Brannagan to Wigan
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A year of 30 games in a competitive league ... we'll learn quickly of how good this kid is, and can be.
It's never really been made clear. I would interpret it as playing some part of 75% of games he is eligible for. So provided he makes sub appearances, then Wigan should be fine.
I can't see Liverpool legally being able to enforce starting 75% of games.
I think I'm right in saying that club hasn't been asking for a loan fee in deals where this clause has been agreed to.
He has already proven he is not gash. If Wigan is not convinced of that, then we would not want him to go there anyway. Seems a good approach to me.
As I said, I'm not saying he's a bad player, I'm saying that the 75% system could backfire. How would you feel if we HAD to play Moreno/Balotelli/Lucas in 75% of games.
If the loan agreement specifies starting 75% of games and if we can prove we waived a fee (or did something else) in exchange for that commitment, we would be able to sue them if they didn't meet it, tho' the question whether we would actually do so remains open. The precise terms of the agreement would obv.be important, but so would usual custom and practice in such cases.
Absolutely agree. And I hope that the agreement is 75% starts - but at this point I'm not convinced so erring on the side of caution.
The Echo article that initially reported the clause - it was actually when the Brannagan deal to Wigan looked like it might fall through - contained the following statement.
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Football League rules prevent clubs from demanding that loaned players start matches, so the Reds have shrewdly introduced financial penalties into their loan agreements punishing clubs who fail to meet their specified appearance criteria.
The Reds do not ask for loan fees either, with the savings on players’ wages during the loan spells considered a negligible factor in the Anfield club’s thinking.
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That does sound a lot like Liverpool have inserted the financial penalties to get around Football League rules, but it's a bit too ambiguous for me at this point to be certain.
75% starts would obviously be better for the players out on loan, so fingers crossed that that is exactly what this "loophole" leads to.
Are we reading too much into the 75% playing clause and the financial penalty for not meeting? Perhaps its the seemingly high percentage that raises the concern.
Since we are not collecting any loan fee, the loaning club just have to take care of the wages. Any penalty would probably be equivalent to (or even lesser than) the amount for a loan fee. Instead of paying a loan fee for a player they may end up not using, that risk is mitigated.
This is more a deterrent for clubs to sign youngsters on loan as options to beef up the squad rather than to force them to hand first team spots to the players. The loaning clubs will need to consider if the signed players suit their style of play and also be more committed towards the development of the players. I doubt the management would want the players to be entitled to such rights instead of earning their rightful place through hard work.
Sounds simple but recent loan arrangements are pretty clear indication that more thought could have been applied to both parent and loaning clubs.
Connor Randall made a 90th min sub appearance in his 1 month loan at Shrewsbury at the start of last year.
Sheyi Ojo
http://www.thisisanfield.com/2016/01/wolves-left-disappointed-by-sheyi-ojos-stuttering-loan-spell/
- Wolves fan's comment: Many fans including ourselves were very disappointed at this signing before he had even kicked a football, because Wolves had wingers of a similar age who, in some fans’ eyes, should have been given an opportunity to develop, instead of developing another team’s players.
- Out of a possible 25 league games he’s made five league starts with a further 12 appearances coming from the substitutes’ bench
Lloyd Jones has been to Cheltenham, Accrington Stanley and Blackpool but never really amass meaningful, regular first team experiences (granted, partly because of his injuries - his contract is ending at the end of this season.
Harry Wilson made 7 appearances (4 of which were as substitutes and was taken off in all 3 of his starts) at Crewe before he was recalled.
Since we are not collecting any loan fee, the loaning club just have to take care of the wages. Any penalty would probably be equivalent to (or even lesser than) the amount for a loan fee. Instead of paying a loan fee for a player they may end up not using, that risk is mitigated.
This is more a deterrent for clubs to sign youngsters on loan as options to beef up the squad rather than to force them to hand first team spots to the players. The loaning clubs will need to consider if the signed players suit their style of play and also be more committed towards the development of the players. I doubt the management would want the players to be entitled to such rights instead of earning their rightful place through hard work.
Sounds simple but recent loan arrangements are pretty clear indication that more thought could have been applied to both parent and loaning clubs.
Connor Randall made a 90th min sub appearance in his 1 month loan at Shrewsbury at the start of last year.
Sheyi Ojo
http://www.thisisanfield.com/2016/01/wolves-left-disappointed-by-sheyi-ojos-stuttering-loan-spell/
- Wolves fan's comment: Many fans including ourselves were very disappointed at this signing before he had even kicked a football, because Wolves had wingers of a similar age who, in some fans’ eyes, should have been given an opportunity to develop, instead of developing another team’s players.
- Out of a possible 25 league games he’s made five league starts with a further 12 appearances coming from the substitutes’ bench
Lloyd Jones has been to Cheltenham, Accrington Stanley and Blackpool but never really amass meaningful, regular first team experiences (granted, partly because of his injuries - his contract is ending at the end of this season.
Harry Wilson made 7 appearances (4 of which were as substitutes and was taken off in all 3 of his starts) at Crewe before he was recalled.
Lucarsssssse..
You'd like to think we'd be after a fullback or 2...i think we'll definitely sign 1 before the 1st september.
Not sure if we are reading too much into it, or just that I am haha. I think, as you point, the 75% seems a high percentage - that is what makes me doubt that it is starts.
Some good info there, thank you. Definitely a plus point that changes have been made, Klopp did seem annoyed at our loan policy on more than one occasion last season.
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