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Brodge on why Lovren is first choice....

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Brendan Rodgers is determined to maintain a solid, consistent back four in order to rid Liverpool of their regular defensive mishaps from last season.

And in his opinion, the best way to do that is to use Dejan Lovren alongside Martin Skrtel at centre-back, just as he did for the Stoke fixture last weekend.

This is because Rodgers believes the £20m Croatian will be much better for us this term after struggling badly during his debut campaign.

Rodgers said (via the Echo):

“I thought that back four last week were exceptional.
“I thought he (Lovren) was very, very good last week. I think it’s confidence. I felt – and I said it last year – in his second year he’ll be a better player here.
“It’s such a huge move to come to a club like this and it’s only when they’re in they recognise the expectations that are here.
“It was about trying to find that balance early on in pre-season. We’ve got excellent players here in Sakho, Kolo, but centre-halves will tell you it’s about finding that comfort with a partner, that partnership.
“And I thought the two centre-halves were very good last week and Dejan in particular where he’s aggressive, good in the air, his reading of the game was good and his passing was simple but effective.
“I think he’s gained confidence in pre-season and hopefully that will be maintained.”

Many fans would prefer Frenchman Mamadou Sakho to start ahead of Lovren, and many reckon he’s a better bet than first choice Martin Skrtel, too.

But if Liverpool keep clean-sheets like they did versus Stoke, and continue to win matches, Rodgers will win over supporters who doubt his backing of the former Southampton man.

Our manager is adamant that this season’s keeper and back four need to play with each other consistently to maximise their communication and ability to work as a unit.

So the Stoke team-sheet might be more worrying news for the likes of Sakho and Alberto Moreno (who missed out for Joe Gomez).

“I think it’s key in any team to have players who are going to play consistently for you, especially in a back five that’s vital,” the boss continued.

“I thought the back four and goalkeeper were excellent last week at Stoke.

“I thought their organisation as a group, as a unit, you had Nathaniel Clyne coming in who’s a top defender anyway, very rarely gets beaten, super quick, his covering positions for a young defender is outstanding.

“There was one moment where the ball’s on the far side, he’s got a player outside him but he recognises and smells danger quickly, jumps inside and makes the header away.

“For a lot of teams that’s a goal against you so we’ve got players who want to defend first and foremost which is key to keeping clean sheets and from that you’ve got the platform to play.”
The likes of Moreno, Sakho and Toure may well have to wait until the League Cup and Europa League kicks into action before they’re given minutes this season.

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I've never understand the infatuation folks have with Sakho. He's every bit the liability.

Not saying Lovren isn't like, cos he's a fucking million miles off the Carragher's and Hyypia's of the world, but the way people have banged on about this Lovren over Sakho choice you'd think we were leaving out Franco Baresi.
 
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Moreno come in at LB against Arsenal...or even to see him double up with Gomez as he did in the second half last night.
 
No, there's not a huge amount in it, but on performances I would have judged Sakho to have more of a successful career to this point than Dejan Lovren and I maintain that he should have been our first choice CB. Obviously the manager is privy to far more information than me and he might be completely right, but you can only call it as you see it.
 
I've never understand the infatuation folks have with Sakho. He's every bit the liability.

Not saying Lovren isn't like, cos he's a fucking million miles off the Carragher's and Hyypia's of the world, but the way people have banged on about this Lovren over Sakho choice you'd think we were leaving out Franco Baresi.

It's been the case for a while that our best CB is always the one not playing, precisely because they aren't playing. I tend to disagree with this one if its just comparing Sakho and Lovren without thinking of the partnerships involved. Sakho isn't brilliant, but I think he's better than Lovren from what we've seen, and I think Sakho has more upside. Sakho looks uncomfortable on the ball, but he is a better tackler, better in the air, makes better choices and is more aggressive than Lovren. Lovren gets into some really awkward positions and can't bail himself out.

I do however agree that stability makes sense especially given the new fullbacks, we'll have every opportunity to see how committed to this stability he is, once Lovren is rectally examined by a good side.
 
I look at Sahko for France and see a beast of a player.

I think he has far more potential than Lovren so would prefer he played.

Totes lemotes


Yeah but CB's can't really be viewed in isolation can they? How they play and look on their own in unique games is largely irrelevent.

It's about their partnership, and how they work and combine with another CB. Sakho may well have showed at some stage of his career that he's been a part of a strong CB pairing, but I've never seen it, and on the limited evidence of his set-up with Skrtel last year there wasn't much to write home about.

Lovren by comparison has showed that he can work in a great CB pairing (with Fonte) and as part of a solid defensive unit (at Southampton). Plus BR must think that he and Skrtel have better long-term partnership prospects than Skrtel and Sakho, which I don't overly disagree with to be honest.

I think BR see's far more upside in Skrtel-Lovren than he does with Skrtel-Sakho.
 
Sakho does need to be fit and available like.

How many games was he fit for last season v Lovren?
 
OK, I can understand that the manager has a right to choose one player over another. But why does Sakho doesn't even make the bench, for two games running? Is he behind Toure in the pecking order too? That smells of a rift between a player and a coach.
 
One thing Sakho definitely has over Lovren is the ability to pass the ball "vertically" and get the attack started more quickly.

Lovren did have one nice long diagonal last night to the right wing to be fair.
 
Their respective personalities probably colour people's perspective. Sakho is a gem of a bloke off the field, Lovren looks a major shit on it and a preening popinjay off it. That's irrelevant, of course, to their respective abilities as defenders, but it probably explains some of the views.
 
Seeing as we have tried every other combination, how long before we see lovren and sakho as a pairing in the back four....
 
Their respective personalities probably colour people's perspective. Sakho is a gem of a bloke off the field, Lovren looks a major shit on it and a preening popinjay off it. That's irrelevant, of course, to their respective abilities as defenders, but it probably explains some of the views.


I couldn't quite put my finger on why I marginally prefer Sakho, but that's probably it (plus, I had Lovren down as our #1 key signing last summer and had high expectations, so I'm obviously reacting to that too).

Like you say elsewhere, at least Brendan has made a decision, and hopefully the stability that provides forms the basis for greater organisation and better performances across the backline.
 
If I didn't count them wrongly:

Sakho:
14/15: 16 starts / 18 available


Is that correct mate? Sakho was only available for 18 games last season and started 16 of them? I didn't realise he was unavailable for so many game last season.
 
If we accept a bid on deadline day without sufficient time to get a replacement in then it's really mental.
 
Is that correct mate? Sakho was only available for 18 games last season and started 16 of them? I didn't realise he was unavailable for so many game last season.

Oh you're right, I miscounted by one - he started 15 of the games he was available for (18 - no change to that one). 2 games unused sub, and 1 game he came on as a sub in the 22nd minute at home against West Ham.

Raw data is from transfermarkt; my counting might be iffy. 😀
 
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