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Vlads Quiff

Vlads Quiff

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..............that is willing to prostitute themselves for the silver sheckel.
Does it make anyone else sick in the pit of the stomach (I know it does), that yet another nowhere club has leapfrogged a great institution like ours, to be continually linked to players and able splash cash like we could only dream of.
We have earned our place in the history of the game by what we have achieved on the field over decades, just as United have, and to be second class to Chelsea, and now City really sticks in my throat.
These once great players are now no more than football tarts, thank Christ there are some purists that have a moral backbone, like Fernando, that will not succumb to money alone


regards
 
don't be bitter, money talks these days but the draw of playing for liverpool is worth a lot and allows us to compete or still be more attractive than the new money teams

i don't want to put fernando down but he's well paid too what he gets a week would pay most people for 5 years at least, however the fact he appreciates being here means we don't have to compete with the likes of chelsea and city for wages so its all good  ;D

more like fernando and more local lads please and we won't have to worry about other clubs stealing our best
 
[quote author=Markeh link=topic=34433.msg896950#msg896950 date=1246236626]
don't be bitter, money talks these days but the draw of playing for liverpool is worth a lot and allows us to compete or still be more attractive than the new money teams

i don't want to put fernando down but he's well paid too what he gets a week would pay most people for 5 years at least, however the fact he appreciates being here means we don't have to compete with the likes of chelsea and city for wages so its all good ;D

more like fernando and more local lads please and we won't have to worry about other clubs stealing our best
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I am bitter, I can't help it and I think it it completely justified.
City and Chelsea have always been in our shadow and now through the fact that they were available and easy to buy , are now able to laud it over great clubs

regards
 
[quote author=Markeh link=topic=34433.msg896950#msg896950 date=1246236626]
don't be bitter, money talks these days but the draw of playing for liverpool is worth a lot and allows us to compete or still be more attractive than the new money teams

i don't want to put fernando down but he's well paid too what he gets a week would pay most people for 5 years at least, however the fact he appreciates being here means we don't have to compete with the likes of chelsea and city for wages so its all good ;D

more like fernando and more local lads please and we won't have to worry about other clubs stealing our best
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He did however take a pay cut to come here. Like to be honest there would have been no point in paying Atletico £20 odd million and then offering him 20k a week now would there.
 
Of course not but my point is when you get to a certain level of earning, say 50k+ a week, you have the luxury of considering non monetary factors. As long as we stay in touch with the wages of the sugar daddy clubs all is not lost.

We need that bloody stadium though
 
Rub of the green.

We were crying out for the big bucks so we could compete with United and Chelsea but they went elsewhere. I don't think we can now throw our hands up because another club received the infusion most wanted.

Citeh are not a nothing team, I remember them in the days of Tony Book and Franny Lee !

The actual amount of money being flashed is obscene but the fact it is going to a club outside of the Top 4 is probably good for the game even if the amount isn't.
 
At times I think back to the soul destroying football and hopeless transfer windows they had to endure and don't begrudge them their new found standing.

But then when I see how money has changed the attitudes of a lot of their fans, I do wish it all to be taken away from them.

I don't see their owners ever scaling back though - they will do what it takes Real Madrid style to win and keep on winning.
 
Is it just me who doesn't envy being in the position Chelsea and City are, where they can buy who they like because of substantial cash?

I think it's ridiculously extravagant and it makes you wonder who's in it for the football and who's in it for the money. At least with us we've assessed players mentalities and how suitable they are to our work ethic, so everyone is pretty much pulling in the same direction.
 
Like it or not, but these clubs are able to spend more than us. However we are built on a much more solid fundation than them. We have the biggest star in International footie on our books, and we have the best English player in the prem League on our books. We have the national team capt of Argentina on our books and we have key players for the upcomming world cup on our books. We are well suited to beat them with what we got, whereas they will have to build their empire. They have resources to do so, but remember that solid resources means shorter patience from owners, constant pressure, new ideas comming in often and less chance of a continuty which leads to glory. Uniteds glory i.e. is built on consistancy to stay with Fergie. Chelsea for all their wealth has lifted an FA Cup the last few years. As well as firing three managers over the same period!
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=34433.msg896984#msg896984 date=1246258142]
Is it just me who doesn't envy being in the position Chelsea and City are, where they can buy who they like because of substantial cash?

I think it's ridiculously extravagant and it makes you wonder who's in it for the football and who's in it for the money. At least with us we've assessed players mentalities and how suitable they are to our work ethic, so everyone is pretty much pulling in the same direction.
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A lot of the City fans just don't care. It gets explained away by "all players are mercenaries" and "this is what we have to do to get into the CL and then....".
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=34433.msg896974#msg896974 date=1246255153]
Rub of the green.

We were crying out for the big bucks so we could compete with United and Chelsea but they went elsewhere. I don't think we can now throw our hands up because another club received the infusion most wanted.

Citeh are not a nothing team, I remember them in the days of Tony Book and Franny Lee !

The actual amount of money being flashed is obscene but the fact it is going to a club outside of the Top 4 is probably good for the game even if the amount isn't.
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Two first division titles, two FA cups, and a cup winners cup, and the last thing they won was in 1980, makes them a pretty nothing team in my book.

The whole point of my thread is not about hypocrisy , it's about justice. It's not right that these teams happen to have money thrown at them just because they were available for the right price.
We are the most successful club in British football (still -just about), we earned our right to dine at the top table, through shrewd management, great support and passion. We deserve to be competing for the Eto'os and Kaka's of this world, and not having people try and prise players like Alonso and Mascherano from us, nor have links in the press about how City , Chelsea and United are going to flex their money and take Torres off us..
As far as it being good for the game that money is going outside the top four. The money being thrown around now and the wages players are demanding is killing the game, it is all going to implode, it really can't carry on like this.
Insignificance is right we are lucky to have great players, and a great first team, but you only have to look at how the squad is getting thinner to realise there is an issue.
regards
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=34433.msg896984#msg896984 date=1246258142]
Is it just me who doesn't envy being in the position Chelsea and City are, where they can buy who they like because of substantial cash?

I think it's ridiculously extravagant and it makes you wonder who's in it for the football and who's in it for the money. At least with us we've assessed players mentalities and how suitable they are to our work ethic, so everyone is pretty much pulling in the same direction.
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I know what you mean but it's not like we haven't signed a few cunts anyway, is it.

I would like to see us having the capability of spending £30M on one player and have other cash remaining, but I certainly wouldn't want to be in a position like Manchester City.

Whatever they'll win, they'll be remembered for what they are, a Happy Meal toy of a club; a cheap, plastic, topical plaything, something that nobody will give a fuck about in a few years.
 
it's sad because it will pretty much destroy us by trying to keep up (cf Johnson). we're already losing 40 million per annum and despite what a lying (bankrupt) organisation like RBS says that cannot continue indefinitely

the worst thing, for all our debt we dont have a new stadium which would help us become self sufficient and be able to accept our status in this new context a lot more easily.

so it's sad but we will need our own white knight to bail us out of this mess and build a stadium, so lets hope we can find one
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=34433.msg897041#msg897041 date=1246264530]

so it's sad but we will need our own white knight to bail us out of this mess and build a stadium, so lets hope we can find one

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Dick-Knight-former-Bright-001.jpg
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=34433.msg897049#msg897049 date=1246265077]
and he is?
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Dick Knight, former chairman of Brighton, famous for almost buying United for £1 Million.

White Knight, get it? No. Fair enough.
 
Yeah, he's put up £100M for Falmer.

I wonder if they'll FINALLY get a stadium.
 
Just talking to the Citeh fan next to me, and he's convinced they'' line up like this next season:

Eto'o
Tevez Robinho
Barry Kompany Ireland


With Santa Cruz on the bench. Oh dear.

I'm not convinced, I think Santa Cruz is the only striker he wanted/has chosen this summer so he'll start as a target striker to work off:

Cruz
Robinho Eto'o


Meaning ugly will be on the bench - ha.ha.ha.
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=34433.msg897052#msg897052 date=1246265426]
Yeah, he's put up £100M for Falmer.

I wonder if they'll FINALLY get a stadium.
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I actually think they might this time, god knows why.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=34433.msg896984#msg896984 date=1246258142]
Is it just me who doesn't envy being in the position Chelsea and City are, where they can buy who they like because of substantial cash?

I think it's ridiculously extravagant and it makes you wonder who's in it for the football and who's in it for the money. At least with us we've assessed players mentalities and how suitable they are to our work ethic, so everyone is pretty much pulling in the same direction.
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it's not as simple as that though, is it? if we introduced a wage cap how many of our players would stay?
 
[quote author=Mors link=topic=34433.msg897053#msg897053 date=1246265469]
Just talking to the Citeh fan next to me, and he's convinced they'' line up like this next season:

Eto'o
Tevez Robinho
Barry Kompany Ireland


With Santa Cruz on the bench. Oh dear.

I'm not convinced, I think Santa Cruz is the only striker he wanted/has chosen this summer so he'll start as a target striker to work off:

Cruz
Robinho Eto'o


Meaning ugly will be on the bench - ha.ha.ha.
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I think your mate is probably right. Although Robinho will be left and Tevez right.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34433.msg897102#msg897102 date=1246270713]
the 'who would get more goals; eto'o or torres' arguement is going to laid to rest once and for all next season
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Only if they both stay injury free, which isn't going to happen.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34433.msg897102#msg897102 date=1246270713]
the 'who would get more goals; eto'o or torres' arguement is going to laid to rest once and for all next season
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Not the 'who would score more in a good team/liverpool team' arguement wont be.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=34433.msg897070#msg897070 date=1246267268]
[quote author=Mors link=topic=34433.msg897053#msg897053 date=1246265469]
Just talking to the Citeh fan next to me, and he's convinced they'' line up like this next season:

Eto'o
Tevez Robinho
Barry Kompany Ireland


With Santa Cruz on the bench. Oh dear.

I'm not convinced, I think Santa Cruz is the only striker he wanted/has chosen this summer so he'll start as a target striker to work off:

Cruz
Robinho Eto'o


Meaning ugly will be on the bench - ha.ha.ha.
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I think your mate is probably right. Although Robinho will be left and Tevez right.

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He might be wrong. It would seem that Eto'o to Citeh is far from a done deal yet...

Sky Sources understand Manchester City have made a £25million bid to Barcelona for striker Samuel Eto'o.

On Sunday, Barca president Joan Laporta claimed affluent club City had made a "stratospheric offer" to Eto'o.

The Cameroon international's future is the subject of conjecture as he enters the final year of his current contract.

With just 12 months to run on his deal with the European champions, he could leave Camp Nou as a free agent next summer.

Eto'o's agent is set to hold a press conference on Tuesday in a bid to clarify the Barcelona striker's future.

Reports emanating from Spain suggest Eto'o's representative, Jose Maria Mesalles, is to announce the forward plans to see out his deal at Barca.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=34433.msg897028#msg897028 date=1246262706]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=34433.msg896974#msg896974 date=1246255153]
Rub of the green.

We were crying out for the big bucks so we could compete with United and Chelsea but they went elsewhere. I don't think we can now throw our hands up because another club received the infusion most wanted.

Citeh are not a nothing team, I remember them in the days of Tony Book and Franny Lee !

The actual amount of money being flashed is obscene but the fact it is going to a club outside of the Top 4 is probably good for the game even if the amount isn't.
[/quote]

Two first division titles, two FA cups, and a cup winners cup, and the last thing they won was in 1980, makes them a pretty nothing team in my book.

The whole point of my thread is not about hypocrisy , it's about justice. It's not right that these teams happen to have money thrown at them just because they were available for the right price.
We are the most successful club in British football (still -just about), we earned our right to dine at the top table, through shrewd management, great support and passion. We deserve to be competing for the Eto'os and Kaka's of this world, and not having people try and prise players like Alonso and Mascherano from us, nor have links in the press about how City , Chelsea and United are going to flex their money and take Torres off us..
As far as it being good for the game that money is going outside the top four. The money being thrown around now and the wages players are demanding is killing the game, it is all going to implode, it really can't carry on like this.
Insignificance is right we are lucky to have great players, and a great first team, but you only have to look at how the squad is getting thinner to realise there is an issue.
regards
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There are teams that have never won anything that are still not nothing teams and deserve respect. TBH I find that attitude reprehensible - that because other teams didn't find a Shanks, a Paisley or a Dalglish they are nothing teams. I don't think that is what you mean and that you of all people Vlad would take that line, however some do and it gives Liverpool support a bad name, as if we feel we have a God given right to eat at the top table and to win trophies. Nobody does.

Torres wont be going anywhere - look at players like Buffon etc. to see that money is not everything and Torres has made that amply clear.

Money going outside the top 4 is a bad thing ? I don't get your point because I think it is a good thing it is not confined to the status quo. However there are issues with what we have seen this transfer window that need to be addressed - and one way or another I think they will be. I believe this is the last Summer we will see transfer activity on this scale. FIFA and UEFA will come up with something - although God only knows if it will good for English football in general.
 
[quote author=Markeh link=topic=34433.msg896956#msg896956 date=1246238728]
Of course not but my point is when you get to a certain level of earning, say 50k+ a week, you have the luxury of considering non monetary factors. As long as we stay in touch with the wages of the sugar daddy clubs all is not lost.

We need that bloody stadium though
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And yet, players who "want to play in the champions league, that's the only reason I'm leaving..." choose citeh's big bag of sweet f#$! all over our legitimate shot at the league and the European Cup.

Wankers.

When we can offer you approx. $5m per year for 5 years, to represent the most successful team to ever play this game, but you choose citeh's $6.5m for 5 years, don't tell me it was EVER about the football, you mercinary cnut.
 
I wonder if we had beaten chel$ki in that end-of-season, CL decider at stamford bridge all those years ago, would we now be Roman's plaything instead..?

I think futures changed on the back of that single result.
 
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=34433.msg897442#msg897442 date=1246307750]
I wonder if we had beaten chel$ki in that end-of-season, CL decider at stamford bridge all those years ago, would we now be Roman's plaything instead..?

I think futures changed on the back of that single result.
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I take it you have never visited West London?
 
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