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Half an hour left; I'm calling it.

If we had been told this at the end of last season we would've had pitchforks out. Many appear to have been smoke and mirrored, completely played, into thinking it's not that bad.
 
Skullflower said:
Half an hour left; I'm calling it.

If we had been told this at the end of last season we would've had pitchforks out. Many appear to have been smoke and mirrored, completely played, into thinking it's not that bad.
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badly needed a CB, a LB and a DM, got a winger, a CM/Wingback/winger and a promising LB.

What a mess...
 
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We also have Markovic.
yay.
Pretty crap window for us, but I'm not putting this on FSG. This is on Klopp and his transfer people or whatever they're called.
 
Couple of things resonate for me.

One is that we were supposedly full in for Lemar and negotiating the finer detail after 2 or 3 bids but Monaco wouldn't sell. Then Arsenal agree a price but the player turns them down leaving the field clear for us. Yet we can't clinch the deal.

And the other is Klopp saying that Origi won't leave without someone coming in. Origi then goes and the only incoming player ain't a striker.

I'm reluctantly coming to the same conclusion as others more cynical or perhaps less gullible than me that we are getting played.



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Cannot believe it - I was right all along - we got played; no one actually knows what offers we made and even if we did were we serious at all ? - I think not, it is all just ballshit of the highest degree, the Naby signing is for next year and so that means fuck all to us this year. Signing AOC - is just a cheap joke on us - given how badly the guy played for Arsenal, I don't think he is going to be our saviour - just a squaddie and that's it.

The common consensus on this forum about needing a defender who can lead the back line seems to have been completely missed by our management and owners - contrast this with Man U - who have spent a fortune sorting out that back-line. No team can win this league without an organised defense so this idea of out-scoring the opponent is just crazy, madd utter shit thinking by anyone's standards. FSG are what I always thought they were - just smoke and mirrors expecting the manager to work with what they are willing to play for rather than what's needed to win titles and cups. We were never serious about Lamar, and if we really wanted VVD we could have signed him by offering the silly money - screw Lamar and another weak midfield link who probably cannot defend. We have been royally screwed up the backside this transfer window. They had no intention of paying 40M plus for any player did they ?
 
Fuck it, its done now.

Keeper Mignolet/Karius/Ward
LB Milner/Moreno/Robertson
CB Matip/Klavan
CB Lovren/Gomez
RB Clyne/Trent

DM Henderson
CM Wijnaldum/Can/Grujic
AM Coutinho/Lallana/Ox

WF Mane/Markovic
CF Firmino/Sturridge/Ings
WF Salah

Thats our 25 man European Squad.
Injuries to Matip, Can or Henderson and we are a bit fucked.

It is what it is.
No point crying about it now.
 
moron said:
Cannot believe it - I was right all along - i'm not gay; no one actually knows what offers we made and even if we did i'm gay ? - I think not, it is all just ballshit of the highest degree, the Naby signing is for next year and so that means fuck all to us this year. Signing AOC - is just a cheap joke on us - given how badly the guy played for Arsenal, I don't think he is going to be our saviour - just a squaddie and i'm not gay.

The common consensus on this forum about needing a defender who can lead the back line seems to have been completely missed by our management and owners - contrast this with Man U - who have spent a fortune sorting out that back-line. No team can win this league without an organised defense so this idea of out-scoring the opponent is just crazy, madd utter shit thinking by anyone's standards. FSG are what I always thought they were - just smoke and mirrors expecting the manager to work with what they are willing to play for rather than what's needed to win titles and cups. We were never serious about Lamar, and if we really wanted VVD we could have signed him by offering the silly money - screw Lamar (figuratively -- i'm not gay) and another weak midfield link who probably cannot defend. We have been royally screwed up the backside (which is annoying for me as i'm not gay) this transfer window. They had no intention of paying 40M plus for any player did they ?
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They had no intention of paying 40M plus for any player did they ?
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We've committed to buying out Naby Keita's contract (in Euro - so there's a fucking risk) and paying a "significant premium".

I'm no defending the owners but seriously - get a grip. Look at the reality for all teams this window and the end result. We have gained on all bar the Scum as far as I can see.

Now it is up to our coach and players to entertain and to win
 
Im worried about Klopps bloody mindedness in terms of targets and leaving us under strength yet again in defence.

Unless he sees something we dont???

Maybe Gomez really will fulfil his potential???
 
£200 MILLION POUND WAR CHEST!!!!

So what was our net spend this window in the end?
 
Dee said:
We've committed to buying out Naby Keita's contract (in Euro - so there's a fucking risk) and paying a "significant premium".

I'm no defending the owners but seriously - get a grip. Look at the reality for all teams this window and the end result. We have gained on all bar the Scum as far as I can see.

Now it is up to our coach and players to entertain and to win
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They probably only did that by accounting for inflation next year - its just all smoke and mirrors with them. Joke - you know what - we are no where near the strength we need to be. I really think we could be just one injury away and our season would end. Don't expect more than 2 games in a row when it comes to the Ox - did not manage that Arsenal with even limited game time. I just cannot believe we did not get a defender - I would have been happy with just a defender.

The back-line do more than just defend, they give the team the option of actually playing park-the-bus style football, and sometimes you need that mix because I reckon if someone looked at the stats - the teams that play a defensive strategy probably have fewer injuries coz they ain't running like dogs all game.
 
We need to be the best attaching force in Europe to mask that defense now and hope Can morphes into a world class CM
 
A lot of hindsight but just some thoughts/whining

1. If we accepted Leipzig's stance earlier and work on the deal which we eventually did, could we have focused more efforts on addressing other issues + allocate the relevant budget for other signings? With Laimer signed earlier on and Kampl brought after the deal was confirmed (not to mention the clause that will kick in next summer), it's pretty evident that this Leipzig were resigned to losing him and have their options line up.

2. (Just 2 examples) Silva for £43m and Salah £34.3m in May and Jun respectively vs. Lemar for £92m (for whom Arsenal bidded £40m lesser in Jul) near transfer dateline day. Locking down your target and stumping up the cash for what seems to be a higher than valuation fee earlier in the transfer window may not seem that ridiculous after all. (Mane, like Salah was also a Jun signing)

3. We probably got 'lucky' with Sakho - Palace's poor start to the season + Mangala rejecting a move. Keeping Moreno so as to free up Milner as a 'like a new signing' midfielder seems ok until after we signed Ox. Will we regret not accepting Napoli's reported bid (or trying to work out a deal)? Similarly, Watford apparently bidded £8+2m for Markovic back in Jun. We are now left with 2 players whose contract expires in 2019. New deal or prepare to lose them on a free (no-brainer for the latter it seems)

4. Hopefully, we learnt something about handling transfer after the VVD issues. If VVD has his heart set on joining us, why did we have to blow our own trumpet? Even if there is a bidding war, the player can choose to reject the other sides (e.g. Ox?)

It's been 'fun/interesting' though - been a long time since we were so involved right till the end of a transfer window.
 
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I would think Ox would have more chances to play in that WF role than a midfield role. We have Coutinho, Lallana, Milner and Grujic challenging the MF role. Coutinho and Lallana could be moved up as well. We are pretty set in the forward positions.

We lack a CB and possibly a DM but we are still ok. Gomez and TAA are good additions and we also have Flanagan.

Lots of compromise from the big names we wanted but it is not the end of the world.

The good thing is we are on the up. We are in that Man U Man City attractiveness bracket even if we do not have the same financial powers. Players are keen to join us and Klopp, it is just their clubs we couldn't get past.

January would be another interesting window.
 
rurikbird said:
Do you think we'll sign anyone good in January, @King Binny?
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Hansern said:
Joyce says We'll go for Van Dijk. Lets hope Soton are in deep shit by then and need the funds.
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I guess it'll probably be dependent on how well we are doing by then. That said, the WC excuse/reason card may be played out - top players may not want to move to new league/club and jeopardize their starting position/playing minutes; cup tied; selling club unwilling to sell as it will be difficult to replace players of their caliber etc. (VVD happens to be an exception though since the stated reasons doesn't really apply in his case.)
 
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A lot of hindsight but just some thoughts/whining

1. If we accepted Leipzig's stance earlier and work on the deal which we eventually did, could we have focused more efforts on addressing other issues + allocate the relevant budget for other signings? With Laimer signed earlier on and Kampl brought after the deal was confirmed (not to mention the clause that will kick in next summer), it's pretty evident that this Leipzig were resigned to losing him and have their options line up.

2. (Just 2 examples) Silva for £43m and Salah £34.3m in May and Jun respectively vs. Lemar for £92m (for whom Arsenal bidded £40m lesser in Jul) near transfer dateline day. Locking down your target and stumping up the cash for what seems to be a higher than valuation fee earlier in the transfer window may not seem that ridiculous after all. (Mane, like Salah was also a Jun signing)

3. We probably got 'lucky' with Sakho - Palace's poor start to the season + Mangala rejecting a move. Keeping Moreno so as to free up Milner as a 'like a new signing' midfielder seems ok until after we signed Ox. Will we regret not accepting Napoli's reported bid (or trying to work out a deal)? Similarly, Watford apparently bidded £8+2m for Markovic back in Jun. We are now left with 2 players whose contract expires in 2019. New deal or prepare to lose them on a free (no-brainer for the latter it seems)

4. Hopefully, we learnt something about handling transfer after the VVD issues. If VVD has his heart set on joining us, why did we have to blow our own trumpet? Even if there is a bidding war, the player can choose to reject the other sides (e.g. Ox?)

It's been 'fun/interesting' though - been a long time since we were so involved right till the end of a transfer window.
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Very good post. I think with respect to 2, there is a difference between coming third and fourth from the perspective of attracting players. I think if we come third, then that opens us to the possibility of wrapping up transfers in June. I know Salah, VVD, and Keita were willing to come here without that but it looks like some of the Monaco players were looking for CL guarantees.

We may have gotten lucky with Sakho but I think we have become very very good at selling players with a simple strategy of not budging until our valuation is met. Of course, in some cases, it may lead to losses like Markovic but I think in the long run this will serve us well.

I also hope FSG and our management stop leaking and briefing the press on how much they are going to spend etc. We had Klopp in April stating work is almost done, then our usual sources talking about spending 200 million this summer. Even yesterday we had Pearce talking about how we were planning to spend 175 million. When you boast and then have a net spend lower than Watford, it looks bad.
 
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Time for some perspective. Of course it would have been great to have landed Lemar and VVD. Both would have improved the matchday squad. That we didn't is yet another failure of management at the club and we're right to be angry and concerned. This has also been another window in which the club's PR department has performed woefully...at least from a fan's perspective although the ownership might actually disagree and take the horribly outdated and misguided view that all PR is good PR.

So the frustration stems from our off the field activities (although clearly these are inextricably linked to our longer term prospects on it, hence the need for change/improvement in our management functions...the first team manager notwithstanding).

On the pitch, we have reasons to be cheerful. With the players we have signed and with those returning from injury, we are stronger across all outfield areas than we were at the start of last season. Even in goal, Mignolet inspires more confidence than he did and Ward looks like a perfectly capable back-up. We're in good shape and relative to two of our top four rivals - Arsenal and Spurs - we're in a much improved state.

We need to learn lessons from this window of course but look at what we did to Arsenal last weekend. Remember the optimism? We're stronger now and we're trending upwards.
 
Oncy said:
Fuck it, its done now.

Keeper Mignolet/Karius/Ward
LB Milner/Moreno/Robertson
CB Matip/Klavan
CB Lovren/Gomez
RB Clyne/Trent

DM Henderson
CM Wijnaldum/Can/Grujic
AM Coutinho/Lallana/Ox

WF Mane/Markovic
CF Firmino/Sturridge/Ings
WF Salah

Thats our 25 man European Squad.
Injuries to Matip, Can or Henderson and we are a bit fucked.

It is what it is.
No point crying about it now.
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I think Milner wont play left back again (except maybe in emergency in-game situations). I think he had a deal with Klopp to cover LB for one season only, and Klopp's honouring that deal - hence the big-up of Moreno. Milner is part of the midfield "squad" now.
I may, of course, be 100% wrong
 
peekay said:
I also hope FSG and our management stop leaking and briefing the press on how much they are going to spend etc. We had Klopp in April stating work is almost done, then our usual sources talking about spending 200 million this summer. Even yesterday we had Pearce talking about how we were planning to spend 175 million. When you boast and then have a net spend lower than Watford, it looks bad.
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This was a crazy window. Have there ever been so many clubs hanging on to players who wants to leave? I doubt it.

Klopp meant (I think) that he had scouted his targets, he knew who he wants and not that we had already signed them

(Pearce doesn´t work for LFC btw)
 
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