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Fit, or fit to burn?

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Right, this is pissing me off now.

We were strolling last night, despite not playing that well, thanks to Suarez.

Yet, come 60/70 minutes those players were blowing. I expect it from Gerrard, he's the elder statesman. I kinda give Lucas a bit of leeway as that injury was serious enough to warrant a longer recovery time.

However everyone is fucked, blowing out of their arseholes visibly on the pitch, from 60 minutes in, bar Henderson, who must sleep whilst doing a few miles know the treadmill.

I want to believe that this is the same tactic used by Rafa (if I remember correctly) in his first or second season, where all the players looked fucked early in every game before Christmas, & it came out he'd done an extreme training regime aimed at improving fitness levels massively that paid dividends in that our players all looked stronger over the full 90 in the second half of the season.

It would make sense, in that noises coming out of the training ground when Kenny was here was all about how enjoyable training was, which I doubt players would say if he was having them slog it out every day, & we do have a very expensive training team, doctors & we know Rodgers uses prozone which highlights energy used & running in sectors of the match in a time line, so you'd assume it cannot be unnoticed.

Is that wishful thinking though?
If it is, & we look this fucked now, we're not gonna come anywhere near the top four. A cup competition added to the mix & a harder run of fixtures will see to that.

Does anyone have any information about fitness levels in Rodgers sides in the past?

Does he have history of issues?
What do you think, is this harder training now having an impact that will pay dividends later in the season, or is it a result of a huge training gap in Rodgers resume?
 
One would assume that our players will get more used to the physical demands the more games they play, so hopefully we will be stronger in the second half of the season, we'll need to be! It's fair to say that we're not looking anyway near as bad in the second half of games as we were at the beginning of the season, so maybe it's starting to take effect.
 
So you clearly assume it's a conscious decision to improve lot term fitness over the course of the season (perhaps having started in pre season), & not a shortfall in Rodgers abilities?
 
Well Rodgers isn't looking after the fitness, we have a fitness coach presumably formerly of Swansea.

And if you read the stuff on the official site the plan was to be 100% for the start of the season.
 
Well Rodgers isn't looking after the fitness, we have a fitness coach presumably formerly of Swansea.

And if you read the stuff on the official site the plan was to be 100% for the start of the season.

Fuck. If that's true there are issues, cos we clearly have a fitness issue compared to even the lower end of the league, & we're in a competition less than the top sides who also perform way better at the end of matches.

That means something is broken somewhere & needs to be fixed.
 
Well, they were hardly going to come out and say otherwise.

There definitely is an issue now, but I'm hoping too that it will pay off in the second half of the season. If we continue as we are for the next few months, we'll slip up more and more.
 
It is a problem, and it's not from playing too many games. Maybe it's the reason we go to shit in the second half of every game, cos we're too knackered to play. Rodgers does want us to play high tempo pressing game when we don't have the ball, and wear the opposition out when we have it. But it seems we're getting the reverse of that at the moment.

If we had people who could comfortably hold the ball up, and use it properly then they might not need to do so much pressing/running. Gerrard hitting his hollywood 50yard balls probably doesn't help, we need to work our way up the pitch tippy tappy bellends style in order to not get knackered.

Would be interesting to see if the players are running any more distance over 90mins than they have in previous years? Or whether they're running in a different way, more sprinting?

@Binny?
 
I don't understand how people think pass and move football isn't physically demanding - as if you get some rest when you're in possession ?

You get your rest when you sit back and let the other team fuck about in front of you.
 
I don't understand how people think pass and move football isn't physically demanding - as if you get some rest when you're in possession ?

You get your rest when you sit back and let the other team fuck about in front of you.

But didn't you used to slag off Rafa, when that was pretty much the crux of his game plan?
 
I don't understand how people think pass and move football isn't physically demanding - as if you get some rest when you're in possession ?

You get your rest when you sit back and let the other team fuck about in front of you.


I'm not saying I know the answers to this as I'm not a coach (the messiah o'hare maybe able to shed light on this) but from everyone I've heard talk about it, and players that have played against teams doing it, if the other team has possession, even if they're just plodding with it, it ruins you. I guess it doesn't matter if you've got possession and you're just knocking it around in your own half at a snails pace, it'll exhaust your opposition much faster than it exhausts you.
 
I'm not saying I know the answers to this as I'm not a coach (the messiah o'hare maybe able to shed light on this) but from everyone I've heard talk about it, and players that have played against teams doing it, if the other team has possession, even if they're just plodding with it, it ruins you. I guess it doesn't matter if you've got possession and you're just knocking it around in your own half at a snails pace, it'll exhaust your opposition much faster than it exhausts you.

So why are we fucked when we have all the possession then ?
 
So you clearly assume it's a conscious decision to improve lot term fitness over the course of the season (perhaps having started in pre season), & not a shortfall in Rodgers abilities?

I'm not sure, probably that the players are struggling with the scheme.

Wouldn't it just be easier to give the players an extra week off but require them to do a basic one hour work out every day. They're only off for a few weeks, how do they completely lose all their fitness from the year before?
 
I don't understand how people think pass and move football isn't physically demanding - as if you get some rest when you're in possession ?

You get your rest when you sit back and let the other team fuck about in front of you.

I agree, although it probably is a little bit easier when they have the ball, it's still bloody knackering.
 
Right, this is pissing me off now.

We were strolling last night, despite not playing that well, thanks to Suarez.

Yet, come 60/70 minutes those players were blowing. I expect it from Gerrard, he's the elder statesman. I kinda give Lucas a bit of leeway as that injury was serious enough to warrant a longer recovery time.

However everyone is fucked, blowing out of their arseholes visibly on the pitch, from 60 minutes in, bar Henderson, who must sleep whilst doing a few miles know the treadmill.

I want to believe that this is the same tactic used by Rafa (if I remember correctly) in his first or second season, where all the players looked fucked early in every game before Christmas, & it came out he'd done an extreme training regime aimed at improving fitness levels massively that paid dividends in that our players all looked stronger over the full 90 in the second half of the season.

It would make sense, in that noises coming out of the training ground when Kenny was here was all about how enjoyable training was, which I doubt players would say if he was having them slog it out every day, & we do have a very expensive training team, doctors & we know Rodgers uses prozone which highlights energy used & running in sectors of the match in a time line, so you'd assume it cannot be unnoticed.

Is that wishful thinking though?
If it is, & we look this fucked now, we're not gonna come anywhere near the top four. A cup competition added to the mix & a harder run of fixtures will see to that.

Does anyone have any information about fitness levels in Rodgers sides in the past?

Does he have history of issues?
What do you think, is this harder training now having an impact that will pay dividends later in the season, or is it a result of a huge training gap in Rodgers resume?


It was exactly the same last season so I doubt it was the preseason, but I thought we had a better second half last night for the first time in ages
 
It was exactly the same last season so I doubt it was the preseason, but I thought we had a better second half last night for the first time in ages

I didn't think fitness levels were anywhere near as bad last season, but I only went to one match in person & it's much easier to see when you're there, so I'll take your word for it.
 
I didn't think fitness levels were anywhere near as bad last season, but I only went to one match in person & it's much easier to see when you're there, so I'll take your word for it.
Crap to quote myself but this is the quickest thing I can find - nothing has changed it would seem​
"In every match, even winning games, the team is running on empty after 75 minutes and our peformance dips. WTF are our fitness and conditioning coaches doing, we never used to look like a team of geriatrics late in a game before, something has changed for the worse."​
march 16th 2013
 
Fuck. So unless this is really long running attempt to hammer the players into shape that suddenly takes fruition we're gonna really struggle the second half of this season.
 
Fuck. So unless this is really long running attempt to hammer the players into shape that suddenly takes fruition we're gonna really struggle the second half of this season.


I hope not but surely the analysts at the club must have noticed this. I mean look at the Hull game ( I know we all want to forget it ! ) we were hardly full on in the first half in terms of effort, it makes the second half, when the whole side looked as if they had been playing for a week, even more inexplicable. Needs addressing fast
 
I don't understand how people think pass and move football isn't physically demanding - as if you get some rest when you're in possession ?

You get your rest when you sit back and let the other team fuck about in front of you.


Dear Jesus you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Rosco, comeon, that reports a load of bollocks isn't it? It talks about purely distance covered.
If you walk 5miles it'll use far less energy than sprinting 5miles, you'd be dead.

When you've got the ball, and can use it well, you can get around at a right leisurely pace, you don't have to sprint everywhere. But when you're trying to win the ball back, you tend to move a bit more sharpish. So it's obvious that that expends more energy.
 
Also, ask any pro what it's like to play against a team who's got all the possession - they say it's a killer.
 
Is that implying that if two people run the same distance, the tiredness felt ran when in possession is is equal to tiredness felt when not?

I'm sure the distances are similar, but anyone who's played a game will tell you how much easier it is to run down a field if you've got the ball than if you don't.
 
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Is that implying that if two people run the same distance, the tiredness felt ran when in possession is is equal to tiredness felt when not?

I'm sure the distances are similar, but anyone who's played a game will tell you how much easier it is to run down a field if you've got the ball than if you don't.

Some of our players over recent years have seriously challenged that principle. That wife-beating Lord Frodsham for one, he looked most perturbed with the ball at his feet, hence whacking it miles down field and setting off after it.
 
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