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Do people think he'll make it?

He seems to be in the Jamie Carragher mold - captain material, verbal on the pitch, strong tackler, decent on the ball and can play cb, dm and cm. I think he's the kind of player who can have a role on this team - much like O'Shea had for the Mancs.
 
Never been convinced by what little, admittedly limited, Ive seen of him. He looks like the sort of player that will fall into the massive chasm between a successful youth team player and a premier league first teamer. He has just turned 20 so its kind of getting to the point where he moves up or he moves sideways and we have a lot of competition for places in central midfield so I just feel it might pass him by

Hopefully not, Id love us to continue bringing through young players like we have in the last 18 months or so but I dont see him as a future star.
 
He's had spells when he's looked very promising - good range of passing, good shots from distance, strong tackles, leadership skills - then he's faded again. He's certainly much better than, say, Guthrie, but he's at a stage where he really has to impose himself consistently on matches. He's been moved around a bit recently for tactical reasons and done a decent job but he needs to push on now and really catch the eye.
 
gkmacca said:
He's had spells when he's looked very promising - good range of passing, good shots from distance, strong tackles, leadership skills - then he's faded again. He's certainly much better than, say, Guthrie, but he's at a stage where he really has to impose himself consistently on matches. He's been moved around a bit recently for tactical reasons and done a decent job but he needs to push on now and really catch the eye.
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Well I agree to an extent. He's a leader alright but you don't notice him that much. His passing doesn't impress me, nor his distribution. I don't think he's good enough to play in midfield.

Also when I see the likes of Teixeira, Suso, Sterling and McLaughlin playing in the same team. It's quite evident that he isn't close to their level.
Suso is an u21 player and so is Sterling. McLaughlin almost got a cap for NI. Teixeira is new but he looks like a real prospect.
 
I gather he's now being trained to play as CB next season. A bit of a waste, as he's got much more to his game than Carra and I can't see him moving ahead of the existing young C
Bs, but we'll see.
 
Personally I've always felt that he should be trained as a centre half. He isn't anywhere near technical enough to carry on playing as a midfielder, and we have Allen, Henderson, Shelvey, Suso, Teixeira, Lussey, and even young Rossiter who are IMO more gifted. On the other hand, I think his best qualities are his leadership and intelligence, which would be a good starting point as a CB. He'll need a couple of years and a loan or two, but I could see him doing something in that position.
 
It's no good talking in other threads about the need to have someone in midfield who's more muscular and aggressive than the more attractive technical players, then complain Coady can't make it in midfield because of all the more attractive technical players already in contention. That wouldn't be his job. I'm not saying he'll develop into a player good enough to add some versatility to the midfield, but I see far more competition for him, like for like, in defence. However, I think that's where he'll end up for the reserves. But will he ever eclipse Kelly and Wisdom? Very unlikely.
 
There's certainly a need for a good muscular defensive presence in midfield, but I'd always got the impression that he's been more of a ball playing midfielder than a defensive one. Maybe that means he'd find the transition to defence tougher still.... I dunno, my gut instinct is that would be his best bet in the long term, though.
 
It's difficult to judge a player in one game or even 4 or 5 and obviously even more difficult to judge in a 15 minute substitute appearance.........................but Coady does seem to have potential.

He came on for the last 15 minutes in the Sheffield United v Notts County game on Friday and was excellent. It's the first time I've seen him in a competitive game and he oozed class. He replaced the injured Sheffield united captain Doyle while the were holding a precarious 2-1 lead.

The game was fairly even at that stage despite United having a man advantage due to a sending off. From the 1st minute he was on the pitch he was involved in every move and everytime a United defender or midfielder had the ball they seemed to want to give it to Coady.

He kept the play ticking very well and sprayed a couple of lovely passes, made a few very good interceptions , got forward very well and was always available for a pass. For a 5 minute period it seemed like the commentator was saying "Coady" every other word! He definitely improved their performance when he came on.

The injury to Doyle looked quite bad (I would guess he'll be out for a few weeks) and I would guess that given his sub performance Coady will be the obvious replacement over the next few weeks so it should be interesting to see how he progresses.
 
Coady is a tidy player but nowhere near the class of Gerrard. This loan move will hopefully improve him but looking at the available talent for CM, he has a dogfight on his hands. He may end up like Spearing at best. Too good for the reserves but not good enough for the first team.
 
I'd been starting to soften towards Coady even before reading Pesam's post tbh. He's a good all round midfielder, and it's not like we're exactly overstocked with world class players there. I think he's a PL player, so maybe he has a chance with us.
 
He's 20 years old FFS.
Suso is 19 and playing top flight football. Sterling and Ibe are 18-17 years old and playing for the first team.
Can you just accept the fact that he isn't good enough.
 
Modo said:
He's 20 years old FFS.
Suso is 19 and playing top flight football. Sterling and Ibe are 18-17 years old and playing for the first team.
Can you just accept the fact that he isn't good enough.
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I have two issues with your stance sir -

1) Manure's dominance over the last two decades has been greatly aided by the fact that their 'regular Joe' players were from their youth set up. They didn't spend a penny on the O'Sheas, Flecthers, Butts etc ... And they all contributed and ensured their money went on mostly big purchase signings.
2) Forget age for a minute - most players (99% probably) who haven't 'shown' anything at 20 will most likely not sure anything at the level we're at currently. However, some will ... Mendieta I think barely did anything until his 20th ... It does happen.
 
It's all well and good saying that some players don't truly come into their own until they're in the mid-20's or whatever but they're usually playing regularly somewhere whilst they're developing and at the moment Coady is a long way off playing 15 plus games a season for us.

He's going to have to emerge as one of the stand-out players in the league this year and then most likely do it again the following year - hopefully in the Championship - to get a shot at Liverpool. A tall order.
 
keniget said:
It's all well and good saying that some players don't truly come into their own until they're in the mid-20's or whatever but they're usually playing regularly somewhere whilst they're developing and at the moment Coady is a long way off playing 15 plus games a season for us.

He's going to have to emerge as one of the stand-out players in the league this year and then most likely do it again the following year - hopefully in the Championship - to get a shot at Liverpool. A tall order.
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At least you're not saying, "He's shit, get rid". He's not costing us much, and the benefits of giving him a shot to develop in the Championship far outweigh getting rid of him now (as it was with Shelvey, but that would be with the PL).
 
The age argument is just ridiculous. Even one of the players cited, Suso, will be 20 in about a month, and who knows how he'll get on for relegation fodder in that top flight division he's gone to. Teixeira is older than Coady and apparently nowhere near the first team. Even Wisdom is nowhere near getting a game in his favoured position.

We're likely to see this kind of slightly later development more and more as senior players hang around longer due to improved medical/fitness techniques: top flight careers might span, say 20-35 on average, rather than 18-33 or whatever it is now.

Finally, the most obvious point to make is that it doesn't really matter how brilliant or otherwise a player is at youth level: the only important thing in the end is how they adapt to proper competitive professional football. And Coady appears to have made a relatively promising start and therefore he shouldn't be written off.
 
LeTallecWiz said:
I have two issues with your stance sir -

1) Manure's dominance over the last two decades has been greatly aided by the fact that their 'regular Joe' players were from their youth set up. They didn't spend a penny on the O'Sheas, Flecthers, Butts etc ... And they all contributed and ensured their money went on mostly big purchase signings.
2) Forget age for a minute - most players (99% probably) who haven't 'shown' anything at 20 will most likely not sure anything at the level we're at currently. However, some will ... Mendieta I think barely did anything until his 20th ... It does happen.
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Bullcrap, at least they were premiership quality. You're telling me that Coady is as good as Butt? Fuck off...Butt was an England international at Coady's age.

For every Mendieta there's at least 100 Richie Partridge's.

This Coady hype is annoying as fuck, the best thing is, he hasn't done shit to deserve it either. Nothing compared to Sterling, Suso or even Ibe.
 
Modo said:
He's 20 years old FFS.
Suso is 19 and playing top flight football. Sterling and Ibe are 18-17 years old and playing for the first team.
Can you just accept the fact that he isn't good enough.
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Clear racism. Favouring the black and the spanish kids. Where do I report this?
 
peterhague said:
The age argument is just ridiculous. Even one of the players cited, Suso, will be 20 in about a month, and who knows how he'll get on for relegation fodder in that top flight division he's gone to. Teixeira is older than Coady and apparently nowhere near the first team. Even Wisdom is nowhere near getting a game in his favoured position.

We're likely to see this kind of slightly later development more and more as senior players hang around longer due to improved medical/fitness techniques: top flight careers might span, say 20-35 on average, rather than 18-33 or whatever it is now.

Finally, the most obvious point to make is that it doesn't really matter how brilliant or otherwise a player is at youth level: the only important thing in the end is how they adapt to proper competitive professional football. And Coady appears to have made a relatively promising start and therefore he shouldn't be written off.
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Just like Spearing!
 
Modo said:
Bullcrap, at least they were premiership quality. You're telling me that Coady is as good as Butt? Fuck off...Butt was an England international at Coady's age.

For every Mendieta there's at least 100 Richie Partridge's.

This Coady hype is annoying as fuck, the best thing is, he hasn't done shit to deserve it either. Nothing compared to Sterling, Suso or even Ibe.
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Yah, Nicky Butt was definitely in there because of his 'talent' and not his club ... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ...

And based on your 2nd sentence, you're admitting there's a possibility Coady may still become a decent squad option.

You are racist - you only like Spanish and black youngsters. If Coady was black, you'd be hyping him up as if there was no tomorrow. Who's 'hyping him' up btw?
 
You'd think from some that Coady was some kind of incredibly obscure prospect. He's captain of his country FFS! He's way better than some previous young players like Guthrie was, so this relentless obsession with trying to describe him as negatively as possible is pathetic. Watch and wait.
 
gkmacca said:
You'd think from some that Coady was some kind of incredibly obscure prospect. He's captain of his country FFS! He's way better than some previous young players like Guthrie was, so this relentless obsession with trying to describe him as negatively as possible is pathetic. Watch and wait.
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So? Suso is the captain of Spain's senior team - he doesn't start yet because he hasn't played enough games for Liverpool, but he is their captain! Oh, and he IS Spanish! So he's the tiki taka messiah for us ... Coady is just SHITE.
 
England captain for the U19s? That went well...
He had potential when he was 17 and they won the Euro's that's about it.

He just isn't gonna make it and no amount of belief will change that.
 
LeTallecWiz said:
So? Suso is the captain of Spain's senior team - he doesn't start yet because he hasn't played enough games for Liverpool, but he is their captain! Oh, and he IS Spanish! So he's the tiki taka messiah for us ... Coady is just SHITE.
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Suso - Almeria Loan (Primera division)
Coady - Sheffield U (League one)

hmmm....
 
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