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It's been interesting to watch him over the last few weeks in which he's had a few ropey games both at CB and CM because it's a reminder that he's still very young and by no means the finished article.

So what do you guys reckon for next season? What should we be doing to get him to develop as we'd like and what position do you ultimately think he'll end up in?
 
It's odd because I don't quite trust him at centre midfield yet. I know that there is more for him to do in the middle of the park, but it's kind of backwards to how players develop - I've never known for a centre mid to be thrown into the defence to develop.

I think his main issues will be stamina, concentration and decision making. Technically he's clearly a very good player, but he does seem to switch off from time to time. I'd keep putting him in defence since it's something that is working well for us at the moment, with him coming further forward in the less important games or when we're chasing a goal - eg. the Bolton game. Do this more frequently next season to get him adapted to life at CM.
 
I've got no idea whether we'll stick with this formation, that's the thing. It's just hard to imagine staying with such an unusual system long term, because it potentially involves quite a lot of specific investment on unorthodox players that could be wasted if we changed course.

If we do carry on with it, I'd keep Can where he is, because it's clearly working for us, and because he actually seems more comfortable there than midfield. It's not like it's so clear what his best position is that it's imperative to get him playing there ASAP.

Otherwise he'll have to be moved further forward. I'm not convinced a straight DM role is right for him, though, so who he'd be best partnered with is a tough one.
 
He's great at running with the ball from deep so having him at the back makes sense. If Lovren could bring out the ball like Can he'd be starting
 
Hmmmm.

He's been targeted for the last month. Man City were the first side to do it when Nasri and Aguero both pressed him high and didn't allow him to step forward into midfield with the ball. Most sides will play to allow at least one defender have the ball - usually the weakest with the ball at their feet; watch Chelsea for example, Ivanovic is always the one opposing sides allow to play. City let Lovren have it. He's not horrific on the ball, but on the left of the three he looks even more disjointed, so he saw quite a bit of it and did fuck all with it.

Can had soent the two months prior to the City game Beckenbaeur'ing his way out of defence like a fucking swag machine. It was inevitable sides were going to put a halt to that. Massive compliment to him really and the way he's been playing. So now he's going to get closed down, and until he gets put into midfield where he'll see more of the ball and the game, it's going to continue like this for him.

The flipside to it is that it opens space for others. Case in point being Skrtel the other night who was free to move forward into the gap and slide it straight to our number 9's feet. 1-0. Lights out. Gomis was too pre-occupied with stopping Can receiving it. Good for you Bafetimbi. Skerts took your space.

I don't think Can's form has dipped at all. I just think he's been singled out. Tough, but that's the game.
 
Maybe so, but I thought he was targeted from the very first few games. I think he does have a bit of a dip in form, his defending got noticeably worse too.
 
I've got no idea whether we'll stick with this formation, that's the thing. It's just hard to imagine staying with such an unusual system long term, because it potentially involves quite a lot of specific investment on unorthodox players that could be wasted if we changed course.

I think we'll stick with it and as proof I'll quote a post I wrote a few weeks back. BTW I think now Allen has to be firmly in the first group, because this 3-4-3 seems tailor-made for a player with his qualities.

I thought it would be interesting to come up with the list of players for whom a system with back 3 is arguably more suitable than back 4 as well as the reverse and from that try to judge whether our squad is better set up for one or the other system. I have no idea at the start which list will be longer. Let's go!

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Better with a back 3:

Sakho – based on the evidence so far, clearly much better there
Skrtel – it's a close call, he's been part of decent back fours in the past too. But I think playing in the middle of a back 3 suits him especially well
Moreno – he would have been a defensive liability in a back 4, but with Sakho behind him he's fine
Markovic – unlikely to get much game time playing in the front 3 at the moment, he definitely benefited from the introduction of the wing-back position
Ibe – same as Markovic essentially
Can (for now) – it's a fact that he found steady game time only after the switch to the back 3. However his versatility and quality means in the future he can adapt to any system.

Better with a back 4:

Johnson – not enough speed and stamina for wing-back role any more, not good enough of a defender for CB
Enrique – not enough pace for a wing-back
Manquillo – it's not a coincidence he stopped playing after we switched systems
Flanagan – another defensively oriented FB who will struggle to find a place for himself in 3-4-3
Allen – a close call, but with 3 CBs there is one less place for a midfielder and he is the most likely one to miss out when everyone's healthy

Unclear/doesn't matter:

Lovren
Toure
Gerrard
Lucas
etc.

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So far six players for 3-4-3, five for 4-3-3. But look at the names – all the big talent, promise and investment is in the first group, whereas in the second group probably no one is going to play a big part or any part in the team next season. So I think it's fairly clear that 3-4-3 will be our system for the foreseeable future. The nice thing about it, apart from the added defensive solidity, is that it allows Rodgers to field two young hard-working coachable attacking players – his favorite type – in wing-back positions and not worry that it's going to cost us on defense (as it would if those players were asked to play FB) or decrease our effectiveness in attack (if they had to occupy one of the attacking midfield places).

It's really simple and foolproof and great for developing attacking talent. Those who "graduate" the wing-back school will one day get promoted to the "core" group of attacking or central midfielders and join the likes of Sterling, Coutinho and Henderson. There is simply no other system that would allow Rodgers to squeeze Markovic, Ibe, Coutinho, Sterling and Lallana – 5 young attacking midfielders! – all in the same lineup and still have a team that is defensively solid and not too lightweight. So we can be like Arsenal with an overabundance of AMs in every position, but thanks to the 3 CBs also a bit more steel and power at the back.
 
Hmmmm.

He's been targeted for the last month. Man City were the first side to do it when Nasri and Aguero both pressed him high and didn't allow him to step forward into midfield with the ball. Most sides will play to allow at least one defender have the ball - usually the weakest with the ball at their feet; watch Chelsea for example, Ivanovic is always the one opposing sides allow to play. City let Lovren have it. He's not horrific on the ball, but on the left of the three he looks even more disjointed, so he saw quite a bit of it and did fuck all with it.

Can had soent the two months prior to the City game Beckenbaeur'ing his way out of defence like a fucking swag machine. It was inevitable sides were going to put a halt to that. Massive compliment to him really and the way he's been playing. So now he's going to get closed down, and until he gets put into midfield where he'll see more of the ball and the game, it's going to continue like this for him.

The flipside to it is that it opens space for others. Case in point being Skrtel the other night who was free to move forward into the gap and slide it straight to our number 9's feet. 1-0. Lights out. Gomis was too pre-occupied with stopping Can receiving it. Good for you Bafetimbi. Skerts took your space.

I don't think Can's form has dipped at all. I just think he's been singled out. Tough, but that's the game.

This is why Sakho is so important because he can bring the ball out as well - so we can switch play if Can gets caught in a 2 Man press. That's what makes this system so difficult to defend against - because if the 2 wide CB's can take the ball out it negates the oppositions high pressing game - which means the opposition have stand off and cede possession.
 
There was this young player who was touted as the next Emre Can. But who exactly is Emre Can? No fix position, no real outstanding attribute. Great hair that's about it.
 
People have acknowledged that after around 100 mediocre/poor games in CM Allen has finally taken a step up after being given a run of games to settle in. Still they are worried a young player.might not fit in after been given half a game in CM. If needed he will fit well into CM, but at the moment we are covered there and at this stage we dont need to experiment. Just business as usual.
 
Maybe so, but I thought he was targeted from the very first few games. I think he does have a bit of a dip in form, his defending got noticeably worse too.


Yup, Ryan's post has some merit but I agree with you. He was being pressed from before the City game, he was just pulling off a lot more deft turns and flicks to create space for himself.

It hasn't been coming off for him for a few games now which I reckon is down to form as much as the increased attention.
 
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