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Claude Puel at Southampton

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A bit too early to praise him but he has made an impressive start at Southampton. Eighth in the league and one point behind Manchester United while playing some good football. Very impressed with the way Southampton run their football operations. Players leave, managers leave and they keep chugging along. It will be interesting to see if they can develop their operations to compete at the top end of the table.

Article in Guardian:


When Manchester City take the field on Sunday they will be watched by an extremely demanding manager who is demonstrating this season why he has a reputation for cultivating an attractive style of play, improving young players and making contentious decisions. Claude Puel is no Pep Guardiola but Southampton are finding the Frenchman has a way of working that takes some getting used to. And it could bring fresh success.
Ronald Koeman, like Mauricio Pochettino before him, seemed to think he had squeezed as much juice as any manager could get out of Southampton, a club that continually sells its best players. Southampton have a knack for renewing and advancing, and their appointment of Puel in the summer looks typically shrewd.
For seven consecutive years the club has improved its league position, culminating, it seemed, with Koeman guiding them to sixth in the Premier League last season before hightailing to the suddenly flush Everton.


There are signs that Puel could deliver more progress even if climbing higher than sixth in the league may be beyond him given the strides made by other clubs. There are cups to consider, and a style that is already exciting Southampton fans.
Southampton go to Manchester City on the back of some of the slickest performances they have produced since returning to the top flight in 2012. They include Thursday’s defeat at Internazionale, whom Puel’s side outplayed for most of the match before conceding their first goal from open play in eight games. An uncharacteristic defensive lapse coupled with repeatedly shoddy finishing meant it was certainly not a perfect display but otherwise it was as encouraging as most of Southampton’s have been this season.
The most obvious difference between the Southampton of Puel and Koeman is this season’s model is more dominant, more daring and less predictable. That means reduced emphasis on counterattacking and crosses, though these are of course not forsaken.
It is not easy to teach a team to keep the ball more without slipping into readable patterns. The key, beyond instilling a tigerish hunger to seize back the ball when it is lost, is to foster understanding and confidence so that players move in tune with each other. The man on the ball must always have several options and the courage to choose the most adventurous one. Puel has bred this quickly, making it clear to his new charges in his first match, at home to Watford, that he would not tolerate them easing their way into the possession game with cosy sideways play. “At half-time he was noisy,” Oriol Romeu said last week when recalling that match. “He just wanted us to be braver and to take responsibility. We were all a bit shy.”
Romeu is worth mentioning because he plays a pivotal role under Puel and is a good example of the manager’s ability to hot-wire potential. The Spaniard was a fringe player last season but has started all but one of Southampton’s Premier League and European games this season despite Puel’s heavy rotation. He protects the defence by snuffing out opposing attacks wherever they may be (he has made more interceptions than any other player in the league this season) and helps coordinate forward movements.
“When you are in the right place you can recover a lot of balls,” Romeu says. “When we’re playing out from the back, making the angles between defence and midfielders, I need to provide the link-up.”
Romeu has been especially dynamic but most of Southampton’s players have become used to making and exploiting similar angles, Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg often being the most savvy passer. Rather than play in formulaic lines Southampton advance as a nimble swarm.
Puel’s team play with freedom within a flexible 4-3-3 template and, in that sense, they are similar to the side he left in May, Nice, whom he guided from the depths of Ligue 1 to European qualification. Perhaps the biggest achievement in his last campaign at Nice was coaxing consistent brilliance from Hatem Ben Arfa, who, for the first time in his stop-start career, found a unit in which it was easy for him to understand when to serve the collective simply and when to unfurl his individual trickery. Without playing precisely the same role as Ben Arfa, Dusan Tadic and Nathan Redmond have shown signs of becoming similarly consistent this season.
Redmond may or may not thank his manager for saying in public he has the ability to emulate Thierry Henry, whom Puel helped to develop at Monaco, but the 22-year-old is already playing better than he did at Norwich and, indeed, if he plays on Sunday he may show that he is a lot closer to the level of Raheem Sterling than previously supposed, whether he spends most of his time out wide or in the centre, where Puel says he can become most dangerous.
Puel has a habit of getting players to excel in unfamiliar positions. In his first managerial role, at Monaco, he convinced Marcelo Gallardo, a central midfielder, to operate from the left and the Argentine ended the season as the Ligue 1 player of the year as they won the league. His first signing at Southampton was Jérémy Pied, a journeyman midfielder whom Puel converted successfully into a raiding right-back at Nice, just as he had done at Lille with Mathieu Debuchy.
When injury deprived Southampton of Ryan Bertrand and Matt Targett last week, Puel gave a first Premier League appearance from the bench to Sam McQueen, a midfielder who performed so well at left-back that he was entrusted with his first senior start at the San Siro on Thursday.
McQueen’s appearance, like Jake Hesketh’s goalscoring outing in the EFL Cup in September, highlighted another reason why Puel was hired. The man whose Monaco team were the youngest to win Ligue 1 is expected to rekindle the link between Southampton’s first team and their celebrated academy, which Koeman let go a little cold. Even during a three-season stint at Lyon that ended with no honours and a lot of recriminations, Puel helped develop some classy youngsters.
It is impressive that Puel has been able to make a mark already despite being deprived of two of his principal signings. Pied suffered a season-ending injury in his first match and Sofiane Boufal, the winger signed for £16m from Lille, was not able to make his debut until the second half of the game in Italy. That match, despite a generally positive performance, showed the area in which Southampton still need to improve a lot: their finishing remains gallingly slapdash.
Even Charlie Austin, by far the club’s most reliable marksman, has been guilty of spurning chances despite scoring seven goals in his last seven games. That, at least, gives an indication of how many chances Southampton have been creating.
Some Southampton fans were frustrated Austin did not start at San Siro but Puel was unapologetic. He was Monaco’s fitness coach before becoming their manager and insists that players need to be as close as possible to peak fitness to play with the zeal he demands. So he has tended to change at least half his team from game to game as Southampton combine European duty with domestic chores. So far they have done that well, maintaining their thrilling new identity despite the high turnover of players. Guardiola’s team will have their work cut out on Sunday.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/oct/22/sounthampton-claude-puel-manchester-city
 
Bloody Southampton, man.

What is it they are doing there?!

Every year they lose a high-profile player or three. Time after time, progress is disrupted by managers being poached and a new one starting again.

Each and every time they land some cracking bargains, end up with managers that just 'fit' and carry on where they left off - or worse, do better than their predecessors with a depleted squad and some bargainous replacements (who get sold for thrice the price the following summer)!

Arrrggghhhh!!

Seriously though, they are definitely getting something right with the way they run things there.
 
Nathan Redmond looks superb, Southampton have to be praised at how they keep doing this, an example to many of how a football club should be run.
 
Buying Redmond and giving him a platform to excel with better players and a style that's suits him is a genius move.
Getting Clyne for free.
Tadic for half of what we paid for Lallana.
One thing is clear, their owner who inherited the club from her football mad father and was ready to sell it must be happy now. They're making tons of money. It's basically the Sporting business model.
 
They were not really affected by the sudden departure of Nicola Cortese too.

How big a role does Les Reed play in the running of the club? (Sorry for side stepping away from the topic of Puel)

(@peekay pipped me to it by a min 😛)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11366206/Gary-Neville-The-era-of-the-gaffer-is-over.html
Gary Neville's column dated Jan 2015
[article]A few years ago, like many others who are close to the game, I would have bristled at the mention of a director of football - a technical or sporting director.
To me, the manager was the ultimate authority on all football club matters. But talking this week to Les Reed, who has overall control at Southampton, has strengthened my belief that 95 per cent of clubs will adopt the model that has been so successful for the Saints.

Southampton, who are third in the Premier League table with 16 games to go, are all joined-up, from the under-7s to the first team Ronald Koeman has coached so well. I spoke to Reed about the club’s ‘Black Box’ – a darkened room he compares to the “Bridge of the Starship Enterprise” – and why preparing in advance for the loss of a manager is just as important as planning which players to buy.

The January transfer window is upon us and there cannot be many clubs better equipped to make good decisions. In the longer term, if Koeman were to leave – for Barcelona, say – then Southampton would already know which coaches would fit their profile. Future proofing and being prepared for all eventualities seems simple but so many clubs fail to get it right.

Reed tells me: “We have a whole department for the recruitment of players, but it struck me some years ago that when a manager leaves, that’s when the club reacts and starts looking for a new one. I think we should be as diligent with that, because of the turnover of managers these days.

“Whether they are fired or attracted to another club, as with Mauricio [Pochettino], you have to be as far ahead with potential coaches as potential players. So I’m always tracking managers and coaches. What’s their style of play, how successful are they, what’s their personality like – so you can be ahead of the game. So I’m always looking at five or six potential managers who have already impressed me. It’s made it quicker. We’re not having off the wall discussions.

“I don’t have the owner appointing a manager and saying: ‘By the way, you’ve got to work with this sporting director.’ I control that whole process. It makes it a lot easier. I’m able to tell them we’re looking to keep them in the job for as long as possible - as opposed to somebody who’s looking over their shoulder and almost looking for reasons to move them on.”

Last week I wrote about a club, QPR, that from the outside looks like it has a complex structure. Southampton are the opposite. As a part-owner of Salford City, I have been scouring the game for the right model. The title ‘Director of Football’ is a loaded one in English football, because it implies interference in first-team affairs – and someone above the manager buying the players – but Southampton have shown it can work, if everyone is aligned.

Reed says there are moves afoot at the Premier League to formalise the role – but Southampton already have their chain of command worked out, with a “slim” organisation of specialists all working as one. “I’m basically responsible for everything to do with football at the club. That goes from the academy right down to the U-7s and U-8s, right through to the first team,” Reed says. “We don’t call it the training ground any more. We call it the Staplewood Campus – and that’s because it envelops everything to do with football development, football research and football support.”

So far so good, but with so many clubs making mediocre or outright bad decisions in the transfer market, I ask Reed who calls the shots at St Mary’s. January signings, for example, would involve him, the chief scout, the head of recruitment and, of course, Koeman.

“The first stage is – what do we think we need?” Reed starts out. “We audit the squad. Then Ronald might say – we need another winger, or cover at centre-back, or whatever. We then have a discussion about the type of player. The coach can then leave the recruitment department to discuss potential targets, and these would then be set out for Ronald - 'Do they fit, what would be your preferences in order?'"

Reed and Koeman then discuss the finance. “My role is getting Ronald what he wants. My job is to support him. At no time was it better illustrated than in the summer when we did something like 22 transactions in a very limited space of time and got a good strong squad together for the start of the season.

“Initially my job is to identify coaches who will buy into it [the club model] because of the track record they’ve got and the style they play. We look for evidence that they’ve brought young players through before.

“So far I’ve hit the nail on the head with managers who have a very similar philosophy – and that’s what attracted them to the club. Ronald is evidence of that. It didn’t take long for him to buy into what we’re trying to do. I’m entrusted to do the recruitment from minute one, to the point where I present the manager to the board as the one I want to appoint.

“Someone’s not going to come in here and say – ‘Scrap all that, I don’t want all that, this is the way I do it.’

"We think we’ve done a lot of work and we continue to try and stay ahead of the game, so what we provide for a manager is everything he could possibly want. [Some clubs] go for a personality or a track record and the manager says – ‘If I come to you, if you’re lucky enough to have me, I want this, this, this and this.’ We would never go down that route. We will not be interviewed by a manager - we will interview them"

That last sentence in particular struck a chord with me. A club should not breach its philosophy for an individual.

“We have a very sound business plan. Because this club nearly went out of existence our job is to make sure that never happens again. So we do due diligence rather than gamble.”

Southampton have been so successful in producing young players and recovering from last year’s exodus (Adam Lallana, Luke Shaw etc) that other clubs regularly try to poach their academy staff. “We are a victim of our own success in that respect,” Reed says.

But the ‘Black Box’ I’d heard so much about remains a powerful asset. I ask Reed to tell me more.

“It’s a viewing area for about half a dozen people,” he says. “There’s a big consul desk for the analysts to sit on and stools at the back. It blacks out – that’s why we call it the Black Box – and the screen comes to life. We’ve pulled together all of the software that’s available off the shelf in terms of data, scouting, analysis – all that stuff. We took all that and designed a bespoke piece of software that brings all that into one.

“All of our pitches at the training ground have remote control cameras which come back to the Black Box. An analyst could have any training session, whether it’s under-8s right the way through to the first team. All that data is coded and analysed and it can be used for any age group of players, merged with match analysis, used as a teaching tool. So when our scouts are out doing opposition reports all that’s fed in automatically.

“In terms of recruitment, we have feeds from most of the good leagues around the world. We have analysts who chop them up and code them. When we’re looking at players we have instant access to video material or statistical analysis. It enables us to compare potential recruits with the profiles of our own players. That’s one way we can compare potential recruits with our own academy players and say – you know what, this kid meets the profile anyway. That helps all of our decision-making.

“We’ve got a fantastic group of eyes-on scouts and fantastic analysts – so the idea is that they challenge each other all the time. So when a scout says - this is the best striker in Croatia, the analysts have all the data to challenge it.

“You come out of meetings and you can see everyone’s motivated by it. We have conflicting views and debates. But we have enough back-up to say – this is right, this is right. Everybody comes out of them good friends.”

This type of joined-up thinking, planning and detail is where football has to and will go. This modern structure where the head of analysis is aligned with the head of recruitment onto the head coach, the sporting director and board.

As transfer fees are getting bigger owners will want a level of due diligence that you would expect in other business sectors. You would never buy a property without doing a valuation, a survey and not knowing how you were going to use it or what it could do for you. You'd also like it to maintain or appreciate in value.

Under Nicola Cortese, the former chairman, Southampton adopted a more top-down approach. The days of the autocrat manager are done at Southampton. The idea of a new manager having the power to rip up the sports science department, shred the academy, control player purchases and take away the stability in its entirety has to be a positive move.

A lot of attention is rightly given to the average lifespan of a manager going down by the year. However, there is no doubt that within the structure Southampton adopt, there is far less upheaval and that the identity of the club, continuity of the majority of the staff and link between youth and first team remains intact.[/article]

Meanwhile, back to Puel:

France and Arsenal legend Thierry Henry credits Puel for the way in which he developed his famous finishing technique. While working alongside Puel at AS Monaco, Henry was made to rehearse the same sequence to shooting over and over again. After netting a goal against Ireland in Dublin to all but seal France’s spot at the 2006 World Cup, Henry said; “I want to dedicate it to Claude Puel.”

During his time in France, Puel has handed senior debuts to a number of high-profile players. The likes of Eden Hazard, Eric Abidal, Hugo Lloris, Yohan Cabaye and Alexandre Lacazette have all benefited from Puel’s willingness to give youth a chance.

Thierry Henry: The Biography: The Amazing Life of The Greatest Footballer on Earth (2006)
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Thierry Henry: Lonely at the Top: A Biography (2012)
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You're not really sidestepping the thread subject though. Puel, like all their managers, is one cog (admittedly an important one) in a larger wheel.

Holy guacamole, how we could have done with at least some of the approaches described in that article over the past quarter-century.
 
I really think this approach is the future. This club has been run in an amateurish and incoherent way for years, now we've lucked out with getting Klopp, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't start developing this kind of structure. The most historically successful clubs have been ones that have a very developed philosophy and way of running things that doesn't depend too much on who is currently in charge – Bayern is a great example.

Klopp stayed for 7 seasons in Mainz and 7 seasons in Dortmund. If he leaves LFC for Bayern after 6 seasons (hopefully having won some major trophies along the way), we better have a structure ready and not fall back into the amateurish stuff again.
 
I really think this approach is the future. This club has been run in an amateurish and incoherent way for years, now we've lucked out with getting Klopp, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't start developing this kind of structure. The most historically successful clubs have been ones that have a very developed philosophy and way of running things that doesn't depend too much on who is currently in charge – Bayern is a great example.

Klopp stayed for 7 seasons in Mainz and 7 seasons in Dortmund. If he leaves LFC for Bayern after 6 seasons (hopefully having won some major trophies along the way), we better have a structure ready and not fall back into the amateurish stuff again.

I've said it elsewhere, but Klopp really gives us a platform for the future. His track record suggests that he offers stability along with a good level of success. During his time here I hope and expect that he will bring improvements to the club structure - such as move to Kirkby for the first team - and leave us with much more of an identity in terms of playing style.


Klopp's appointment could be the most important thing the club has done in recent years, without this we could have seen the club slip further behind.

Bayern is a good example, but in our case the way Thomas Tuchel has taken over the reins at Dortmund might be an even better one.
 
Nathan Redmond looks superb, Southampton have to be praised at how they keep doing this, an example to many of how a football club should be run.
In fairness it looks a very good buy as he showed few glimpses of Premier League quality before he signed. They obviously spotted the potential for him to play centrally and that has so far transformed his career, he looks much more of a threat centrally than he did out wide. That said, I'm still not totally convinced he's worth much more than the £10m that Saints paid for him, this could be just a streak of good form c/f Amir Zaki, Michu, Andros Townsend, etc.
 
Good read despite having my eyes almost popping out of their sockets due to the blatant lack of spaces between sections..
 
It would seem folly to give the manager all the power nowadays given how ridiculous the managerial turnover is. Klopp has only been at Liverpool 10 minutes and he's already been in his job longer than 10 or so prem managers.
 
I really think this approach is the future. This club has been run in an amateurish and incoherent way for years, now we've lucked out with getting Klopp, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't start developing this kind of structure. The most historically successful clubs have been ones that have a very developed philosophy and way of running things that doesn't depend too much on who is currently in charge – Bayern is a great example.

Klopp stayed for 7 seasons in Mainz and 7 seasons in Dortmund. If he leaves LFC for Bayern after 6 seasons (hopefully having won some major trophies along the way), we better have a structure ready and not fall back into the amateurish stuff again.

We should start building the footballing infrastructure to support the manager, no doubt about it. I believe in a good setup where there is a strong scouting team to support the managers vision and style of football, a DOF to negotiate the transfers - most of our past managers ( Houllier, Rafa, Brendan, King Kenny) could have won us the league. The problem with us is that the manager takes on too many responsibility - medical staff, trainers, U19 coach, U15 coach, youth team hiring, upgrading the academy - get themselves stretched thin. If we had a strong group supporting the manager then the manager can focus purely on the first team coaching which would help us.
 
Southampton are the future? Wow great! Selling at least two of your best players every year to bigger, richer clubs, losing your manager as soon as they have any 'success' and never winning anything ever.

Yayyyyyyyyyy!
 
Southampton are the future? Wow great! Selling at least two of your best players every year to bigger, richer clubs, losing your manager as soon as they have any 'success' and never winning anything ever.

Yayyyyyyyyyy!
Exactly what I thought. I'd be devastated if we went the same route by selling our best players every year, without fail, against both managers and supporters' wishes.
 
Southampton are the future? Wow great! Selling at least two of your best players every year to bigger, richer clubs, losing your manager as soon as they have any 'success' and never winning anything ever.

Yayyyyyyyyyy!

rurikibird said this approach is the future as in the way they meticulously plan their footballing side of things.
 
rurikibird said this approach is the future as in the way they meticulously plan their footballing side of things.
Their meticulous planning, if done correctly, could have shot them up the league. Instead they remain mid table because their managers, if they haven't sold those managers already, never get to keep their best players and build on it.
Athletico, I'd understand. Southampton directors are dickheads.
 
It's easy to criticise them/highlight their shortcomings from a 3rd party point of view (about their failure to hang on to their star players and not challenging for honours etc.) but you have to consider their recent history.

2004/5 - relegated from Premier League (20th) --> The year we won the (six crazy minutes) Champions League
2008/9 - relegated from Championship (12th, 6th, 20th, 23rd)
2010/11 - promoted from League One (7th, 2nd)

[April 2010 - "Reed was appointed Head of Football Development and Support at Southampton, overseeing four main areas: the Youth Academy, Scouting and Recruitment, Sports medicine and Science, and Kit and Equipment Procurement."]

[article]Saints chairman Nicola Cortese added: "From the outset we have made clear that our plan is to get into the Premier League and compete effectively in that division. To achieve this we need to have created a strong foundation for the long term and we are now turning our words into actions.

"Les shares the same ambition. He brings great experience and, most importantly, a wide network of contacts that is key in such a project.

"The work is already underway to get the right people on board for the new Centre structure to be successful and we are making the necessary investment to get this done over the immediate period ahead."[/article]

2011/12 - promoted from Championship (2nd)
2012/13 - 14th in Premier League (41 pts)
2013/14 - 8th in Premier League (56 pts)
2014/15 - 7th in Premier League (60 pts)
2015/16 - 6th in Premier League (63 pts)

Look at that vs. our progress or even that of many other clubs (e.g. Aston Villa reached 2 cup finals and make it to 2 cup semi finals over the same period of time, finishing 6th thrice in a row etc.).

Epitomises the saying of "no player/one person is bigger than the club", don't they? Nicola Cortese, Nigel Adkins, Mauricio Pochettino, Ronald Koeman and all those players/ talented youngsters sold yet also keeping a good core throughout those years - Schneiderlin, Lallana, Fonte, Lambert etc.
 
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Their meticulous planning, if done correctly, could have shot them up the league. Instead they remain mid table because their managers, if they haven't sold those managers already, never get to keep their best players and build on it.
Athletico, I'd understand. Southampton directors are dickheads.

I dont think selling players year after year is something they really want to do. It is difficult though when Ian Ayre pops up there every summer with 50 million in cash and their players make it clear they want to join us.
 
Their meticulous planning, if done correctly, could have shot them up the league. Instead they remain mid table because their managers, if they haven't sold those managers already, never get to keep their best players and build on it.
Athletico, I'd understand. Southampton directors are dickheads.

They were in the Championship 4 years ago. Their progress has been very impressive.
 
Look at it this way: how much more successful would have we been if we leveraged LFC's brand and resources (which are far greater than Southampton's) in executing a similarly clear, consistent strategy instead of stumbling from one conflicting vision to another depending on whether Rafa, Hodgson, Kenny or Rodgers happens to be the manager?

If you don't want to use Southampton as an example, fine – how about Sevilla, Dortmund or Atletico Madrid? In the last 7 years those 3 clubs have won 7 (!) Europa leagues (Sevilla 5, Atletico 2), 3 domestic titles (Dortmund twice and Atletico once), and reached CL final 3 times (Atletico twice and Dortmund once). That's some achievement in the game dominated by the super-rich clubs and a testament to the strength of a model that's based on smart science-based scouting and a unified vision that transcends any individual manager.

It's pretty infuriating to me how many years we have wasted surrounding our genuinely all-time great players like Gerrard and Alonso and Suarez with fucking Andy Carrolls, Jovanovics and Balotellis – while clubs with far fewer resources have been consistently signing excellent players and building really strong, competitive teams that won or seriously challenged for trophies year after year. It's time we got our act together.
 
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Its quite shocking in all honesty. For every manager we've had comes a completely different set up and squad overhaul. Not only do you find yourself contantly rebuilding but there isnt any long term planning involved at all.

Sevilla, Dortmund and Atl Madrid all seem to have brilliant DoFs with an excellent understanding of the transfer market but also the vision of the club.
 
Their meticulous planning, if done correctly, could have shot them up the league. Instead they remain mid table because their managers, if they haven't sold those managers already, never get to keep their best players and build on it.
Athletico, I'd understand. Southampton directors are dickheads.

You think this amazing strategy and meticulous planning could have got them challenging for a title?

Or are you saying that everything is in place, strategically, apart from the bit about 'selling their best players every year'?

This thread is bollocks.
 
It's as much a question of personnel as it has been of strategies IMO. Such strategies as we've applied have been poor, which is no surprise because (at least until FSG's arrival) those who formulated and applied them have been incompetent, crooked or both. Southampton have made a far better job of things and, given the resources they've had (or, more to the point, haven't had), they've overachieved as a result, by contrast with our stumbling across the occasional Cup in spite of ourselves. Surely there can't be any controversy about the fact that they've made more of what they've had than we've managed to do?
 
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Southampton are the future? Wow great! Selling at least two of your best players every year to bigger, richer clubs, losing your manager as soon as they have any 'success' and never winning anything ever.

Yayyyyyyyyyy!
Outside the top ten maybe fifteen clubs in the world, that's pretty much the reality of things, it's easy to scoff at that mentality as a fan of a super rich club, but the way they take maximum profit from losing their top players and use it to improve the club as a whole should be admired.
 
You think this amazing strategy and meticulous planning could have got them challenging for a title?

Or are you saying that everything is in place, strategically, apart from the bit about 'selling their best players every year'?

This thread is bollocks.
Not sure I get your argument against my post. I'm saying they're shite and I wouldn't be happy if I were supporting them.
 
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