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Can Rodwell step up and go from a Jack to a King?

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King Binny

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SOMETIMES, the kids are all right. Just all right. No better than all right.

Nothing whips up the imagination more than the "next big thing" coming through the Academy.

But history tell us for every Ryan Giggs there is a Russell Beardsmore. For every Wayne Rooney there is a Danny Cadamarteri. For every Ashley Cole, a David Bentley.

So many players are introduced amid volumes of hype, only to turn up in the obscurity of the Beazer Homes League several years later.

We're partially to blame, of course. Nothing excites a fan or journalist more than identifying a talent you believe is certain to make the breakthrough.

To this day the name Anthony Le Tallec makes me shudder. Le Tallec eclipsed Cristiano Ronaldo at the 2001 FIFA Under-17 World Championships. One went to Liverpool, the other to Manchester United, and 10 years later those of us predicting great things from both were made to look very foolish.

Whatever happened to that Ronaldo fella, by the way?

The damning, unapologetic conclusions of hindsight make it a risky business jumping on the wrong bandwagon. On my own patch, the lists of recent undistinguished prodigies who moved on after little or no impact serves as a warning to any teenager basking in the glow of a positive match report or two.

Michael Branch, Jon Otsemobor, Steve Simonsen, Richie Partridge are a few who shone at youth level on Merseyside, enjoyed favourable early reviews, but couldn't make the step up.


The question at Goodison today is which list Everton's Jack Rodwell will be on in 10 years' time? Recognised as a world-class player or one of those featured on "Where are they now?" compilations?

Rodwell looked to be as sure a thing as you get when he made his senior debut three years ago.

He is still linked with a £20million-plus move to Manchester United every transfer window, even though there is precious little explanation as to why, other than a solid reputation and clever marketing.

Potentially, Rodwell is a great player. The trouble is that word "potential". He is still only 20 and injuries have delayed his progress (an issue in itself), but there is also a visible lack of drive and aggression in his game which is raising doubts about how good he will become. He has no fixed position yet, which may be part of the problem.

Seen as a future England centre-half at 17, he's now a central midfielder who struggles to dominate games, even against lowly opposition.

Whether the problem is mental or physical, or simply inexperiences, there are now misgivings among those (of which I include me) who were certain 18 months ago that if he wasn't in the Euro 2012 squad, he'd definitely be at the next World Cup.

When Everton have a fully fit squad, Rodwell is on the bench. He's not even on Fabio Capello's flight path, never mind showing up on his radar.

David Moyes has been preaching patience with Rodwell since day one. No question to him about the player is answered without the stress on how much improving needs to be done.

Moyes knows only too well about the perils when a prodigious talent starts to absorb the hype before justifying it.

Soon after their 17th birthday they're deciding that the familiar local agent who looked after them since they were nine doesn't cut it any more, and they sign up to one of the bigger boys.

The first car of a Volkswagon Golf is instantly replaced by an Audi TT. They become the young face of Umbro or Adidas before they're the face of their own club.

The speculation about United and Chelsea begins after a few first-team appearances and contract extensions arrive with regularity. They are dressed up as expressions of loyalty, but in reality are a product of niggly negotiations where the new agent is demanding mega pay hikes.

Everton suffered with the virtual instant loss of Wayne Rooney. Go further back and Francis Jeffers (left) and Michael Ball moved on too quickly and never fulfilled their exciting early potential.

It is a demonstration of how Rodwell's development has stalled that it is unclear whether he will be a Rooney or a Jeffers.

For Rooney, the move to United was the catalyst for greater success. For Jeffers, the switch to Arsenal hastened an alarming decline.

When Rooney was sold, amid the fury there was heartbreak. If Everton get £20m for Rodwell, some fans might give a gentle tut-tut, but it is telling that most will gratefullly take the cash (as long as it goes on new players rather than paying off overdrafts).

This was meant to be the season Rodwell stepped up and stood alongside Jack Wilshere as the future of England's midfield.

He is a long way behind the Arsenal man today. He is currently just another all right young player.


That is not enough for someone who has the ability, and carries the expectation, to be far more.
 
HARRY REDKNAPP wants to make Jack Rodwell his first big signing of the summer.

Tottenham's boss was disappointed to miss out on long-term target Phil Jones.

The Blackburn defender snubbed Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool and agreed terms with Manchester United last week.

Now Redknapp has turned to Rodwell, a player who shares Jones's ability to play either as a centre-back or a defensive midfielder.

Sources say United went for Jones after going cool on a £25million swoop for Rodwell.

But the 20-year-old Everton star remains much coveted, with Chelsea and Manchester City also monitoring him.

Tottenham are looking to sell Wilson Palacios to finance other signings and Rodwell would fight it out with Brazil international Sandro for the holding midfield position at White Hart Lane.

He would also provide an alternative in defence
, where the fitness of Ledley King and Jonathan Woodgate and the uncertainty about Sebastien Bassong's future point to a vacancy.

English 'talent' at premium prices... 😱
 
i have a couple of bluenose mates and their attitude to Rodwell is interesting. They think he's good, and obv.he's young enough to improve, but they don't think he's excellent yet. One thinks they should keep Rodwell and develop him, but the other would be willing to let him go now as he's not entirely sure how much improvement there is in Rodwell, hence also whether they'll get as much for him if they do sell him on later.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=45259.msg1347736#msg1347736 date=1307866666]
i have a couple of bluenose mates and their attitude to Rodwell is interesting. They think he's good, and obv.he's young enough to improve, but they don't think he's excellent yet. One thinks they should keep Rodwell and develop him, but the other would be willing to let him go now as he's not entirely sure how much improvement there is in Rodwell, hence also whether they'll get as much for him if they do sell him on later.
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Im sure I read well before Kenny was back at the helm that he had been quoted as saying somewhere that he reckoned Rodwell was the best player to come out of merseyside since Gerrard. They'd hardly sell even if we we're interested though!
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=45259.msg1347736#msg1347736 date=1307866666]
i have a couple of bluenose mates and their attitude to Rodwell is interesting. They think he's good, and obv.he's young enough to improve, but they don't think he's excellent yet. One thinks they should keep Rodwell and develop him, but the other would be willing to let him go now as he's not entirely sure how much improvement there is in Rodwell, hence also whether they'll get as much for him if they do sell him on later.
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TBH I think that's bravado cos they know they're losing him. He's the dogs bollocks mate, the closest thing to a midfield dynamo at that age since I saw Gerrard tear around the pitch with gangly legs flying into challenges he had no right to win.

He'll go to Utd, obviously, for a large fee, & they'll get ten years of the best English midfielder since Stevie. Sad but true.

We'd have to pay about 10m more than Utd to mean Everton could sell to us without upsetting the fans to the point of mutiny, & that just isn't an option.

Also, their stance over Baines is telling, they've refused to take any of Comolli's calls or return them. They wont even say no. Just no acknowledgement!
 
Is he really as dynamic as Gerrard?

I always thought he was a bit more static and 'composed'. I've not seen much of him though.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45259.msg1347762#msg1347762 date=1307871335]
Is he really as dynamic as Gerrard?

I always thought he was a bit more static and 'composed'. I've not seen much of him though.
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He's as dynamic; but yeah, he's more composed in the fact Moyes has shaped him a little more than Stevie was at that age so he doesn't fly in to everything so gung ho.

Not really a bad thing.
 
Re: Re: Can Rodwell step up and go from a Jack to a King?

I can't see him developing much more tbh. I think he's bought into his own hype and I know a few blues who think they should sell while they'll get the best value
 
Really? I just think he's stymied by Everton's lack of quality around him. Whilst not a terrible side, in terms of playing style, Everton arent a patch on the side Gerrard came through in.
 
Re: Re: Can Rodwell step up and go from a Jack to a King?

The lack of true quality around him is apparent, but arteta, fellaini and osman is hardly a talentless squad. There's talent around him, just not as much as the top 4. He's impressed me in 2/3 games. Overall I think he goes missing quite a lot
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45259.msg1347874#msg1347874 date=1307890896]
Ive never really 'got' it with Rodwell.
Not arsed.
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x2. What's he actually done to warrant this adulation?
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=45259.msg1347757#msg1347757 date=1307870400]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=45259.msg1347736#msg1347736 date=1307866666]
i have a couple of bluenose mates and their attitude to Rodwell is interesting. They think he's good, and obv.he's young enough to improve, but they don't think he's excellent yet. One thinks they should keep Rodwell and develop him, but the other would be willing to let him go now as he's not entirely sure how much improvement there is in Rodwell, hence also whether they'll get as much for him if they do sell him on later.
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TBH I think that's bravado cos they know they're losing him. He's the dogs bollocks mate, the closest thing to a midfield dynamo at that age since I saw Gerrard tear around the pitch with gangly legs flying into challenges he had no right to win.

He'll go to Utd, obviously, for a large fee, & they'll get ten years of the best English midfielder since Stevie. Sad but true.

We'd have to pay about 10m more than Utd to mean Everton could sell to us without upsetting the fans to the point of mutiny, & that just isn't an option.

Also, their stance over Baines is telling, they've refused to take any of Comolli's calls or return them. They wont even say no. Just no acknowledgement!
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I like him a lot.....one thing though. If he potentially will be as good as Gerrard and if he ticks all Comollis boxes then how cant it be an option?
We spent 35 mil on Andy Carroll, 20 on Henderson. What would the scum realistically buy him for?? 25 million? 10 million more would be 35 million which in this day and age and mad transfer fees seems a steal for the next Stevie G!
 
Re: Re: Can Rodwell step up and go from a Jack to a King?

I would rather pay 35 mil for downing than rodwell
 
Is that original piece from Chris Bascombe?

A mate of mine is a Blue, and he was basically saying he'd snatch United's hand off if they offered £20-25m. Thinks he's good, but Rodwell 'thinks' he's actually a lot more advanced as a player than he actually is. Like he's already made it type of attitude, going through the motions until Ferguson comes knocking.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=45259.msg1347855#msg1347855 date=1307890054]
I like Rodwell, but he will never come close to Gerrard.
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x2. It would be very hard to emulate Gerrard.
 
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=45259.msg1348070#msg1348070 date=1307913006]
What attributes does Rodwell possess?

From what i've seen from him, he's plain ordinary.
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Excellent passer with both feet, all round midfielder, but does lack the nescessary aggression I think personally. Not sure where his best position is.
 
From today's article linking Chelsea with a move for him.

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He seems pretty injury jinxed though.
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=45259.msg1447901#msg1447901 date=1324399101]
Ha!

A large number of Blues told me that Saha was better than Torres!
[/quote]They would be right now though 😀
 
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