Carroll - I wasn't given a chance
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Rodgers didn't rate him, or wanted the money we'll get for him to better the squad in other areas. I'm rather positive he had a striker in mind and that his whole attitude toward Carroll would have been different if he knew what would go on during the last day of the transfer window.
Let's be honest though - Carroll is far better suited for the style West Ham play, and not what we're trying to do. Would he have been a useful squad player? Yes. Should we have let him go without a definite replacement signed/loaned up? No. What's done is done though - we'll get better and I wish him the best, unless he's playing us obviously.
Let's be honest though - Carroll is far better suited for the style West Ham play, and not what we're trying to do. Would he have been a useful squad player? Yes. Should we have let him go without a definite replacement signed/loaned up? No. What's done is done though - we'll get better and I wish him the best, unless he's playing us obviously.
Or a gentle, loving, caressing face rub ...
He's shit for us. He's not getting a chance because he is what he is and was for us. Shit.
Fat Sam messing with the boys head, gets him to diss club to alienate said club, Fat Sam gets player at knock down fee as everybody agrees 'no use keeping unhappy player at club'.
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I don't think it was Andy Carroll he wanted to get rid of, it was "Liverpool's 35m striker Andy Carroll".
He scored an important goal in the semi, but to say 'he got us to the final'? You're building up his contribution in the cup run as if he was the only one who did anything.
He's right, he was used sparingly last season and Rodgers made his mind up about him straight away.
The only justification for me would have been the notion that we shouldn't have a £35m forward sat on the bench while we struggle with a forward line that cost less than that combined.
The problem is, we then proceeded to bend over and take it whichever way any half bit club wanted to give it to us. Leaving ourselves with no one in the process.
It's been a criminal deal from start to finish, overpaid, underused and ultimately, stubbornly dismissed. He deserved a chance unless we were going to sell, we didn't sell so we're fucking clueless dickheads.
The only justification for me would have been the notion that we shouldn't have a £35m forward sat on the bench while we struggle with a forward line that cost less than that combined.
The problem is, we then proceeded to bend over and take it whichever way any half bit club wanted to give it to us. Leaving ourselves with no one in the process.
It's been a criminal deal from start to finish, overpaid, underused and ultimately, stubbornly dismissed. He deserved a chance unless we were going to sell, we didn't sell so we're fucking clueless dickheads.
He hardly dissed us in that interview.
The whole thing from Rodgers arrival seemed badly handled. Maybe Carroll didn't suit his style, but surely there was a more subtle way of putting that out than he did. "Hello everyone, I've just burned my bridges with my England striker, so you can get him on the cheap".
I like the way we are moving as a club under Rodgers' management, but he may need a little refresher course on public management of established players. Barcelona now are very much aware that they can get Downing at knock-down value.
The whole thing from Rodgers arrival seemed badly handled. Maybe Carroll didn't suit his style, but surely there was a more subtle way of putting that out than he did. "Hello everyone, I've just burned my bridges with my England striker, so you can get him on the cheap".
I like the way we are moving as a club under Rodgers' management, but he may need a little refresher course on public management of established players. Barcelona now are very much aware that they can get Downing at knock-down value.
He wasn't shit - he's not a great striker, but he's defo not shit.
I really hope West Ham stay up and buy him outright.
He seems like a good lad and all that but he isn't going to work in the new system IMO.
He seems like a good lad and all that but he isn't going to work in the new system IMO.
What are people's opinions of what a "fair chance" actually is?
For me it would have been to be given a regular starting place to give him a chance to prove that he could fit in a system. Rodgers obviously decided that he couldnt do that, and that being so, made the right decision to move him on. Kenny simply never gave him that opportunity IMO.
For me it would have been to be given a regular starting place to give him a chance to prove that he could fit in a system. Rodgers obviously decided that he couldnt do that, and that being so, made the right decision to move him on. Kenny simply never gave him that opportunity IMO.
Kenny changed his physical fitness regime once he realised it was making more rather than less sluggish, he and Steve Clarke worked hard to blend him into their system and, in the final few months of last season, it began to pay dividends. Making that seem like less of an effort or an intelligent judgement than just ostracising him from the off is pretty perverse.
I've always found that argument illogical. If we were thinking of the best way to allocate our resources, he should've been measured in terms of what he was worth at that point, not what we paid for him. Therefore it wouldn't have been a case of having 'a £35m striker on the bench' but more like a £10-12m striker on the bench, which sounds a lot more reasonable.
Like I said . IMO. I just have this memory of Carroll getting into a reasonably good run of form only to find himself benched for the next game. Maybe Im being unfair on Kenny
The fee we were looking for at that point was mooted to be £17m (not that it really matters), we had Borini and have Sterling/Suso. It might be illogical in terms of a player being worth what his value is to the given side, rather than his purchase value, but it was illogical of us to have a £17m striker sat on the bench when the team needed investment.
I'd agree if we got £17m for him and reinvested it, but we didn't, and we would've if we could, so it's fair to say his value at the time *wasn't* £17m. I reckon it was something like £10-12m.
Just a matter of record - he made 47 appearances last season (30 starts) last season - second highest in the squad.
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