Step forward Daniel.
Hopefully he will get a few starts now to show what he can do.
Big chance for him.
Hopefully he will get a few starts now to show what he can do.
Big chance for him.
Cometh the hour...............
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Play Babel up front.
I'm amazed Rafa doesn't play him there more often.
I'm amazed Rafa doesn't play him there more often.
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=39858.msg1089842#msg1089842 date=1271630832]
International duty. EPIC FAIL.
[/quote]
Til the end of the season?
Surely not?
I was referring to the fact that Torres is out til the end of the season so up to 7 games to impress. 6 if he's away.
International duty. EPIC FAIL.
[/quote]
Til the end of the season?
Surely not?
I was referring to the fact that Torres is out til the end of the season so up to 7 games to impress. 6 if he's away.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39858.msg1089852#msg1089852 date=1271631199]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=39858.msg1089842#msg1089842 date=1271630832]
International duty. EPIC FAIL.
[/quote]
Til the end of the season?
Surely not?
I was referring to the fact that Torres is out til the end of the season so up to 7 games to impress. 6 if he's away.
[/quote]
At a tournament I believe Pat. Don't think he will be featuring much the rest of the season.
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=39858.msg1089842#msg1089842 date=1271630832]
International duty. EPIC FAIL.
[/quote]
Til the end of the season?
Surely not?
I was referring to the fact that Torres is out til the end of the season so up to 7 games to impress. 6 if he's away.
[/quote]
At a tournament I believe Pat. Don't think he will be featuring much the rest of the season.
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=39858.msg1089857#msg1089857 date=1271631502]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39858.msg1089852#msg1089852 date=1271631199]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=39858.msg1089842#msg1089842 date=1271630832]
International duty. EPIC FAIL.
[/quote]
Til the end of the season?
Surely not?
I was referring to the fact that Torres is out til the end of the season so up to 7 games to impress. 6 if he's away.
[/quote]
At a tournament I believe Pat. Don't think he will be featuring much the rest of the season.
[/quote]
Shit. Epic fail it is. 🙁
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39858.msg1089852#msg1089852 date=1271631199]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=39858.msg1089842#msg1089842 date=1271630832]
International duty. EPIC FAIL.
[/quote]
Til the end of the season?
Surely not?
I was referring to the fact that Torres is out til the end of the season so up to 7 games to impress. 6 if he's away.
[/quote]
At a tournament I believe Pat. Don't think he will be featuring much the rest of the season.
[/quote]
Shit. Epic fail it is. 🙁
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39858.msg1089883#msg1089883 date=1271639150]
We could adapt the thread to n'gog
But it really would be an exercise in futility
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I'd rather Kuyt up front with Yossi in the hole.
We could adapt the thread to n'gog
But it really would be an exercise in futility
[/quote]
I'd rather Kuyt up front with Yossi in the hole.
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39858.msg1089893#msg1089893 date=1271661041]
I'd rather yossi not play at all, he's been dreadful for a fair while now. Babel up top, aqua or lucas behind, gerrard centre with masch. tell Riera to grow up and play maxi on the right with him
[/quote]
So you'd rather play Babel, Aqua or Lucas who have all been brilliant this season ahead of Yossi who's been dreadful for a fair whiie now (part of which he was injured). Oh, and Riera too.
Interesting logic indeed.
I'd rather yossi not play at all, he's been dreadful for a fair while now. Babel up top, aqua or lucas behind, gerrard centre with masch. tell Riera to grow up and play maxi on the right with him
[/quote]
So you'd rather play Babel, Aqua or Lucas who have all been brilliant this season ahead of Yossi who's been dreadful for a fair whiie now (part of which he was injured). Oh, and Riera too.
Interesting logic indeed.
[quote author=jimmy link=topic=39858.msg1089895#msg1089895 date=1271661730]
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39858.msg1089893#msg1089893 date=1271661041]
I'd rather yossi not play at all, he's been dreadful for a fair while now. Babel up top, aqua or lucas behind, gerrard centre with masch. tell Riera to grow up and play maxi on the right with him
[/quote]
So you'd rather play Babel, Aqua or Lucas who have all been brilliant this season ahead of Yossi who's been dreadful for a fair whiie now (part of which he was injured). Oh, and Riera too.
Interesting logic indeed.
[/quote]
Yossi is uninterested and poor on the left, so i guess it would make more sense to see babel on the left rather than riera who was a mixed bag this season; therefore n'gog really is our only option up top (besides kuyt who i'm not convinced by this season). Aqua has had some of his best games for us behind the striker, gerrard some of his in central mid. And i would also like to see Lucas ONE day play in the position which he thrived in in brazil, and be allowed to attack more. My problem with yossi is that he does not know when to pass. Or shoot. He knows how to get into the box and as soon as he crosses that line this season, he does not know what to do with it, normally squandering possession.
and regarding the bit in bold, i'll presume this was sarcasm? Aqua and babel have looked very improved in recent weeks, whereas benny definitely hasn't. He may have been injured this season but since his return he has been awful. Lucas has been consistently "meh" this season apart from a couple of instances in the europa where he's been allowed to burst forward. Whether the european football suits him, or because we were chasing the games he was allowed to go forward remains to be seen.
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39858.msg1089893#msg1089893 date=1271661041]
I'd rather yossi not play at all, he's been dreadful for a fair while now. Babel up top, aqua or lucas behind, gerrard centre with masch. tell Riera to grow up and play maxi on the right with him
[/quote]
So you'd rather play Babel, Aqua or Lucas who have all been brilliant this season ahead of Yossi who's been dreadful for a fair whiie now (part of which he was injured). Oh, and Riera too.
Interesting logic indeed.
[/quote]
Yossi is uninterested and poor on the left, so i guess it would make more sense to see babel on the left rather than riera who was a mixed bag this season; therefore n'gog really is our only option up top (besides kuyt who i'm not convinced by this season). Aqua has had some of his best games for us behind the striker, gerrard some of his in central mid. And i would also like to see Lucas ONE day play in the position which he thrived in in brazil, and be allowed to attack more. My problem with yossi is that he does not know when to pass. Or shoot. He knows how to get into the box and as soon as he crosses that line this season, he does not know what to do with it, normally squandering possession.
and regarding the bit in bold, i'll presume this was sarcasm? Aqua and babel have looked very improved in recent weeks, whereas benny definitely hasn't. He may have been injured this season but since his return he has been awful. Lucas has been consistently "meh" this season apart from a couple of instances in the europa where he's been allowed to burst forward. Whether the european football suits him, or because we were chasing the games he was allowed to go forward remains to be seen.
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39858.msg1089898#msg1089898 date=1271662328]
[quote author=jimmy link=topic=39858.msg1089895#msg1089895 date=1271661730]
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39858.msg1089893#msg1089893 date=1271661041]
I'd rather yossi not play at all, he's been dreadful for a fair while now. Babel up top, aqua or lucas behind, gerrard centre with masch. tell Riera to grow up and play maxi on the right with him
[/quote]
So you'd rather play Babel, Aqua or Lucas who have all been brilliant this season ahead of Yossi who's been dreadful for a fair whiie now (part of which he was injured). Oh, and Riera too.
Interesting logic indeed.
[/quote]
Yossi is uninterested and poor on the left, so i guess it would make more sense to see babel on the left rather than riera who was a mixed bag this season; therefore n'gog really is our only option up top (besides kuyt who i'm not convinced by this season). Aqua has had some of his best games for us behind the striker, gerrard some of his in central mid. And i would also like to see Lucas ONE day play in the position which he thrived in in brazil, and be allowed to attack more. My problem with yossi is that he does not know when to pass. Or shoot. He knows how to get into the box and as soon as he crosses that line this season, he does not know what to do with it, normally squandering possession.
and regarding the bit in bold, i'll presume this was sarcasm? Aqua and babel have looked very improved in recent weeks, whereas benny definitely hasn't. He may have been injured this season but since his return he has been awful. Lucas has been consistently "meh" this season apart from a couple of instances in the europa where he's been allowed to burst forward. Whether the european football suits him, or because we were chasing the games he was allowed to go forward remains to be seen.
[/quote]
Well, yes, the bit in bold was sarcasm. No offence meant though, but still, I find it hard to believe that you consider Babel, Aquilani and Lucas as more creative and as better ptions than Benayoun.
I thought Babel got more than enough chances to prove himself, and alomost consistently let us down. Do you really think that Babel knows better than Yossi when to pass? I'm afraid you'd struggle to find a player who's decisions are worse than Babel's.
Aquilany is a puzzle. Apart from ~1.5 games in which he looked positive he seemed far less thretening than Benayoun, and in fact in the last couple of games I watched him (coming on as a sub) he seemed to be easilly pushed off the ball by the opposition.
Lucas, well he's been around for 3 seasons now I believe, and I'm yet to see any hint of his ability in Brazil.
Had this trio of Lucas, Babel and Aquilani played anywhere near the ability Rafa saw in them when he signed them, our season mught have looked different than it did.
Regarding Yossi being awful since his return - just take a look at Yossi's playing minutes in 2010 (3 starts + a few sub appearances). Had he been free of injury and played more our season might have looked different.
[quote author=jimmy link=topic=39858.msg1089895#msg1089895 date=1271661730]
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39858.msg1089893#msg1089893 date=1271661041]
I'd rather yossi not play at all, he's been dreadful for a fair while now. Babel up top, aqua or lucas behind, gerrard centre with masch. tell Riera to grow up and play maxi on the right with him
[/quote]
So you'd rather play Babel, Aqua or Lucas who have all been brilliant this season ahead of Yossi who's been dreadful for a fair whiie now (part of which he was injured). Oh, and Riera too.
Interesting logic indeed.
[/quote]
Yossi is uninterested and poor on the left, so i guess it would make more sense to see babel on the left rather than riera who was a mixed bag this season; therefore n'gog really is our only option up top (besides kuyt who i'm not convinced by this season). Aqua has had some of his best games for us behind the striker, gerrard some of his in central mid. And i would also like to see Lucas ONE day play in the position which he thrived in in brazil, and be allowed to attack more. My problem with yossi is that he does not know when to pass. Or shoot. He knows how to get into the box and as soon as he crosses that line this season, he does not know what to do with it, normally squandering possession.
and regarding the bit in bold, i'll presume this was sarcasm? Aqua and babel have looked very improved in recent weeks, whereas benny definitely hasn't. He may have been injured this season but since his return he has been awful. Lucas has been consistently "meh" this season apart from a couple of instances in the europa where he's been allowed to burst forward. Whether the european football suits him, or because we were chasing the games he was allowed to go forward remains to be seen.
[/quote]
Well, yes, the bit in bold was sarcasm. No offence meant though, but still, I find it hard to believe that you consider Babel, Aquilani and Lucas as more creative and as better ptions than Benayoun.
I thought Babel got more than enough chances to prove himself, and alomost consistently let us down. Do you really think that Babel knows better than Yossi when to pass? I'm afraid you'd struggle to find a player who's decisions are worse than Babel's.
Aquilany is a puzzle. Apart from ~1.5 games in which he looked positive he seemed far less thretening than Benayoun, and in fact in the last couple of games I watched him (coming on as a sub) he seemed to be easilly pushed off the ball by the opposition.
Lucas, well he's been around for 3 seasons now I believe, and I'm yet to see any hint of his ability in Brazil.
Had this trio of Lucas, Babel and Aquilani played anywhere near the ability Rafa saw in them when he signed them, our season mught have looked different than it did.
Regarding Yossi being awful since his return - just take a look at Yossi's playing minutes in 2010 (3 starts + a few sub appearances). Had he been free of injury and played more our season might have looked different.
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39858.msg1089893#msg1089893 date=1271661041]
I'd rather yossi not play at all, he's been dreadful for a fair while now. Babel up top, aqua or lucas behind, gerrard centre with masch. tell Riera to grow up and play maxi on the right with him
[/quote]
Yossi has been deployed consistently on the left wing though, where we all know he is ineffectual. I wouldn't be averse to giving him a go in the hole given our current predicament.
I'd rather yossi not play at all, he's been dreadful for a fair while now. Babel up top, aqua or lucas behind, gerrard centre with masch. tell Riera to grow up and play maxi on the right with him
[/quote]
Yossi has been deployed consistently on the left wing though, where we all know he is ineffectual. I wouldn't be averse to giving him a go in the hole given our current predicament.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=39858.msg1090026#msg1090026 date=1271679866]
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39858.msg1089893#msg1089893 date=1271661041]
I'd rather yossi not play at all, he's been dreadful for a fair while now. Babel up top, aqua or lucas behind, gerrard centre with masch. tell Riera to grow up and play maxi on the right with him
[/quote]
Yossi has been deployed consistently on the left wing though, where we all know he is ineffectual. I wouldn't be averse to giving him a go in the hole given our current predicament.
[/quote]
I agree, Yossi can play relatively well on the right, he is better in the hole, but a waste of space on the left. Everyone knows that, or they should do.
We did OK against Wigan at home (I think it was ) playing Dirk and N'gog as a pair up front. N'gog scored and glassback made three brilliant saves against Dirk.
Simples........................
Dirk N'gog
Maxi.......................................................Yossi Mascher............Gerrard
Insua.........Agger .....................Carra...........Johnson
..............................Riena..................................
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39858.msg1089893#msg1089893 date=1271661041]
I'd rather yossi not play at all, he's been dreadful for a fair while now. Babel up top, aqua or lucas behind, gerrard centre with masch. tell Riera to grow up and play maxi on the right with him
[/quote]
Yossi has been deployed consistently on the left wing though, where we all know he is ineffectual. I wouldn't be averse to giving him a go in the hole given our current predicament.
[/quote]
I agree, Yossi can play relatively well on the right, he is better in the hole, but a waste of space on the left. Everyone knows that, or they should do.
We did OK against Wigan at home (I think it was ) playing Dirk and N'gog as a pair up front. N'gog scored and glassback made three brilliant saves against Dirk.
Simples........................
Dirk N'gog
Maxi.......................................................Yossi Mascher............Gerrard
Insua.........Agger .....................Carra...........Johnson
..............................Riena..................................
[quote author=jimmy link=topic=39858.msg1090023#msg1090023 date=1271679615]
Well, yes, the bit in bold was sarcasm. No offence meant though, but still, I find it hard to believe that you consider Babel, Aquilani and Lucas as more creative and as better ptions than Benayoun.
I thought Babel got more than enough chances to prove himself, and alomost consistently let us down. Do you really think that Babel knows better than Yossi when to pass? I'm afraid you'd struggle to find a player who's decisions are worse than Babel's.
Aquilany is a puzzle. Apart from ~1.5 games in which he looked positive he seemed far less thretening than Benayoun, and in fact in the last couple of games I watched him (coming on as a sub) he seemed to be easilly pushed off the ball by the opposition.
Lucas, well he's been around for 3 seasons now I believe, and I'm yet to see any hint of his ability in Brazil.
Had this trio of Lucas, Babel and Aquilani played anywhere near the ability Rafa saw in them when he signed them, our season mught have looked different than it did.
Regarding Yossi being awful since his return - just take a look at Yossi's playing minutes in 2010 (3 starts + a few sub appearances). Had he been free of injury and played more our season might have looked different.
[/quote]
I've just not been convinced by yossi this season, or ever in fact. Last year he had a purple patch of excellence but he seems to be poos when to release a pass. My preference is babel just because of his pace, he might actually get to the byline, if he doesn't he cuts in and isn't scared to shoot from range. Yossi seems terrified of shooting when inside the box let alone outside of it. Aqua has potential and is still adapting after his injuries so i can forgive his slow development thus far, but he has show glimpses of true class. Lucas...well.....he doesn't lose the ball as much as yossi, fair enough he doesn't do much with it, but at least if we retain possession the opposition can't score.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=39858.msg1090026#msg1090026 date=1271679866]
Yossi has been deployed consistently on the left wing though, where we all know he is ineffectual. I wouldn't be averse to giving him a go in the hole given our current predicament.
[/quote]
Mainly this season yes, however he should be able to drift in and know when to shoot or release a pass, regardless of position. If he does play i hope it isn't on the left, and ideally he plays well because he's very capable of doing so.
Well, yes, the bit in bold was sarcasm. No offence meant though, but still, I find it hard to believe that you consider Babel, Aquilani and Lucas as more creative and as better ptions than Benayoun.
I thought Babel got more than enough chances to prove himself, and alomost consistently let us down. Do you really think that Babel knows better than Yossi when to pass? I'm afraid you'd struggle to find a player who's decisions are worse than Babel's.
Aquilany is a puzzle. Apart from ~1.5 games in which he looked positive he seemed far less thretening than Benayoun, and in fact in the last couple of games I watched him (coming on as a sub) he seemed to be easilly pushed off the ball by the opposition.
Lucas, well he's been around for 3 seasons now I believe, and I'm yet to see any hint of his ability in Brazil.
Had this trio of Lucas, Babel and Aquilani played anywhere near the ability Rafa saw in them when he signed them, our season mught have looked different than it did.
Regarding Yossi being awful since his return - just take a look at Yossi's playing minutes in 2010 (3 starts + a few sub appearances). Had he been free of injury and played more our season might have looked different.
[/quote]
I've just not been convinced by yossi this season, or ever in fact. Last year he had a purple patch of excellence but he seems to be poos when to release a pass. My preference is babel just because of his pace, he might actually get to the byline, if he doesn't he cuts in and isn't scared to shoot from range. Yossi seems terrified of shooting when inside the box let alone outside of it. Aqua has potential and is still adapting after his injuries so i can forgive his slow development thus far, but he has show glimpses of true class. Lucas...well.....he doesn't lose the ball as much as yossi, fair enough he doesn't do much with it, but at least if we retain possession the opposition can't score.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=39858.msg1090026#msg1090026 date=1271679866]
Yossi has been deployed consistently on the left wing though, where we all know he is ineffectual. I wouldn't be averse to giving him a go in the hole given our current predicament.
[/quote]
Mainly this season yes, however he should be able to drift in and know when to shoot or release a pass, regardless of position. If he does play i hope it isn't on the left, and ideally he plays well because he's very capable of doing so.
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39858.msg1089893#msg1089893 date=1271661041]
I'd rather yossi not play at all, he's been dreadful for a fair while now. Babel up top, aqua or lucas behind, gerrard centre with masch. tell Riera to grow up and play maxi on the right with him
[/quote]
how gutting is it with Yossi, he had an unbelievable spell earlier in the season what has happened?
So many of our players have had mini form boosts this season, good month, shocking two months, good month....
You could say the same for Stevie, Deadly and Carra
I'd rather yossi not play at all, he's been dreadful for a fair while now. Babel up top, aqua or lucas behind, gerrard centre with masch. tell Riera to grow up and play maxi on the right with him
[/quote]
how gutting is it with Yossi, he had an unbelievable spell earlier in the season what has happened?
So many of our players have had mini form boosts this season, good month, shocking two months, good month....
You could say the same for Stevie, Deadly and Carra
[quote author=Fox link=topic=39858.msg1090064#msg1090064 date=1271683268]
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39858.msg1089893#msg1089893 date=1271661041]
I'd rather yossi not play at all, he's been dreadful for a fair while now. Babel up top, aqua or lucas behind, gerrard centre with masch. tell Riera to grow up and play maxi on the right with him
[/quote]
how gutting is it with Yossi, he had an unbelievable spell earlier in the season what has happened?
So many of our players have had mini form boosts this season, good month, shocking two months, good month....
You could say the same for Stevie, Deadly and Carra
[/quote]
He has been continually played in the one offensive position that does not suit him, sadly Rafa seems to be the only person in the world that does not see that.
regards
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39858.msg1089893#msg1089893 date=1271661041]
I'd rather yossi not play at all, he's been dreadful for a fair while now. Babel up top, aqua or lucas behind, gerrard centre with masch. tell Riera to grow up and play maxi on the right with him
[/quote]
how gutting is it with Yossi, he had an unbelievable spell earlier in the season what has happened?
So many of our players have had mini form boosts this season, good month, shocking two months, good month....
You could say the same for Stevie, Deadly and Carra
[/quote]
He has been continually played in the one offensive position that does not suit him, sadly Rafa seems to be the only person in the world that does not see that.
regards
[quote author=Fox link=topic=39858.msg1090064#msg1090064 date=1271683268]
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39858.msg1089893#msg1089893 date=1271661041]
I'd rather yossi not play at all, he's been dreadful for a fair while now. Babel up top, aqua or lucas behind, gerrard centre with masch. tell Riera to grow up and play maxi on the right with him
[/quote]
how gutting is it with Yossi, he had an unbelievable spell earlier in the season what has happened?
So many of our players have had mini form boosts this season, good month, shocking two months, good month....
You could say the same for Stevie, Deadly and Carra
[/quote]
You just have to look at Yossi's playing record in 2010. 3 starts + 4-5 subs in about 15 league games. He was hit by injuries. That says it all.
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=39858.msg1089893#msg1089893 date=1271661041]
I'd rather yossi not play at all, he's been dreadful for a fair while now. Babel up top, aqua or lucas behind, gerrard centre with masch. tell Riera to grow up and play maxi on the right with him
[/quote]
how gutting is it with Yossi, he had an unbelievable spell earlier in the season what has happened?
So many of our players have had mini form boosts this season, good month, shocking two months, good month....
You could say the same for Stevie, Deadly and Carra
[/quote]
You just have to look at Yossi's playing record in 2010. 3 starts + 4-5 subs in about 15 league games. He was hit by injuries. That says it all.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39858.msg1089841#msg1089841 date=1271630805]
Step forward Daniel.
Hopefully he will get a few starts now to show what he can do.
Big chance for him.
[/quote]
Step forward Daniel.
Hopefully he will get a few starts now to show what he can do.
Big chance for him.
[/quote]
Pacheco's in Madrid. Just seen him on the photos of the team training there. So whatever the tournament was, he's obviously back from it.
Now play the little fucker, Rafa.
Now play the little fucker, Rafa.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39858.msg1091312#msg1091312 date=1271884006]
Pacheco's in Madrid. Just seen him on the photos of the team training there. So whatever the tournament was, he's obviously back from it.
Now play the little fucker, Rafa.
[/quote]
Please!
Pacheco's in Madrid. Just seen him on the photos of the team training there. So whatever the tournament was, he's obviously back from it.
Now play the little fucker, Rafa.
[/quote]
Please!
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