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Can we all forget about this nonsense of us winning the league?

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peterhague

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NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.


Tony Cascarino

It is an anguished and oft-used chant from football fans: "You're not fit to wear the shirt". Well, I'm sorry, but I found myself humming the same tune when I watched Liverpool lose 2-0 to Fiorentina in the Champions League in Italy.

I'll name names, too: Lucas Leiva, Emiliano Insua, Fabio Aurelio, Martin Skrtel. Are they really fit to wear the Liverpool shirt? Are they really up for it or up to it? Not from what I saw on Tuesday night, nor from what I've seen previously.

Up for it? I suppose possibly, marginally. I don't think I could question their comittment or attempts to fight for the cause. But up to it? I don't think so. They're just not good enough, especially Lucas.

The Brazilian is probably one of the most un-South American players I've ever seen and his impact in midfield, at best, appears negligible. If Steven Gerrard is off the boil, others have to step up to the plate. Lucas disappears; responsibility is not his forte. Not that Aurelio, another Brazilian, gave him much support. He was similarly woeful.

Insua, the left back, cannot defend for love nor money and Skrtel, all 6ft 4in of him, was given the runaround by Stevan Jovetic. OK, the Montenegrin is being billed as the next wunderkind of European football but, for goodness sake, Skrtel should be able to handle him. Allowing yourself to be bullied by a 19-year-old kid is simply embarrassing.

This foursome is just gruesome and I fail to comprehend why Rafa Benitez bought them. I don't see Manchester United, Chelsea or Arsenal having four first-team players not good enough to slip on the jersey. Those teams don't carry passengers.

While I'm at it, is Glen Johnson really a £17 million right back? Yes, he's good going forward. You get your £17 million-worth then. As a defender, though, he plays like a £500,000 Portsmouth reject. When he gambles along the right flank, Liverpool have no protection, no cover, no safety net. Along with Joleon Lescott, at £22 million, Johnson is the most overpriced of the summer signings.

Gerrard, on song, is superb. Javier Mascherano also and Fernando Torres is in a class of his own. Yossi Benayoun is a decent player, though it's always him who seems to be sacrificed after a defeat, while Alberto Aquilani could provide a boost when he recovers from injury. But when Liverpool are bad, they are really bad, like they were against Fiorentina and against Tottenham and Aston Villa in the league.

United, Chelsea and, occasionally, Arsenal can do ugly. They find ways to win when they are not playing well. They have other players who can lift their game when the superstars are struggling. What or who can Benitez call on? Not a lot. I see grim times ahead for Liverpool. Tuesday night might not be a one-off.
 
woohoo!!! We're going to win league.

Trust me Peter I have never known a football/betting expert to be more consistently wrong than Cascarino - he even admits he's lost £100,000's gambling.

I love reading the Racing Post on Saturday when Cascarino regularly tips against the teams I'm thinking of tipping - I see his tips against my selection as vindication that I'm correct. He is seriously bad.

Unfortunately he is right about Lucas but even Glock couldn't fail to notice the boy is shite.
 
Cascarino is spouting a giant crock of donkey shite there.

i don't ever remember journalists saying Toure was shite, or that Rafael had his ups and downs for Utd.

It's a fucking joke.
 
United, Chelsea and, occasionally, Arsenal can do ugly. They find ways to win when they are not playing well. They have other players who can lift their game when the superstars are struggling

Cough .... Burnley
Cough ..... Wigan
Cough ..... Man City


Oh do fuck off Cascarino you dumb fuck.
 
Buy a copy of tomorrow's Racing Post, they do about 10 pages of football info/tips at the back some of which is very good. Read Cascario's tips - back against them and watch the money come rolling in.
 
There's stuff called cascara which used to be (not sure if it still is) prescribed as a powerful laxative.  Small wonder a pillock named after it talks such sh!te.
 
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woohoo!!! We're going to win league.

Trust me Peter I have never known a football/betting expert to be more consistently wrong than Cascarino - he even admits he's lost £100,000's gambling.

I love reading the Racing Post on Saturday when Cascarino regularly tips against the teams I'm thinking of tipping - I see his tips against my selection as vindication that I'm correct. He is seriously bad.

Unfortunately he is right about Lucas but even Glock couldn't fail to notice the boy is shite.
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i know, i was being sarcastic. the article's a pile bollocks.
 
I agree with him about Lucas though. Got no Brazilian flair, not a great tackler, his passing range is average, he takes no chances or responsibility - he just goes missing - a complete passenger in our team. It irks me that he's now a first teamer.
 
one out of four ain't bad, if he managed that with his tips we'd all make some money.

limp lettuce lucas has never been nor ever will be fit to wear the shirt. if rafa carries on playing him it'll eventually cost him his job.

aqauman where are you?
 
oh yea i'm the daft twat whilst we spend a record amount 20 million on a midfielder that might not be ready in time to make any difference this season in the league. never mind your cock sucking pal lucshit can come to the rescue.
 
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oh yea i'm the daft twat whilst we spend a record amount 20 million on a midfielder that might not be ready in time to make any difference this season in the league. never mind your cock sucking pal lucshit can come to the rescue.
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Rage, could you answer me exactly who on this forum thinks that Lucas should be a starting central midfielder? Stop making this stupid strawman argument. Just because you are capable of imagining everyone on this forum felating Lucas, doesn't invalidate every argument you encounter.

If Alonso wouldn't have gone anyway, then Rafa's error was two years ago, not this summer. Given that he wasn't given any money net to play with, it was all the more important he got exactly who he wanted to. Whether or not that risk pays off isn't something we can evaluate until we see Aquilani play quite a few times.
 
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36233.msg956356#msg956356 date=1254528396]
oh yea i'm the daft twat whilst we spend a record amount 20 million on a midfielder that might not be ready in time to make any difference this season in the league. never mind your cock sucking pal lucshit can come to the rescue.
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Rage, could you answer me exactly who on this forum thinks that Lucas should be a starting central midfielder? Stop making this stupid strawman argument. Just because you are capable of imagining everyone on this forum felating Lucas, doesn't invalidate every argument you encounter.

If Alonso wouldn't have gone anyway, then Rafa's error was two years ago, not this summer. Given that he wasn't given any money net to play with, it was all the more important he got exactly who he wanted to. Whether or not that risk pays off isn't something we can evaluate until we see Aquilani play quite a few times.


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everyone who fails to criticise whenever lucas does start.

i can't wait to see aquilani play, just hope its not too late for this season.
 
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=36233.msg956363#msg956363 date=1254529434]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36233.msg956356#msg956356 date=1254528396]
oh yea i'm the daft twat whilst we spend a record amount 20 million on a midfielder that might not be ready in time to make any difference this season in the league. never mind your cock sucking pal lucshit can come to the rescue.
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Rage, could you answer me exactly who on this forum thinks that Lucas should be a starting central midfielder? Stop making this stupid strawman argument. Just because you are capable of imagining everyone on this forum felating Lucas, doesn't invalidate every argument you encounter.

If Alonso wouldn't have gone anyway, then Rafa's error was two years ago, not this summer. Given that he wasn't given any money net to play with, it was all the more important he got exactly who he wanted to. Whether or not that risk pays off isn't something we can evaluate until we see Aquilani play quite a few times.


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everyone who fails to criticise whenever lucas does start.

i can't wait to see aquilani play, just hope its not too late for this season.
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So THAT'S the barometer for whether we're all "cocksucking pals of lucshit", as you so elquantly and humerously put it..?

Maybe we could wait to see if he's terrible before actually crucifying him, eh? He's not often been our worst performer this season, y'know.

Nevermind though - Carry on...
 
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=36233.msg956363#msg956363 date=1254529434]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36233.msg956356#msg956356 date=1254528396]
oh yea i'm the daft twat whilst we spend a record amount 20 million on a midfielder that might not be ready in time to make any difference this season in the league. never mind your cock sucking pal lucshit can come to the rescue.
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Rage, could you answer me exactly who on this forum thinks that Lucas should be a starting central midfielder? Stop making this stupid strawman argument. Just because you are capable of imagining everyone on this forum felating Lucas, doesn't invalidate every argument you encounter.

If Alonso wouldn't have gone anyway, then Rafa's error was two years ago, not this summer. Given that he wasn't given any money net to play with, it was all the more important he got exactly who he wanted to. Whether or not that risk pays off isn't something we can evaluate until we see Aquilani play quite a few times.


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everyone who fails to criticise whenever lucas does start.

i can't wait to see aquilani play, just hope its not too late for this season.
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That's a bit retarded.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=36233.msg956375#msg956375 date=1254530996]
everyone who fails to criticise whenever lucas does start. lodge a predictable, tedious as fuck, blatantly obvious opinion, over and over, at each and every opportunity.
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Rage is a cretin.
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rage is a winner.
 
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36233.msg956375#msg956375 date=1254530996]
everyone who fails to criticise whenever lucas does start. lodge a predictable, tedious as fuck, blatantly obvious opinion, over and over, at each and every opportunity.
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We should have a prediction thread to anticipate next years whipping boy. Geez I remember the days when it was Jamie Carragher.
 
So do I. Brendan once had a pop at me for saying so, but a few years ago quite a few people on KT were regularly calling him "Log".
 
To be honest, I fully understand rage's frustrations over Lucas (maybe not as extreme). But just thinking about him as a first teamer in our side gets me angry (he's a decent squad option, at best).

I do think we'll have a good opportunity of winning this league if we can just stick with the leaders (3-5points) until Aquilani comes back in. Then we'll be playing games with 11 players on the pitch.. and not 10 + a passenger.
 
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