Apparently 9 people have been injured after thousands stormed the gates at a match between Korea and Nigeria, in Jo'berg. Lets hope tehre have been no deaths.
Fans crushed at world cup Stadium
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Re: Fans crushed at world cup warm up
[quote author=Mojo link=topic=40493.msg1114494#msg1114494 date=1275845513]
Not a World Cup stadium!
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ok thats how it was reported over here in the uk. Corrected
[quote author=Mojo link=topic=40493.msg1114494#msg1114494 date=1275845513]
Not a World Cup stadium!
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ok thats how it was reported over here in the uk. Corrected
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I have a lot of doubts about this WC.
There's a lot of dangerous shit going down in SA, which many fans will not be expected.
There's a lot of dangerous shit going down in SA, which many fans will not be expected.
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=40493.msg1114728#msg1114728 date=1275888794]
You lot are paranoid. We will deliver a world class event. The same dangerous shit as mentioned happens world-wide. We have had a crazed gunman shoot 30 odd people ever and you think SA is dangerous. Your tabloids are sensationlist!
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Because South Africa is dangerous.
You lot are paranoid. We will deliver a world class event. The same dangerous shit as mentioned happens world-wide. We have had a crazed gunman shoot 30 odd people ever and you think SA is dangerous. Your tabloids are sensationlist!
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Because South Africa is dangerous.
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=40493.msg1114823#msg1114823 date=1275900735]
Everywhere is dangerous. It depends on where you go.
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Agreed. Which is why I avoid South Africa.
Everywhere is dangerous. It depends on where you go.
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Agreed. Which is why I avoid South Africa.
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[quote author=SaRed link=topic=40493.msg1114724#msg1114724 date=1275887956]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40493.msg1114683#msg1114683 date=1275869916]
I have a lot of doubts about this WC.
There's a lot of dangerous shit going down in SA, which many fans will not be expected.
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Such as?
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One of my mates grew up in SA and is never short of stories of police corruption, witnessing car jackings, drug raids, etc, and he grew up in a pretty good area.
Below is accounts from other people who live there:
I lived in South Africa for 21 years and became a South African citizen, I also have 2 South African children. Having lost 4 of my good friends in the period of one year in 2000 all being murdered in cold blood, I decided as beautiful as the country is I could not live there any more. South Africa is a fantastic country getting destroyed by its own people, while the government watches not knowing how to fix the problem and with no-one to turn to for help. The rest of the world set the ANC free, now it watches from afar as South Africa self destructs.
Mark, England
The crime in South Africa seems to be an ever increasing problem for both residents and visitors to the nation. Recently I was robbed at gunpoint, my car stolen along with all my possessions and even my shoes. I have a number of Zambian friends who are at university there, one of whom was recently stabbed and attacked for money on the university premises. I think that South Africa faces a challenging time ahead.
Ryan van der Merwe, Zambia
I am a Scot who lived and worked in SA during the eighties. I still have a son, daughter and two grandchildren in Jo¿burg. My brother-in-law was shot at a few years ago and his wife was shot in the hand during a post office robbery four years ago. The father of a boy whose twenty first birthday celebration I attended, was shot dead last year and the ex-husband of a friend brutally murdered in Maritzburg four years ago. My daughter witnessed an armed robbery in the complex where she lived. My wife, who was born in Durban, vows that she will never settle back in SA as she worries for the safety of our youngest daughter. The instances of crimes against relatives and friends are almost endless. Also on the mine where I worked, there were several "muti" killings and tribal tensions were always very close to the surface of mine politics. Surely no-one person can be so unlucky. What also worries me is the near desperate attempts to award the football world cup to SA in 2010. Believe me, it will be open season on unsuspecting fans from all over the world. The whole prospect of awarding the tournament to SA makes my flesh creep.
Concerned, Scotland
I left SA in 1996 for greener pastures when I felt it evident that crime and disrespect for human life was a daily occurrence. The strain of daily media and personal reports on crime was enough to make one feel polarised to the point were you distrusted even normal decent people. When a long-time pacifist friend of mine started carrying a weapon for his families' protection and felt it would be negligent if I did not do the same, it was time to go.
John, Australia
As a 30 year old born in SA spending most of my life here, I have stab wounds in my back, a few times I've had a gun shoved in my face, my car and house broken several times and I purchased another 'security' product this week. Enough said.
Peter Murgatroyd, Cape Town, South Africa
The list goes on and on, and sensationalist bollocks or not, people are rightly concerned about what could happen to naive fans at this years tournament.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/1924251.stm
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40493.msg1114683#msg1114683 date=1275869916]
I have a lot of doubts about this WC.
There's a lot of dangerous shit going down in SA, which many fans will not be expected.
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Such as?
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One of my mates grew up in SA and is never short of stories of police corruption, witnessing car jackings, drug raids, etc, and he grew up in a pretty good area.
Below is accounts from other people who live there:
I lived in South Africa for 21 years and became a South African citizen, I also have 2 South African children. Having lost 4 of my good friends in the period of one year in 2000 all being murdered in cold blood, I decided as beautiful as the country is I could not live there any more. South Africa is a fantastic country getting destroyed by its own people, while the government watches not knowing how to fix the problem and with no-one to turn to for help. The rest of the world set the ANC free, now it watches from afar as South Africa self destructs.
Mark, England
The crime in South Africa seems to be an ever increasing problem for both residents and visitors to the nation. Recently I was robbed at gunpoint, my car stolen along with all my possessions and even my shoes. I have a number of Zambian friends who are at university there, one of whom was recently stabbed and attacked for money on the university premises. I think that South Africa faces a challenging time ahead.
Ryan van der Merwe, Zambia
I am a Scot who lived and worked in SA during the eighties. I still have a son, daughter and two grandchildren in Jo¿burg. My brother-in-law was shot at a few years ago and his wife was shot in the hand during a post office robbery four years ago. The father of a boy whose twenty first birthday celebration I attended, was shot dead last year and the ex-husband of a friend brutally murdered in Maritzburg four years ago. My daughter witnessed an armed robbery in the complex where she lived. My wife, who was born in Durban, vows that she will never settle back in SA as she worries for the safety of our youngest daughter. The instances of crimes against relatives and friends are almost endless. Also on the mine where I worked, there were several "muti" killings and tribal tensions were always very close to the surface of mine politics. Surely no-one person can be so unlucky. What also worries me is the near desperate attempts to award the football world cup to SA in 2010. Believe me, it will be open season on unsuspecting fans from all over the world. The whole prospect of awarding the tournament to SA makes my flesh creep.
Concerned, Scotland
I left SA in 1996 for greener pastures when I felt it evident that crime and disrespect for human life was a daily occurrence. The strain of daily media and personal reports on crime was enough to make one feel polarised to the point were you distrusted even normal decent people. When a long-time pacifist friend of mine started carrying a weapon for his families' protection and felt it would be negligent if I did not do the same, it was time to go.
John, Australia
As a 30 year old born in SA spending most of my life here, I have stab wounds in my back, a few times I've had a gun shoved in my face, my car and house broken several times and I purchased another 'security' product this week. Enough said.
Peter Murgatroyd, Cape Town, South Africa
The list goes on and on, and sensationalist bollocks or not, people are rightly concerned about what could happen to naive fans at this years tournament.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/1924251.stm
Yeah, there is a lot of 'dangerous shit' going on, but I doubt any tourists/fans will see or experience any of what you're concerned about.
If anything, it'll be petty crimes like pick pocketing, hand bags snatched. Things that are generally prevalent in most high tourist areas around the world.
And if by naive, you mean stupid, then yeah they should be concerned. There's areas in most places around the world that you wouldn't walk around at night in. I'm sure you could name me a few in England.
The point is, before you go to a place you'd find out about where you can/should go and where you shouldn't.
The places that most tourists will be at; airport, hotels, stadiums, fan zones, tourist attractions, shopping centres are safe and will be well 'guarded' by both security companies and police. There's transport to and from all the places - although not cheap, you still wouldn't want to walk as the distances between the places probably average around 20kms.
Also, when looking at the crime statistics, you also need to look at who and where the most likely victims of dangerous crime would be. So, unless people have booked accomodation in places like Hillbrow and are planning nightly walks to soak in the atmosphere, I doubt even the naive fans would have much to worry about.
If anything, it'll be petty crimes like pick pocketing, hand bags snatched. Things that are generally prevalent in most high tourist areas around the world.
And if by naive, you mean stupid, then yeah they should be concerned. There's areas in most places around the world that you wouldn't walk around at night in. I'm sure you could name me a few in England.
The point is, before you go to a place you'd find out about where you can/should go and where you shouldn't.
The places that most tourists will be at; airport, hotels, stadiums, fan zones, tourist attractions, shopping centres are safe and will be well 'guarded' by both security companies and police. There's transport to and from all the places - although not cheap, you still wouldn't want to walk as the distances between the places probably average around 20kms.
Also, when looking at the crime statistics, you also need to look at who and where the most likely victims of dangerous crime would be. So, unless people have booked accomodation in places like Hillbrow and are planning nightly walks to soak in the atmosphere, I doubt even the naive fans would have much to worry about.
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[quote author=SaRed link=topic=40493.msg1114868#msg1114868 date=1275903525]
Yeah, there is a lot of 'dangerous shit' going on, but I doubt any tourists/fans will see or experience any of what you're concerned about.
If anything, it'll be petty crimes like pick pocketing, hand bags snatched. Things that are generally prevalent in most high tourist areas around the world.
And if by naive, you mean stupid, then yeah they should be concerned. There's areas in most places around the world that you wouldn't walk around at night in. I'm sure you could name me a few in England.
The point is, before you go to a place you'd find out about where you can/should go and where you shouldn't.
The places that most tourists will be at; airport, hotels, stadiums, fan zones, tourist attractions, shopping centres are safe and will be well 'guarded' by both security companies and police. There's transport to and from all the places - although not cheap, you still wouldn't want to walk as the distances between the places probably average around 20kms.
Also, when looking at the crime statistics, you also need to look at who and where the most likely victims of dangerous crime would be. So, unless people have booked accomodation in places like Hillbrow and are planning nightly walks to soak in the atmosphere, I doubt even the naive fans would have much to worry about.
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Lets hope so.
Yeah, there is a lot of 'dangerous shit' going on, but I doubt any tourists/fans will see or experience any of what you're concerned about.
If anything, it'll be petty crimes like pick pocketing, hand bags snatched. Things that are generally prevalent in most high tourist areas around the world.
And if by naive, you mean stupid, then yeah they should be concerned. There's areas in most places around the world that you wouldn't walk around at night in. I'm sure you could name me a few in England.
The point is, before you go to a place you'd find out about where you can/should go and where you shouldn't.
The places that most tourists will be at; airport, hotels, stadiums, fan zones, tourist attractions, shopping centres are safe and will be well 'guarded' by both security companies and police. There's transport to and from all the places - although not cheap, you still wouldn't want to walk as the distances between the places probably average around 20kms.
Also, when looking at the crime statistics, you also need to look at who and where the most likely victims of dangerous crime would be. So, unless people have booked accomodation in places like Hillbrow and are planning nightly walks to soak in the atmosphere, I doubt even the naive fans would have much to worry about.
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Lets hope so.
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