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Emre Can – the future?

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rurikbird

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I wanted to write this post already a month ago, even when Can was not in a particularly good run of form yet. However even then there were enough signs that he is settling into the DM position nicely and the implications of this are huge for this team. Let's start from the beginning.

Emre Can was signed by Liverpool's transfer committee (I doubt Rodgers knew who he was until our scouts started following him) and while he showed talent and versatility from the start, it was hard to figure out his best position on the pitch. Someone here memorably said that we signed the only lazy and lackadaisical German player on the planet. Rodgers tried him most successfully at RCB, unsuccessfully at RB and with mixed results as a box-to-box/midfielder. It would seem that a player with such a wide range attributes enabling him to play either as a box-to-box or as a centre-back would find his best position in the middle of that range, namely at DM. However everyone was disappointed when he started for the first time as a DM in the Europa League game vs Besiktas and looked heavy-legged and lacking energy in that game. He played at DM only once more under Rodgers, who went back to switching him between central defense and box-to-box roles in his chaotic last season-and-a-half as manager.

Enter Klopp, whom I branded as "the best coach in the world at working with rough German-Turkish midfield diamonds" (someone then asked, "who is the 2nd best?" Good question, I still don't know!) Can scored the first goal of the Klopp era, which was a good omen. I was very curious how Klopp would go at solving the enigma that Rodgers couldn't and he clearly found the right words, because Can looked to have doubled his energy and application from the very first game under the new manager. Klopp started with Can as a left-sided box-to-box midfielder (in a midfield 3 with Lucas at DM), he also tried him as part of a midfield 2 with whoever was available, but the first time Can really played in Lucas' position was probably in the last game of the Europa league group stage vs Sion, which finished 0:0, allowing us to progress. I don't remember much about that game, but he clearly made progress since that Besiktas game because he got 2nd in MOM voting.

Can really staked his claim to the DM position only in the last few games, starting with the Sunderland 2:2 draw, which happily coincided with our best run of form in the whole season – 3 wins on the trot in the league, progressing against a couple of mediocre opponents in the Europa league and League Cup final. Lucas was injured for part of that time, but even when he did play it was already at CB, not DM – not because there were no fit CBs (Kolo was available in 2 out of 3 games Lucas played as a defender), but because Klopp wanted to give Lucas game time without dislodging Can from his new main position. Which means that Can is now the first-choice DM in this team ahead of Lucas.

If you've been following the endless Lucas/do-we-need-a-new-DM debates on this forum since the time Xabi and Masher left, you know what has just occurred is nothing short of a seismic shift. Lucas has been our only DM for most of this time and many fans grew frustrated by manager after manager failing to upgrade at this position, while others formed a small, but vocal Lucas fan club. Meanwhile the rest of the fans complied lists of targets every year – who is going to be the new saviour who will finally replace Lucas? M'Villa? Wanyama? That big "£30M-rated" Portuguese bloke who turned out to be shit? Schneiderlin? Xhaka?

In the meanwhile, Klopp seemed to have molded Can into almost a perfect DM (with an able back-up in Stewart as well):
Physically dominant? Check.
Good tackler? Check.
Shows leadership and aggression? Yes, definitely.
Efficient passing? Yes.
Able to carry the ball from midfield? Yes.
Goal threat? Developing.
Aerial ability? Check.
Speed? Check.
Game intelligence? Developing, but the brains are clearly there.

I know this has been just a few games he's been in this great form, but this doesn't feel like a false dawn – I really believe in Can we have found next great Liverpool's starting DM of the future and a bit of ups and downs in form will not change that (remember he's still 22!). Based on what I've seen this season he is already as good or better than Xhaka or Schneiderlin or pretty much anyone else we've been linked to recently (although I'd love to add Kanté to this midfield). It's been a rough season, but if by the end we discover the outline of a new spine of a future great team, I would say this transition period have been worth it.
 
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Can has been incredibly inconsistent, even in the Klopp era, but as you say, in the last 8 or so games he has been really excellent.
 
Great post, 100% agree, he had another outstanding game last night, and whenever he and Fellaini crossed paths, Can left with the ball. I said in the post match last night that we'd struggle to keep him in the summer of 2017, and it's true, he's well on his way to becoming world class and the big clubs are soon going to start noticing that.
 
I said sometime earlier in the season that he'll be the best midfielder in England in 3 years, and I stand by that.

He can be as good as Petit or Redondo.
 
I think he's one of those lads who will really come to the fore when he's got a quality anchor in the midfield alongside him. He's got alot of quality, he just needs to keep finding that consistency.
 
I think he's one of those lads who will really come to the fore when he's got a quality anchor in the midfield alongside him. He's got alot of quality, he just needs to keep finding that consistency.

So you still would like to buy another DM (and play Can as the more advanced of the 2)? Or the "anchor" you're talking about could be someone more attacking, let's say Gundogan?
 
I think he's one of those lads who will really come to the fore when he's got a quality anchor in the midfield alongside him. He's got alot of quality, he just needs to keep finding that consistency.

We need a clone so one holds while the other piles forward and vise versa.
 
Klopp have clearly decided to play Can and Henderson in the middle. Henderson isn't the best player out there but he work his socks off and Can need a player that do that.

Can reminds me more and more about a young Xabi. Almost a clone of his style of play. He isn't as good as a young Xabi yet but who knows in a year or two.
 
So you still would like to buy another DM (and play Can as the more advanced of the 2)? Or the "anchor" you're talking about could be someone more attacking, let's say Gundogan?

I think Can could be a rounded midfielder in the old box-to-box style. He's shown of late that he can play the holding role, which is something I'd suggested we should try and was repeatedly told by others posters that it wouldn't work because he didn't have the discipline. I think he's managed it quite well. But I think we could do a with a deep playmaker.

Assuming Lucas goes, we have Can who could play the holding role and we also have Stewart who has done really, really well, but we could do with an assured presence in the middle who will pick passes and dictate the play a bit. It's fairly obvious Klopp isn't 100% satisfied with the midfield anyway. Milner hasn't played central much lately, Lucas has been in defense and he's been keen to see what the kids have got, and we've signed Grujic, while Allen is resigned to cameo roles. I think a playmaker will be one of his big priorities going off the way his other teams were set up.
 
He reminds me of Bryan Robson.

He looked fucking outrageously good last night. But then other nights he just wanders around looking at his own reflection in his shiny boots.
 
Great post Rurik. As I said in the match thread I think he could be a future captain
 
Klopp have clearly decided to play Can and Henderson in the middle. Henderson isn't the best player out there but he work his socks off and Can need a player that do that.

Can reminds me more and more about a young Xabi. Almost a clone of his style of play. He isn't as good as a young Xabi yet but who knows in a year or two.

He's closer to Didi than Xabi for me.
 
I think Can could be a rounded midfielder in the old box-to-box style. He's shown of late that he can play the holding role, which is something I'd suggested we should try and was repeatedly told by others posters that it wouldn't work because he didn't have the discipline. I think he's managed it quite well. But I think we could do a with a deep playmaker.

Assuming Lucas goes, we have Can who could play the holding role and we also have Stewart who has done really, really well, but we could do with an assured presence in the middle who will pick passes and dictate the play a bit. It's fairly obvious Klopp isn't 100% satisfied with the midfield anyway. Milner hasn't played central much lately, Lucas has been in defense and he's been keen to see what the kids have got, and we've signed Grujic, while Allen is resigned to cameo roles. I think a playmaker will be one of his big priorities going off the way his other teams were set up.

I see what you mean now. Personally I think Can makes better decisions when he plays in short bursts of speed (forward or backwards) rather than being asked to run constantly a la Henderson. Also his height is very useful to have in front of the defense, this way the CBs don't have to push out to contest for every high ball (Sakho learned it the hard way when he foolishly went for the same ball as Can in the LC final).

So for these two reasons I think his best position is at DM and his ideal partner should be someone like Gundogan/Xavi/Rakitic/Pjanic who plays more advanced with constant movement and playmaking qualities. Henderson can also be a good partner if he can recover his pre-injury form.
 
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Great post, 100% agree, he had another outstanding game last night, and whenever he and Fellaini crossed paths, Can left with the ball. I said in the post match last night that we'd struggle to keep him in the summer of 2017, and it's true, he's well on his way to becoming world class and the big clubs are soon going to start noticing that.

Fucking hell, a few decent games and he's too good for us.

He's good. But he's not that good.
 
Fucking hell, a few decent games and he's too good for us.

He's good. But he's not that good.
I'm talking about a year and a half's time, if he continues on his upwards curve, and we continue being a midtable team, he'll be off.
 
Klopp's style suggests to me that his preference would be for all-rounders in midfield rather than a specific DM and one other. If so, playing Can as a DM for the time being would make sense in order to spiff up his defensive play, but I don't agree it will or should be his long-term position because I think he has attacking talent which would be wasted there. If Klopp does want a DM long-term I'd sooner we bought a specialist in.
 
He has a long way to go before he gets to the "too good for us" stage but his last few games he's really stepped up to the mark. I just hope he can keep it going.
 
Great post, 100% agree, he had another outstanding game last night, and whenever he and Fellaini crossed paths, Can left with the ball. I said in the post match last night that we'd struggle to keep him in the summer of 2017, and it's true, he's well on his way to becoming world class and the big clubs are soon going to start noticing that.

 
Great post, 100% agree, he had another outstanding game last night, and whenever he and Fellaini crossed paths, Can left with the ball. I said in the post match last night that we'd struggle to keep him in the summer of 2017, and it's true, he's well on his way to becoming world class and the big clubs are soon going to start noticing that.

The "big clubs" and struggling to keep him, thats a very defeatist attitude.

We've got Klopp now. And will be boss in the future.
 
Klopp have clearly decided to play Can and Henderson in the middle. Henderson isn't the best player out there but he work his socks off and Can need a player that do that.

Can reminds me more and more about a young Xabi. Almost a clone of his style of play. He isn't as good as a young Xabi yet but who knows in a year or two.
He's absolutely nothing like Xabi. In fact, it would be hard to pick a player he's less like than Xabi.
 
He was sloppy in the first 20 minutes yesterday, gave the ball away cheaply. Though really picked his game up there after that.
 
Maybe I am being totally thick, but when Klopp plays Henderson and Can in midfield, I can't work out which one is supposed to be the DM, or holding player. Sometimes I think it's actually Henderson.

Anyway, he has been infuriatingly inconsistent, but seems to be in a great run of form now, and was again very good last night.
 
Fair point in that first para. Perhaps he's asking them to dovetail - one forward, one back as need arises - without specifying further.
 
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