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Chelsea ratings and tactics

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rurikbird

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Tactical set up:

1st to 29th minute (3-4-1-2)

------------Sterling---Suarez---------
-----------------Gerrard--------------
Enrique---Sahin----Allen---Johnson
-------Agger---Carra---Wisdom-----

30th to 60th minute (3-5-2):
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------------Sterling---Suarez----------
------------Sahin---Gerrard-------------
Enrique--------Allen-----------Johnson
--------Agger---Carra---Wisdom-----

60th until the end (4-2-3-1):

---------------Suarez----------
Enrique------Suso-------Sterling
-----------Allen---Gerrard--------
Johnson---Agger---Carra---Wisdom


Player ratings:
Jones 7.5 - maybe his best performance for us yet. Saved us on several occasions, good decision-making in terms of when to come out and when to stay in goal and his distribution was not horrible. He is growing in confidence.
Carra - 7. Used his experience and ability to read the game very well and mostly kept Torres in check. Mata and Hazard gave him trouble and he did commit a couple of mistakes they thankfully didn't capitalize on. Extra 0.5 for the assist.
Agger - 6. At first I thought he was entirely responsible for the goal. But after watching several replays I now think it was really a case of miscommunication with Gerrard - we play zonal defense and Terry made a run into Gerrard's territory. Not sure if Agger was still supposed to have followed him or it was Gerrard's mistake for not picking him up. But in any case it was a bad mistake by our defense, it's simply unacceptable to leave Terry of all people completely unmarked in the box. It might also be Rodgers' fault for not defining the areas of responsibility more clearly.
Wisdom - 5.5. Chelsea were smartly forcing us to play the ball to Wisdom time and time again and his safety-first attitude and lack of confidence in possession made out build-up slower and more cumbersome which really hurt our attacking play. Nothing against the kid, he tries his best as always, but with every game it seems more obvious to me that he is not going to make it as a full-back in a possession-oriented side and really should be converted back to CB.
Enrique - 6.5. I think we have an enigma here. Enrique is very mediocre at some things and very good at other things and I guess that's how it's going to be. In the first half, when we had 65% possession and the game was more cautious and tactical-oriented he just seemed ill suited for this game, too simple-minded and technically inferior to his opponents. In the second half players on both sides got tired, the tactical discipline was lost and there were many more one on one duels, where Enrique really thrived, winning most of his individual fights and not letting anybody get the better of him. Go figure.
Johnson - 6.5. We couldn't give him the ball enough, which was unfortunate because he clearly looked like one of our classiest players and was playing against a rookie.
Allen - 5.5. And that's being generous. Unfortunately, I am starting to doubt if Allen is actually all that good. He is getting found out and is low on confidence. I can understand getting shrugged off the ball easily and being easily beaten by a fast and skillful opponent - he is not a specialist DM and is playing there only out of necessity (although for a game such as away at Chelsea I would consider Henderson in this position if I was Rodgers). But I really can't imagine Xavi giving away the ball so often, even a 22-year old Xavi (to be fair, I don’t remember how Xavi looked at 22. But I remember Iniesta.) And if he is making so many bad passes in his own half, when there is much more space and the opponents are outnumbered, that doesn’t give me much confidence in his ability to orchestrate the passing game in the attacking third, where space and time will be at a premium and our players will be outnumbered by defenders.
Sahin - 6.5. Many people thought he was disappointing. I disagree. I thought Sahin was our best player in the first half and looked more comfortable playing in the middle 2 with Allen (finally!). He showed good reading of the game and intelligence with a few interceptions and defensive plays and he probably made more successful forward passes than any of our midfielders. That’s where he needs to be, orchestrating the play from deep rather than running box-to-box. Started to fade a bit in the second half which shows his physical condition is still not where it needs to be.
Gerrard - 6. Was a bit anonymous for an attacking midfielder in the first half and didn’t offer much support to Suarez. Might have been somewhat at fault for the goal (see Agger). In the second half moved deeper and made a lot of usful contributions, mostly in defense, but also that great through ball to Sterling. His experience is invaluable in such a young side. But I am starting to think he might never be the attacking force he once was.
Sterling - 7.5. Didn’t see much of the ball in the first half, but boy, was he good after the game opened up! Love his swagger and attitude, his ability to shield the ball and to win the 50/50 challenges against much bigger and older opponents. He is going to be amazing at 23, maybe even world-class.
Suarez - 7. I don’t like how he tries to do everything by himself, that’s not a good sign for the team. He badly needs a partner to play one-twos with. I thought Gerrard could be that partner, but for some reason it didn’t really happen tonight. His scoring rate now is amazing now, but many of these goals would have been scored even if he was playing on the wing - like the set piece today. It’s still not clear where his best position is.
Suso - 6. A little generous considering several terrible giveaways he committed and that he probably didn’t win a single 50/50 duel against a Chelsea player. But he made a couple of nice attacking plays and brought some new energy. Overall, I think Suso is much more raw than Sterling at this point, he is already good at some things, but there are many obvious holes in his game.

Rodgers - it’s worrying that with each game we get progressively further away from his ideal style. Under pressure against Everton we played almost Stoke city football; lots of long punts, hopeful crosses and center-backs running into the box for every single free kick. Against Chelsea he chose to start with his most cautious formation to date and we looked like a mid-table team that plays like it knows it’s a mid-table team. Which is an opposite of Swansea under Rodgers, which was a mid-table team that thinks it’s Barcelona. I don’t know what it is, either Rodgers is realizing that he cannot achieve the style that he want with the current crop of players, or he is simply losing control over the direction of the team. It can’t be a coincidence that Joe Allen is having his worst performances in Liverpool just as the team’s style is becoming more pragmatic, but I don’t know if it’s the cause or the consequence. Rodgers might get praise from some pundits for changing the formation 3 times during the game and rescuing the point, but switching between plans A, B, and C is something Mourihno would do, whereas Guardiola even under pressure would keep tweaking and improving the plan A until the opponents can’t cope. Rodgers needs to decide if he is going to be an idealist or a pragmatic. He is kind of in-between right now and that’s not a happy place.
 
Enrique - 6.5. I think we have an enigma here. Enrique is very mediocre at some things and very good at other things and I guess that's how it's going to be. In the first half, when we had 65% possession and the game was more cautious and tactical-oriented he just seemed ill suited for this game, too simple-minded and technically inferior to his opponents. In the second half players on both sides got tired, the tactical discipline was lost and there were many more one on one duels, where Enrique really thrived, winning most of his individual fights and not letting anybody get the better of him. Go figure.

He frustrated me with his inability to look across the Chelsea back line & stay onside. Beign as he was out on the touchline it really shoudlnt have been that hard to stay onside
 
Whatever position Joe Allen plays in, be it his favourite or not, there's little point comparing his play to Xavi and Iniesta; he's nowhere near as good as those players and never will be.
Agree with most of the others, Sahin excepted, who is another I just don't get.
 
  • Jones - 6 - Kicking drives me up the wall. Decent shot stopper.
  • Johnson - 6 - Didn't do enough going forward, no howlers which is good.
  • Jose Enrique - 8 - Thought he was excellent. Got forward and really contributed, and defended. The rest might have sorted him.
  • Agger - 5 - Sloppy and continues thinking he can score from 40yards.
  • Carragher - 7 - Used his experience for some crucial blocks and tackles. Verrrrrrry slow nowadays lol
  • Wisdom - 6 - Sloppy and distribution was poor. Kept stopping, looking bewildered then passing the ball backwards.
  • Şahin - 6 - Anonymous. Again.
  • Gerrard - 6 - Seemed to be playing as a DM again, where we can't get any use out of him. Quiet game.
  • Allen - 6 - Steadily going downhill, offered nothing and keeps getting bossed off the ball. He'd better turn into Xavi when Lucas is back.
  • Sterling - 7 - Lots of running and had Chelski worried, but no end product as usual.
  • Suarez - 8 - I don't think there's anything to say that hasn't been already. Saving our asses every week.
 
I wouldnt call 3 poor games being found out or not being very good.
The kid is ace and needs to be given time and maybe a rest.
 
An odd thing is how badly the team starts and only seems to wake up after half time. And that's been going on, more often than not, for at least three years.
 
Now I dislike Enrique more than most, but he was one of our best players yesterday, in fact probably was our best, giving him a 6.5 is just stupid, Mors' 8 is on the mark.
 
Oh and Allen was terrible yesterday, he looks a little knackered and understandably so, he'll get a deserved rest during the international break seems as Wales don't have a game.
 
Sorry OP but those ratings are appalling.

Agger should be have been 5 at a push, Sahin was 3, Allen, 4, wisdom 4/5. Carra and luis easily an 8

If chelsea had thier finishing boots they could easily have been 3 up at half time.

We were much better from 60th minuate onwards
 
I thought Carra was at fault on a couple of occasions that could and should have led to Chelsea goals. Most notably at the end of the first half when he took out Agger (and 1 other) which put Mata through who missed the target.

He was strong in the air but his decision making at times was very rusty.
 
Wisdom only misplaced 1 out of 44 passes, 97% was the highest of all the players on the pitch.
Thats good considering the pressure they put him under.
 
Good job Enrique and Johnson were boss because the central midfield was gash. Allen, Sahin and Gerrard all struggled... But whatevers, Suarez and those two wing backs are ace, as is Raheem, as was Suso when he came on. I can live with Wisdom making a couple of mistakes against the European Champions. He's only learning and made up for most of them.
 
Sterling with no end product?
C'mon Mors he laid the pass into Suso which he blasted wide and he also played an important role in the move that led to Enrique's decent chance.
Fffs give the lad a break.
 
Wisdom only misplaced 1 out of 44 passes, 97% was the highest of all the players on the pitch.
Thats good considering the pressure they put him under.
As I said earlier - his confidence is shot. I'm sure 40 of those 44 passes either went to Carra or back to Jones.
 
I'll just comment on a few;

Jones: pulled off a couple of fantastic saves though still looks a little suspect in crosses.He's not going backwards though and my wait for him to make the error that sees Pepe in goal is looking further away.

Carra: Was nice to see him there in terms of sentiment but he didn't inspire confidence on several occasions; just rusty or past it - I'm not sure. The effort to arch his neck for the flick to Suarez was sensational.

Enrique: I don't know what people are looking for; he put in a sensational shift in the first 30 minutes and takes it as a personal insult if someone outmuscles him - something several others could learn from. Some of his passing was awry but he was under pressure most times and trying to clear. He's been poor many times but was an outstanding contributor on this occasion and should get the credit.

Gerrard: Didn't get into the game up front with Luis but looked much better dropping back which really frustrated me. That said Allen was having a torrid time up the back, couldn't find a forward outlet and we looked utterly ponderous going forward. I know it was a strong Chelsea side but we seemed to be looking for the slowest route forward and it made us look truly average. When Gerrard went back we looked more incisive and his pass for Sterling was excellent and bettered by his ball for Suarez.

Sahin: I don't get him yet. I'm still willing to give him time but he never looks the part for me.

Allen: I still think he'll be fine when he's got Lucas behind him. His honeymoon is coming to an end but he's got very good touch and movement. The only worrying thing is that his first time passing is deserting him which isn't really his touch but more his awareness of team mates. Needs to get his mind back on the job but he's concentrating on something that's not coming naturally. He'll be ok.

Sterling: We've been missing a player like him since McMoneyman left. His intention to run at players, the skill to pull it off and the fact he's still a kid are all reasons to be happy.

Luis: Could have won it for us near the end and probably should have. That said he's scoring for fun at the moment which seems strange given some of the chances he misses and the ones he puts away.

Rodgers: The worst starting set up I've seen from him; gave away too much room, possession and respect. Liked the way he changed it with Suso who wasn't great, tbh, but everyone else came into the game after he arrived.
 
Carra's shouted advice to Enrique was quite funny at times - 'Don't foul him!' seemed to be the most repeated scream whenever Jose went towards an opponent out on the wing, which seemed a bit superfluous at this level until you realised it was indeed Enrique. But he did do well yesterday.
 
Firstly I think we need to remember who we were playing, the European Champions and at their home ground. Some supporters think that a struggling Liverpool team should go there and just walk over them.

Jones - 7 - He is more than a Championship keeper and although not in the Pepe of 2 years ago class he is matching the Pepe of last season and this.
Agger - 6.5 - Do we play zonal defence ? I don't think so. Players seem to be assigned certain responsibilities but they are not as stringent as a Rafa style zonal system. Agger was clearly at fault for letting Terry go. That, and his stupid scoring attempts from 40 yds out, aside he was quite accomplished and I loved his runs out of defence that shocked Chelsea every time he made them.
Carra - 7.5 - He organised the 3 man back line superbly, Hazard, Mata, Torres, Oscar - that forward line have been scoring plenty of goals, and this should not be under-valued. Maybe this is why he was chosen and not Coates.yes he made some mistakes and he doesn't have the legs - but luckily he didn't really need them too much in that game.
Wisdom - 5 - I'm trying not to be too hard on him. He made a couple of near horrendous errors that this time we didn't pay for, and his confidence is shot. Virtually all of his passing was sideways to Carra or back to Jones. This didn't look like the kid of 5-6 games ago. The last 2-3 games have been very tough on him and he is still very very young.
Enrique - 8 -I've said it already in the match thread. In the first half I was counting and loking for his mistakes (twice he lost possession and twice he waas dispossessed - one of which he recovered superbly). In the 2nd half he was even better. He was our main attacking outlet on the left, yet tracked back, won possession and not once did any threat materialise when he dropped into the LB slot. Add to that his energy all over the pitch and talk of him having a bad game is just biased bollacks. He deservedly won MoM, not just by some on here, not just by Lawro but by ex-footballers as pundits too. This was the Enrique of last season.
Şahin - 6.5 - a little disappointing but you can see the class and control he has when in possession. I'm a little disappounted at the lack of creative passing in the final third he has shown to date and this match was no exception. Ran out of steam.
Allen - 5 - he is better than this as he has shown already. how fast some people forget. This though was another of those Jekell and Hyde performances we have seen from him in some matches.
Johnson - 7.5 - I've always been a staunch defender/admirer of his and his class is there for all to see. In this match, when his defensive responsibilities were minimalised, he shone.
Gerrard - 6.5 - Showed lots of energy and showed again that talk of his legs going is rubbish. Could have done more in an attacking sense.
Sterling - 7 - He plainly terrifies opponents/managers. Teams are now doubling up on him and Suarez, which should leave more space if only we would commit more players to the attack. Again yesterday he waltzed through them a number fo times and what I find very impressive is his skill in being able to constantly lay the ball off to a team mate even when under great pressure.
Suarez - See Sterling. Without the distraction of diving/faking he is always a pleasure to watch. Didn't have a much success as Sterling yesterday, clearly Chelsea had Mikel and Ramires playing almost as double DMs to defend against S&S (Ramires with more licence to go forward) but it is exciting to have players like Sterling/Suarez/Suso and Assaidi who can get past players on pure dribbling skill alone. I feel this team has a great basis, we just need to build on it.
Suso -A breath of fresh air when he came on. We are a better team when he plays because he is an attack-minded player with great feet and vision.

Rodgers - I love a manager that is prepared to make changes early when things start going cock-eyed. I continue to see improvements in the team and think that we will challenge tor 4th by the end of the season, with the next two transfer windows helping to refine the team and their style of play in the image that Rodgers envisions.

That said yesterday, and in fact in most matches, we need to commit players to the opponents box. At HT (I didn't see the final stats for this) Chelsea had had 8 shots, 7 from inside the box - and they should have scored more than that one. We had had only 1 shot from inside the box. This has been a recurring theme for 3-4 seasons now.
 
And why is that a bad thing? He's 19 and away to Chelsea. Keep it simple.
If you want to keep it that simple we can stick a wooden post or my grandmother out there. The way he's playing at the moment I'd prefer Flanagan out there.

BTW what has happened to Kelly ? When is he due back ?
 
Sterling with no end product?
C'mon Mors he laid the pass into Suso which he blasted wide and he also played an important role in the move that led to Enrique's decent chance.
Fffs give the lad a break.


I want the lad to succeed as we all do, but at the moment, he's not creating any clear cut chances, no assists, and no goals. Therefore that's 'no end product' for me. Him teeing up half a chance doesn't cut it for me.
It may all change in time (i.e in a few years time, look how long its taken walcott to turn from a headless chicken) but at the moment, he's just running around a lot worrying defenders for me.
 
So we were all tripping at the Reading game?

He's played 10 league games this season and contributed what on the assists and goals front? 1 swallow doesn't make a summer. Sahin has scored 1 league goal, and got 2 assists to his name this season also...... That doesn't make him Messi either.
 
I'm not slagging the lad, he's a very bright prospect, I just dont think he's ready to be playing week in week out in our starting 11. He doesn't offer enough. I'd have Assaidi start and have Sterling come on as sub most games when the opposition tire. But then again, the gaffer is seeing something about Assaidi that I'm not, and that's why he's not starting.
 
You can't say 'no goals' when objectively it's a lie. You can say you don't think he's any good. You'd be wrong but there's an element of subjectivity there. On the goal thing, there isn't.
 
If you want to keep it that simple we can stick a wooden post or my grandmother out there. The way he's playing at the moment I'd prefer Flanagan out there.

BTW what has happened to Kelly ? When is he due back ?
Out for most of the season
 
Is sterling getting criticised because he only has 2 assists and a goal to his name, in his first season in professional football, and under a new manager, playing in a team which has a massively disjointed midfield?






Am i right in reading that?
 
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