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Crisis, what crisis?

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I highely doubt Rodgers position isnt on the agenda. We would be mad not to raise serious questions about his performance aswell.
 
I've been thinking about this since I saw Rodgers sitting on the fucking milk crate or whatever at West Brom.

Look at the dreary, limp cunts he's surrounded himself with.

Colin fucking Pascoe. Can you imagine the Gerrard's and Suarez's of the world taking a look at that cunt on the training ground? Christ almighty. Sometimes you just need to look at people to know they've got no football credibility. I bet he wears shorts cos he thinks its looks 'football'. I'd love to kick a ball at him to see what he does with it. Probably the same thing my wife does when a football rolls near her. Shits herself.

And Mike Marsh. Rodgers has probably got the pick of the coaching world to support and improve him at a club like Liverpool, and there's Mike Marsh. I don't even know what his job is to be fair. Neither does Mike I'd imagine.

And then there's the 500 different specialist/tactician/analyst roles we've got. Each one of them more at ease behind an apple mac than a fucking football.

Get yourself some fucking people who understand the game, and understand how to win Rodgers. Cos if none of them was able to tell you there and then hat having Emre Can wander up the pitch repeatedly as a fucking winger in the Cup Semi-Final wasn't something that Villa were going to figure out and unpick, then you're surrounding yourself with fucking frauds.
 
Then it's probably another reason to start looking for replacements for him. He got them in and has persisted with them, so he obviously sees something in then that he really values. He'd no doubt replace them with people of a similar ilk and standard. He's the issue, more so than his staff. I think the whole staff of players and supporting staff for BR look utterly demotivated. Rudderless. I wouldn't trust him with transfers anymore, and I don't think I'd trust him with back room staff either. Which in my fantasy football head, makes his position untenable now. Oh, that and the fact that we have been shit and found out ever since Luis left.

So there's a crisis meeting today. About what? What crisis do we have on our hands, other than the manager's position and performance. A single player causing issues wouldn't be a crisis. I don't see a mutiny going on so it's not several players. Nothing has really changed in the last few days that would suggest a crisis, although it maybe something that's yet to be revealed with finances etc.But the manager and his position are something that suggests crisis to me.
 
Yes. He has a veritable army of video analysts, who are paid a fortune. God knows what they do all day but it's not as if the players seem aware of the routine errors they keep making on the pitch. Good job Brendan scribbles stuff into that notebook of his otherwise we'd have no analysis at all. Same goes for Chris Davies, head of opposition analysis, if you please - that's going well, innit? And the supremely pleased with himself Ryland Morgans, who is supposed to be in charge of fitness, has somehow contrived to make this squad look utterly shagged out and Sturridge a chronic invalid.
 
I said this in a different thread but much more detailed yesterday, but I've lost all confidence in him.

If a manager can't fix the basics (defending/attacking set pieces) & can't send players out trying to win the game convincingly, then there's a huge, huge problem somewhere.

The last time we looked so bereft of ideas & the players looked like they had no idea what they should be doing was under Hodgson. Under every other manager we've ever had there's been more semblance of control.

I think something is broken. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over & over & expecting a different result.

That's what Rodgers has been doing.
 
It can only be people from the transfer committee surely. If it's from the coaching staff then that's an overt criticism of Rodgers as he brought them in and if Rodgers isn't under scrutiny then it may be because it would be too expensive to fire him. The doctor has already gone so it's unlikely to be from the medical staff. Maybe some of the stewards or Sausage Roll sellers are getting the blame for our recent downturn in form and performance.
 
How accurate is Andy Heaton generally? I stopped following him on twitter. I know he is part of Anfield Wrap but so is Jim Boardman and he doesn't seem to know anything.
 
There was little semblance of control during Rafa and Kenny's worst spells either, worse so at times.

I agree there needs to be a change in staff, but you can't blame him for bringing in people he knew and was comfortable working with. Was he supposed to walk into a big club without a set he already knew and, to some degree, trusted?
 
I highely doubt Rodgers position isnt on the agenda. We would be mad not to raise serious questions about his performance aswell.

Rodgers' position not being on the agenda doesn't mean it won't be discussed. He does have questions to answer and I'd be surprised if he isn't given a minimum target of a CL place next season. In fact I'd be surprised if he wasn't given that target for this season. If I'm right about this, the difference is that next time he'll be toast if he doesn't achieve it.
 
There was little semblance of control during Rafa and Kenny's worst spells either, worse so at times.

I agree there needs to be a change in staff, but you can't blame him for bringing in people he knew and was comfortable working with. Was he supposed to walk into a big club without a set he already knew and, to some degree, trusted?

Agreed, mark, but if they haven't worked out he then has to carry the can.
 
How accurate is Andy Heaton generally? I stopped following him on twitter. I know he is part of Anfield Wrap but so is Jim Boardman and he doesn't seem to know anything.


I stopped following them both myself. The know it all bellend attitude was to much for me.
Andy Heaton might know a bit but Boardman just sounds clueless.
 
Yes. He has a veritable army of video analysts, who are paid a fortune. God knows what they do all day but it's not as if the players seem aware of the routine errors they keep making on the pitch. Good job Brendan scribbles stuff into that notebook of his otherwise we'd have no analysis at all. Same goes for Chris Davies, head of opposition analysis, if you please - that's going well, innit? And the supremely pleased with himself Ryland Morgans, who is supposed to be in charge of fitness, has somehow contrived to make this squad look utterly shagged out and Sturridge a chronic invalid.


It's throughout the club though. From top to bottom there is a severe lack of football experience and certainly very little experience of winning in football. I don't get the idea of recruiting a young manager if you're not going to surround him with experience and high levels of ability.
 
It's throughout the club though. From top to bottom there is a severe lack of football experience and certainly very little experience of winning in football. I don't get the idea of recruiting a young manager if you're not going to surround him with experience and high levels of ability.

I have been saying this for a while the whole set appears built as if we are a midtable club, rather than setup for a team having ambitions to compete at the highest level..

We need recognisable names with expereince brought in from the ground up.. Its all too 'Swansea' at the moment...
 
I'm very much against allowing a manager to bring a team of staff in with him, for a variety of reasons.

But Mainly because the manager should just be another cog in the wheel. If he can't do the job without a crowd of his own supporters around him then he's not the right person for the job.

I'm a lot more concerned about the organisation behind the scenes than I am with Rodgers.

As Macca has rightly pointed out the fitness of the players hasn't been What it should be at all. I'd go further than simply getting rid of our fitness staff and consider a change of approach totally to our fitness

At least it looks like all avenues are being considered by the owners
 
Picking Mike Marsh as his link with the club's traditions was pretty revealing, and I'm not being revisionist because I said so at the time. Marsh is a good enough lad but he had no real coaching credentials (save for a brief and indifferent spell looking after the youngsters), practically zero communication skills and a marked sense of passivity when in the presence of his superiors. So he represented no threat whatsoever to Rodgers, and, even more so than the infamously forelock-tugging Phil Neal, was the best choice for an ex-red who'll just sit there with a clipboard and say 'Yes, boss' from time to time. At least Ged was self-confident enough to invite Peter Robinson to recruit an ex-red to join his team who could be more of a serious sounding board (and whatever you think of Thompson, he was no yes man).

Obviously most managers want to bring a few staff with them (Shanks didn't, but we'll let that pass, even though the present manager is quick to associate himself with the great man when it suits him), but Rodgers brought a bloody great army with him, and has since spread it all the way down to the academy. An example is Neil Critchley, the under 18s manager, who arrived looking out of his depth and remains so to this day. Rafa did much the same, of course (although even he didn't go quite as far in weeding out anyone who didn't remind him of him), and it's horribly negligent of the club to let it keep happening. Every time a manager goes the whole community (personnel AND ethos) gets ripped out and rebuilt.
 
Mike Marsh, if memory serves, only started playing regularly under Souness, so it's not as if he was that much of a link to our glorious past. Neal was (may well still be) a ridiculous sycophant but at least he had experience of winning things. I remember Mike Marsh scoring against Swindon at the start of a season and very little else he did of note. Other than get transferred to West Ham along with David Burrows when we signed Julian Dicks.
 
I posted this in on a thread in Spring 2013 and I think it is relevant today.

I happen to believe there is a gap between asking serious questions and wanting the manager sacked. Let me be open upfront, I have serious reservations but I dont want the manager sacked immediately or in summer. My reservations are because of certain technical flaws which have been occuring over and over again as Farkmaster highlighted in the other thread. I do understand that this is the managers first season and it will take time to implement his ideas. But do we have the right coaching setup to even implement these ideas. Let us look at his coaching team.

Mike Marsh - First Team Coach

After retiring from playing he was, until recently, on the coaching staff of Southport. In 2008, Northwich Victoria appointed him as their first-team coach. He quit Northwich, to become assistant manager at Bradford Park Avenue in November 2008. Later that month he was appointed caretaker manager of Park Avenue after Dave Cameron resigned following a defeat against bottom-placed Witton Albion; he shared the role with goalkeeping coach Gary Stokes because he had commitments in Spain. Marsh is currently the Head Academy coach of the ambitious Accrington & Rossendale College in East Lancashire, the team competes in the Lancashire F.A under 18 league on a Monday night and a British Colleges Elite league on a Wednesday afternoon. Marsh combined this role with his Academy coaching job at Liverpool F.C (under 16's) and with his Master's football commitments. In May 2011 Liverpool announced he was to move up to coaching the under 18 side. Marsh has since moved up to first team coach at Liverpool FC.

John Achterberg

Played and retired from Tranmere in 2009.

Chris Davies

Davies was captain of Reading’s youth team under Rodgers and was also a Wales youth international.But in 2004 he began studying at Loughborough University and obtained a first class honours degree in sport and exercise science.
He had a stint as an academy coach at New Zealand club Hawke’s Bay United before making the switch to Swansea in 2010.

Colin Pascoe

Most experienced person in our coaching setup. Has been coaching since 2005.

Other than pure faith, there is no hard evidence or pedigree as a player or as a manager/coach that the current setup can deliver results. Mourinho atleast had the Bobby Robson and Barcelona experience. Rafa had the Madrid experience and he also took a sabbatical and interacted with some of the legendary coaches in the game. What we have is a bunch of talented individuals with no big club experience working together. I would be less worried about our situation if we had an experienced setup backing a young manager. Our young manager is actually the most experienced of the lot.
 
I think there were concerns from the off when Clarke decided not to stay, he'd have been an ideal foil for Rodgers (maybe).
 
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