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Babel - Rafa's Biggest Transfer Failure?

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I remember posting long ago that Rafa with Babel had really broken from his normal pattern of buying players who represented little financial risk. For a number of years, the majority of Rafa's purchases, at least in number, were players, for instance Bellamy, for the skwad, who hold resale value, or cheap or freebies (josemi) with little downside (besides their being inevitably quite shit). Because the skwad was so thin, Rafa was able to cycle through shit until he got it right. Arbeloa for instance, was our third or fourth crack at a right back, but we didn't lose much on any of the others. Morientes for instance was another safe bet to recoup money should he fail, as he did. Large purchases he made were for the first team, and he enjoyed consistent success there, right up until Keane.

Players for the future were generally quite young, and while there has been a significant outlay, with not much to show for it, it isn't the sort of thing the press or owners for that matter can point accusingly at.

Babel was Rafa's first real starlet purchase, and Rafa's first real "what have you done" moment. He is one of only two purchases he has made that can be compared to the likes of Diouf/Diao for their mix of the blatantly shit and the financially embarassing. (Keane doesn't deserve the comparison, but the time frame was an incredible admission of failure)

Babel, if he had been as advertised, would be EXACTLY what we need right now, and instead he's useless.

For me it's beyond safe to say at this point that Babel's supposed potential isn't going to be realized. What exactly was the project anyway? Was he being groomed on the wing for game intelligence and technical ability for an eventual crack as a striker? He seems to have lost his direct confidence due to being put on the wing, and gained nothing in the process.

I don't think he's particularly good at either, but what I can say with absolute confidence is that he'll never be even a competent left winger. The fact that his left leg is mostly for standing certainly doesn't help this out. He should be starting off the bench, as a striker, and not much else. He's got pace and a rocket of a shot. As a late game addition, a goal or two would do him a world of good. If he shows even a glimmer of hope, he should be sold, at a significant loss.
 
The thing is though, for all the criticism of Rafa playing him on the wing, he plays wide of a three man strike force for Holland too, the only difference is over here he has more tracking back to do.

Kuyt manages well enough.

Because of his transfer value, he's certainly up there, I think Rafa's biggest failure will be marked down as Keane, even though there were loads of contributory factors, he was a £20m failure we made a £5m loss on for the sake of having him for 6 months. Ridiculous.

I don't think Rafa can take much blame for identifying Babel, everyone knows the raw potential was there, it's just a shame the intelligence and desire aren't.
 
unfortunately, babel has turned out to be exactly what the ajax fans said he was.

keane was a fucking shite signing as well.
 
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=35480.msg932841#msg932841 date=1251288459]
unfortunately, babel has turned out to be exactly what the ajax fans said he was.

keane was a fucking shite signing as well.
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What did they say Skully?
 
The thing with Keane vs Babel is, that I don't think we could sell Babel for the same percentage loss that we sold Keane. Keane's seems more spectacular because it was a failure realized within a month of the season beginning, but Babel is like a long, awful, disappointing relationship that was doomed from the off, it's just been a total waste of time and energy.
 
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[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=35480.msg932841#msg932841 date=1251288459]
unfortunately, babel has turned out to be exactly what the ajax fans said he was.

keane was a fucking shite signing as well.
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What did they say Skully?
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they had little faith in him fulfilling his potential. they were all very happy with the fee they recieved, i remember.
 
Good post Farky and pretty much bang on!!

Babel would have been a success if he had a better attitude and realised he can never just walk into a team once he had been bought!!!

He has shown little application on the field of play!
 
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[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=35480.msg932841#msg932841 date=1251288459]
unfortunately, babel has turned out to be exactly what the ajax fans said he was.

keane was a fucking shite signing as well.
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What did they say Skully?
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I remember someone, perhaps the president of Ajax saying something like Liverpool had overpaid immensely, and that he didn't have the potential of other players... of course, he would say that, but still, I found it strange, mostly you just get a polite word or two.
 
i just remember reading the ajax forums, to see what kind of player we were getting, and feeling very underwhelmed.
 
Reminds me of when I went on the Borussia Dortmund forums to see how they felt about Degen, and they were positively laughing at us for signing the guy.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=35480.msg932850#msg932850 date=1251289188]
Reminds me of when I went on the Borussia Dortmund forums to see how they felt about Degen, and they were positively laughing at us for signing the guy.
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Seems much the same reaction over this Greek guy aswell.. We had it over Leto too.
 
I don't understand how it's all gone pete tong.

He had a very promising first season.

He's clearly got the ability, if he were given games and nurtured; albeit a lot of nurturing, the lad is thick as pig shit on the pitch.. That just isn't going to happen under Rafa and if Babel isn't careful it'll never happen, full stop.
 
Agreed with this. I've had more than enough of Ryan Babel now. People get on Lucas' back all the time, but he's younger than Babel, was cheaper, came from a country that is traditionally harder to adapt from...but at least he looks like he's trying, and has some impact (however minimal) on games.

Babel's been absolutely shocking for the last year and a half or so. I doubt we'd get much cash for him, but does absolutely nothing in games, absolutely nothing. Run down the wing, cut inside, lose ball. Or run down wing, cut inside, unleash pathetic 'shot' five yards wide of the near post. If he isn't doing those things he's utterly invisible.

He should be first out the door.
 
I don't think he is Rafa's biggest transfer failure.

It simply has to be Keane because his transfer fucked up our summer, our title hopes that season and left us short this year as well because we've not really been able to replace him.

So that's #1. #2 for me is Dossena who cost us 8M, our most expensive fullback ever at the time, was a totally unnecessary transfer as we had Insua coming through and has contributed precisely fuck all other than a couple goals which we remember for their comedy value.

Say what you will about Babel but during his time here he has at least contributed *something*. He has won us games.

At the end, he'll go down as a punt that didn't work out, but he's not been a complete and utter disaster like those two.
 
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I don't think he is Rafa's biggest transfer failure.

It simply has to be Keane because his transfer fucked up our summer, our title hopes that season and left us short this year as well because we've not really been able to replace him.

So that's #1. #2 for me is Dossena who cost us 8M, our most expensive fullback ever at the time, was a totally unnecessary transfer as we had Insua coming through and has contributed precisely fuck all other than a couple goals which we remember for their comedy value.

Say what you will about Babel but during his time here he has at least contributed *something*. He has won us games.

At the end, he'll go down as a punt that didn't work out, but he's not been a complete and utter disaster like those two.
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last summer was a fucking disaster. i just wanted rafa to spend that 30 mill on a world class player but he bought keane and dossena.
 
He seems uncoachable. I saw Sammy Lee jump up and scream abuse at Babel after he obviously did the opposite of what had been planned. It's bewildering, because there's so much talent going to waste. Babel is Babel's biggest failure.
 
got to be keane but babel isn't far off. rafa has bought some howlers but usually they are fairly cheap that isn't the case with babel or keane.
 
Wenger's decision to not pay over 10M for Babel was brilliant.

He said at the time that anything over 10M was an incorrect evaluation of the player - all too true.
 
[quote author=Roopy link=topic=35480.msg932960#msg932960 date=1251296252]
Wenger's decision to not pay over 10M for Babel was brilliant.

He said at the time that anything over 10M was an incorrect evaluation of the player - all too true.
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So we paid 1.5M over the odds? Wow! What a rip-off!
 
[quote author=Roopy link=topic=35480.msg932960#msg932960 date=1251296252]
Wenger's decision to not pay over 10M for Babel was brilliant.

He said at the time that anything over 10M was an incorrect evaluation of the player - all too true.
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God, the Teflon manager gets praised again. So I suppose if HE'D bought Babel for, say, £9.5m it would've been an honourable mistake. Or we can go with 'Wenger would have waved the woofle dust and made him a star' line.
 
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[quote author=Roopy link=topic=35480.msg932960#msg932960 date=1251296252]
Wenger's decision to not pay over 10M for Babel was brilliant.

He said at the time that anything over 10M was an incorrect evaluation of the player - all too true.
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God, the Teflon manager gets praised again. So I suppose if HE'D bought Babel for, say, £9.5m it would've been an honourable mistake. Or we can go with 'Wenger would have waved the woofle dust and made him a star' line.
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I'm just fucking saying... at the time a lot of people were saying "Oh bloody Wenger, refusing to splash the cash, Babel is great talent" ... he appears to be have been right though right? Saved himself 11.5M on a flop and got someone like Walcott for 5M (which could rise to 12M).

And fuck oath I praise Wenger. No manager in this league can spot talent like him. Signed Anelka for 0.5M and sold him for 22M - which allowed him to buy Henry & Pires

And also, I respect his reasoning in not becoming Real Madrid manager over the summer.
 
Is that how much Theo was?

5 up front, possibly rising to 12?

God, that's sickening. He should have joined us
 
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