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6th in the table above Spurs. Their strength has been their defence. Is it their organisation which makes their defence so good or is it they have better personnel.
 
They keep it simple. They play the ball out wide all the time and just keep crossing the ball into the box. Chris woods could have had a hat trick yesterday.
 
What impresses me most about their team is their organisation. It's clearly not the individuals there. Dyche is very good at getting a team organised and unlike a WBA/Pullis, they offer some quality/threat going forward too.

This is why I know our poor defending simply isn't down to just the quality of individuals. (I bet Lovren would look pretty decent at Burnley, as Michael Keane did before this season). Our poor defending is down to a combination of factors:

  • Having a relegation-level Shot stopping GK who inspires little to no confidence
  • Lack of a true sitting DM. Hendo can't cut it.
  • Our shape, when in a 4-3-3. It's simple. 2 screening midfielders is usually more secure than one. Also having no target man, means we generally don't hold the ball up well.
  • Poor concentration on the basics of defending; at set pieces, throw ins, long punts.
  • Lack of ability to keep the ball (Arsenal) or kill the game (United/Chelsea) when we are 2 goals up. We seem to have to either counter and get more goals (no target man doesn't help), or we retreat to our box and get bombarded. There doesn't seem to be an in-between option.
  • A lack of ball winners with a genuine desire to stop the opposition (a Matic/Kante type). Henderson doesn't really cut it. We also play far too many attacking players and keep the game open even when goals up.
  • Lack of quality commanding defenders, specifically a CB. This would help our set piece problem and when we play against a top class CF (ala Kane/City batterings).
 
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I watched James Tarkowski a lot when he was at Brentford. He was a ball-playing defender in a team that tried to build from the back. At times he could get exposed and he was prone to making mistakes. At Burnley it's obvious that the set up is very different and he's obviously been told that his priority is to defend. People are talking about him as a potential international but put him in an England shirt (or a Liverpool one) and he'd be much more exposed and less effective. They call it Michael Keane syndrome...
 
They came 16th last year with 40 points

Let’s not start sucking Dyche’s cock and wondering what Liverpool and Klopp can learn from fucking Burnley just yet

Yeah even without the slightest bit of statistical considerations it's obvious they aren't great and this is just luck / randomness at play.

I bet their expected goals metrics are indicative of that.

I mean they've scored 14 goals in 14 games, and conceded 11. They're a hardworking disciplined side who are riding their luck at the minute.
 
Yeah even without the slightest bit of statistical considerations it's obvious they aren't great and this is just luck / randomness at play.

I bet their expected goals metrics are indicative of that.

I mean they've scored 14 goals in 14 games, and conceded 11. They're a hardworking disciplined side who are riding their luck at the minute.

Yep, I'm amazed he didn't go for the Everton job TBH, nice payday, & if he kept them up he'd inevitably be able to spend some more cash in the summer than he would there.
 
Yep, I'm amazed he didn't go for the Everton job TBH, nice payday, & if he kept them up he'd inevitably be able to spend some more cash in the summer than he would there.
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The managers with the best reputations all know when it's time to move.

When their luck inevitably turns the focus will be on Dyche. But it might not be until next season that they come back to earth
 
To be fair to him, Dyche seems like a nice, genuine bloke, which is a welcome contrast to the likes of Alan Pardew, Fat Sam, Steve Bruce, Hodgson, Redknapp etc, all of which seem to exhibit some type of personality disorder.
 
To be fair to him, Dyche seems like a nice, genuine bloke, which is a welcome contrast to the likes of Alan Pardew, Fat Sam, Steve Bruce, Hodgson, Redknapp etc, all of which seem to exhibit some type of personality disorder.

Dyche has exhibited a bit of the Sam's - that's is to say he's complained about foreign managers coming in and getting fawned over by the media when he is allegedly using the same innovative training methods and getting no love.

Do not like. Hope the regression to mean comes soon, other than when they play the other too sides
 
Yeah even without the slightest bit of statistical considerations it's obvious they aren't great and this is just luck / randomness at play.

I bet their expected goals metrics are indicative of that.

I mean they've scored 14 goals in 14 games, and conceded 11. They're a hardworking disciplined side who are riding their luck at the minute.

Bang on. Expected goals has them dead last in the league. He should have taken the Everton job.

https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/news-...ier-league-table-according-to-expected-goals/

Incidentally, Expected goals has us second behind City, showing the impact of our poor finishing and error prone defending and keeping.
 
Bang on. Expected goals has them dead last in the league. He should have taken the Everton job.

https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/news-...ier-league-table-according-to-expected-goals/

Incidentally, Expected goals has us second behind City, showing the impact of our poor finishing and error prone defending and keeping.
But he was never offered the Everton Job. I'm sure he would have taken it given half the chance. He's always hinted that he wants the chance at a bigger club. He really is a Fat Sam clone in terms of management style so i can't see the bigger clubs wanting someone like him.
 
Dyche has exhibited a bit of the Sam's - that's is to say he's complained about foreign managers coming in and getting fawned over by the media when he is allegedly using the same innovative training methods and getting no love.

Do not like. Hope the regression to mean comes soon, other than when they play the other too sides

Yeah, he’s a fucking cock.
 
But he was never offered the Everton Job. I'm sure he would have taken it given half the chance. He's always hinted that he wants the chance at a bigger club. He really is a Fat Sam clone in terms of management style so i can't see the bigger clubs wanting someone like him.

It seems as if Everton put all the eggs in the Silva basket, and had they actually engaged Dyche at the time, they would have had a much better chance. And then they had to go crawling back to a miffed Allardyce after he walked away.

Every Everton fan I know would have taken Dyche over Allardyce, although that seems partly based on one being a less known quantity than the other
 
But he was never offered the Everton Job. I'm sure he would have taken it given half the chance. He's always hinted that he wants the chance at a bigger club. He really is a Fat Sam clone in terms of management style so i can't see the bigger clubs wanting someone like him.

Fair enough. Maybe Everton DID look at the advanced stats and said no thanks. Which makes sense if they were all in on Silva, whose Watford is in 7th on that measure.
 
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