Embarrassing from a Sports Pundit
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Laurens is a spoofer. His decent English covers up for the fact that he chats sh!t on a regular basis.
Compared to other sports I watch - NFL, cricket, tennis - quality of punditry in football all throughout (from Carragher to Neville to Linekar to Laurens) is downright horrible. Repeat the same mundane crap, pander to the lowest common denominator. Hardly anything insightful or thought-provoking.
Compare it to cricket where they sit and break down any flaw in the technique of a batsman, or go through how a bowler sets up a batsman.
Exactly exactly exactly this! I loved Steve Nicol. He was like a comforting blanket every time I saw his name on the team sheet. How did he become such a blert
Couldn't agree more.
Every half time analysis in the EPL consists of "wow that was a great goal" and here's a replay of a decision the ref made that was questionable.
You learn absolutely nothing from the pundits. Unlike every other sport.
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Some of the Carra-Neville or Keane-Micah Richards or Souness-Keane "banter" makes me wanna lift my chair and throw it at the screen.
Forgot to add Scholes in that list. One of the worst ever.
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Bar the time Henry broke down how Guardiola wanted them to play at Barca. That was decent. But I can't think of any other time we received genuine insight into the game or tactics.
I remember Henry dissecting a Firmino assist that was quite well done.
Is the issue that the game is played at high tempo, so actual analysis needs to wait until half time/full time when there's time constraints? NFL, Cricket etc all have a decent gap in play after each play/bowl
Monday night football is the closest to analysis, but more often than not it just becomes internet troll style debate
I mean, half time analysis can't happen on sky because 6 minutes are adverts, and then they need to focus on the main highlights. Full time they get half hour (minus 10 minutes for adverts), to interview MOTM, losing player, 2 managers, as well as discuss the highlights.
I think the pundits in some cases have been dumbed down to for the format, rather than being thick
I think the pundits in some cases have been dumbed down to for the format, rather than being thick
This is why I generally avoid all the football shows - they're awful - and the punditry is to be tolerated rather than enjoyed for the most part.
There are one or two who do La Liga who are decent. Albert Ferrer was doing a game the other week and it was bizarre - he was actually breaking down tactics and saying things of some interest.
There are one or two who do La Liga who are decent. Albert Ferrer was doing a game the other week and it was bizarre - he was actually breaking down tactics and saying things of some interest.
Fairly sure Steve Nicol was well known for being thick as pig shit and the butt of the majority of Dalglish/Souness' jokes at the time.
There is time for play by play breakdown with Sky but Martin Tyler uses the air time for whimsical banter about the days gone by. Everything Carragher and Neville say is self serving to add weight to previous points they've made. There is no critical analysis. Just clichés and 'healthy debate'. Also hard to provide proper analysis when they don't even believe what they are projection. It's always one for a pen one against. Oh you can't give that but next week you can. You'd hear Neville saying, "we discussed this in the dry run". They've rehearsed the talking points they want to make. They hope the game plays out how they imagined it and if not they'll try shoehorn their agendas into discussions. You'd often see them smirking when camera switches to wide angle. It's amateur dramatics. It should not be viewed as analysis. It's just made up bollix.
So did Rafa.
Liverpool legend Jamie Carragher has aimed a hat-trick of digs at Gary Neville following Manchester United’s defeat in the Europa League final.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s side tasted defeat to Villarreal in the Europa League showpiece after losing on a penalty shootout.
The match went to penalties after the tie finished 1-1 after extra time, with Gerard Moreno and Edinson Cavani on the scoresheet.
The resulting shootout saw all 11 Villarreal players score, as did the first 10 Man United players before David De Gea missed his spot kick to see the La Liga club win their first major trophy in their history.
Carragher took to Twitter to aim a dig at Neville after Man United’s defeat, referencing a previous tweet from the ex-Red Devils captain.
“Man United joint winners," Carragher wrote.
This appears to be in reference to when Neville posted a tweet back in January when Man United were "joint-top" of the Premier League on New Year’s Day.
It was a tweet Carragher also referenced after Man United lost to Manchester City in the first leg of the Carabao Cup semi-final in January.
Carragher didn’t stop there with the social media digs at his Sky Sports colleague, with another showing a screenshot of Neville’s Instagram story which featured an image of Cadbury’s ‘Find a Legend’ advert starring the former Man United full-back.
And there was a third hit to come this morning.
Earlier today Neville tweeted his thoughts on the match, posting: "You can’t switch performance on and off like a tap. Haven’t played well for weeks and last night a continuation of the form recently . Pressure will be applied to Ole and the team. Rightly so. Need to get it right this summer and a good start to next season needed badly!"
Carragher simply replied with a picture of his own delighted face with a less-than-impressed Neville in the background.
If that wasn’t enough, Carragher has also been retweeting several of Neville’s previous tweets where he reacted to Liverpool defeats earlier in the season.
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So does Carra think this is payback for all the shit he ate from that lot during his time at LFC?
Cause it's borderline childish.
Obviously Neville is a super cunt but I don't see him taking digs at Carra all the time.
Seems like Carra always is the instigator.
I'm actually starting to think that Neville was doing quite well until Carra joined him at SKY.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s side tasted defeat to Villarreal in the Europa League showpiece after losing on a penalty shootout.
The match went to penalties after the tie finished 1-1 after extra time, with Gerard Moreno and Edinson Cavani on the scoresheet.
The resulting shootout saw all 11 Villarreal players score, as did the first 10 Man United players before David De Gea missed his spot kick to see the La Liga club win their first major trophy in their history.
Carragher took to Twitter to aim a dig at Neville after Man United’s defeat, referencing a previous tweet from the ex-Red Devils captain.
“Man United joint winners," Carragher wrote.
This appears to be in reference to when Neville posted a tweet back in January when Man United were "joint-top" of the Premier League on New Year’s Day.
It was a tweet Carragher also referenced after Man United lost to Manchester City in the first leg of the Carabao Cup semi-final in January.
Carragher didn’t stop there with the social media digs at his Sky Sports colleague, with another showing a screenshot of Neville’s Instagram story which featured an image of Cadbury’s ‘Find a Legend’ advert starring the former Man United full-back.
And there was a third hit to come this morning.
Earlier today Neville tweeted his thoughts on the match, posting: "You can’t switch performance on and off like a tap. Haven’t played well for weeks and last night a continuation of the form recently . Pressure will be applied to Ole and the team. Rightly so. Need to get it right this summer and a good start to next season needed badly!"
Carragher simply replied with a picture of his own delighted face with a less-than-impressed Neville in the background.
If that wasn’t enough, Carragher has also been retweeting several of Neville’s previous tweets where he reacted to Liverpool defeats earlier in the season.
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So does Carra think this is payback for all the shit he ate from that lot during his time at LFC?
Cause it's borderline childish.
Obviously Neville is a super cunt but I don't see him taking digs at Carra all the time.
Seems like Carra always is the instigator.
I'm actually starting to think that Neville was doing quite well until Carra joined him at SKY.
For me Micah Richards is not only as thick as two short planks he's totally biased (towards City of course) and always making excuses.
I think this is why I enjoy football podcasts, they can take the time to focus on whatever they think is interesting. Current favourites, in case anyone is interested:
Second Captains - Hated it initially, especially Ken Early who seems to have a deep hatred of Liverpool. Despite that, he does talk a lot of sense.
Totally Football Show - Depends on the guests (Julien Laurens does appear on there a lot and they seem to take the piss outta him a bit).
The Anfield Wrap - It's alright but it does cover a lot of different aspects of the club.
Second Captains - Hated it initially, especially Ken Early who seems to have a deep hatred of Liverpool. Despite that, he does talk a lot of sense.
Totally Football Show - Depends on the guests (Julien Laurens does appear on there a lot and they seem to take the piss outta him a bit).
The Anfield Wrap - It's alright but it does cover a lot of different aspects of the club.
I actually quite like Julien Laurens, he has some very valid points at times and doesn't just go with the flow. Though he did make himself look an utter idiot of course with his Kabak / Rhys comments.
Scholes is an utter troglodyte. Beats me how he was such a clever footballer, because he's one of the most dimwitted pundits I've ever seen.
That's definitely what its been diluted down to, but it think it's sky's hand in the tiller making the calls. They want online interaction, and that's done with bants and arguments. Actual fucking analysis doesn't sell the product.
I think you throw carragher or Neville or even Owen in a show designed solely for analysis, I think they'd be good
Australia India, India England, IPL. Check out this piece of commentary from Ponting. You hardly see anything close to this in football.
If you want to discuss cricket, I suggest taking this discussion to the "fanny, non-sports forum".
You could give Carra, Neville, Keane, Souness, Linekar, Scholes, Shearer, Richards a 15-hour show and they will not have anything useful and insightful to say. I don't think they are dumbing it down. I remember a couple of times Rafa and Pep took digs at Neville on his reign at Valencia. I remember Pep saying "He should know this. He was a manager....for a short time". Neville didn't respond. I don't think Neville was being magnanimous. He was too thick to realize Pep and Rafa had taken a dig at him.
Scholes deep analysis for the reasons for yesterdays loss. He is not sure whether losing hurts the Utd players enough. He is also worried about the lack of communication from the CEO.
It's crazy how the majority of TV pundits are either those that have never managed a football club and never will, or those that have failed at management.
Surely it's better to be employing, in the short term, modern managers in between jobs. In the last year they could have had people like Eddie Howe or Rafa Benitez. Imagine how insightful their input would be for game analysis on a weekly basis.
Surely it's better to be employing, in the short term, modern managers in between jobs. In the last year they could have had people like Eddie Howe or Rafa Benitez. Imagine how insightful their input would be for game analysis on a weekly basis.
Now now Hal, don't go jinxing our cricket talk
I don't quite buy the Scholes is the ginger Zidane, Xavi, Riquelme angle which Utd fans push. Great player but a lot of his mystique is due to the way Ferguson deployed him. He was consistently owned whenever they encountered a top quality midfield in the champions league. No one talks about that.
And he also had this PR team of Andy Gray, Richard Keys helping him with the "Tee hee Scholesy, you little misunderstood scamp, doesn't know how to tackle" agenda with Mike Riley responding on the pitch when he went around hacking the legs of half of the premier league.
My BP just shot up by 20 thinking about those times.
He was smart enough to realize that the golden generation wasn't going anywhere and retired from England early. I will give him credit for that.
Mourinho was actually great in the studio.
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