson behind him.
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And then you get people complaining about fullbacks getting caught out of position.

If you're going to have your fullbacks compensating for the lack of width provided by attacking midfielders who like to cut inside, you need a team that can a) keep possession and b) defend competently when people get caught out of position. This season we've failed miserably on both counts and it's something that needs to improve quickly.

Against Zaragoza last weekend, Barca adopted similar tactics to those used by Chelsea last season. When they started to move the ball up the field, the fullbacks would move right up, the centre-backs pulled wide and Busquets would drop deep to act almost as a third centre-back. This was probably aimed at breaking the opposition down more than anything, but maybe some form adaption would help us find a better balance between attack and defence.

Either way, we need to start by improving our possession otherwise we'll struggle no matter what system we use.
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hey I've toned down my 'attacking fullbacks' talk 😉
I'm purely mentioning fullbacks now because of cost, I think we'll be able to purchase a quality fullback far more easily than a quality left midfielder.
 
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