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is there an agenda aginst lfc? I think there is.

When kenny joined he was slated before he even had a chance.
From the start of the 2011-12 season refereeing descisions have cost us dearly.
I cant even keep count.
From the start of this season we have had many many important decisions go against us.
theres the the suarez incident we all know was unfair especially when you look back with the knowledge of what happened with john terry.
THIS SEASON - how many goals have we had dissallowed that were legal or borderline?

why do the scum get "fergie time"?
goals allowed that were offside on the same day we get legal onside goals disallowed? - is that to rub it in our f**king faces or what?
And why do they always seem to get the easiest champs league draw available?
I cant remember them ever having a group of death. they always seem to get a group full of
clujj or brunns or some other unheard of deadlegs.
THIS SEASON - how many goals have THEY had allowed that were illegal or borderline?

Tell me what the f**k is going on because before i even watch us play at the moment i feel we are going to be robbed or cheated or shat on.
 
Its can be subtle.
when we are on the up iv noticed a few dodgy descisions against us that disrupt our play and swing the momentum the other way - this is particularty evident at the start of the season (this and last)

points lost due to dodgy descisions..momentum in league lost ...players heads go down...job done...were not even in with a shout.

and we play very well in 90% of our games.. ive seen the opposite in scum games. they are quite average (bar van persicle) yet stuff some jammy jammy wins in.
 
I seen a piece recently which gave the stats for the difference in extra time allotted to every team where they were losing and winning games.
Man U had the biggest difference, getting over a minute extra I think in games where they were losing at the end of ninety minutes.
We were in second place also with a positive difference, just under a minute I seem to recall.

It is not unheard of for teamd to try and unduly influence who referees their game and then influence the referee himself, by fair means and foul, in other leagues so it is likely that lots of teams do it in the Premiership.
See how many managers have a pop at Suarez being a diver before they play us.
 
David Gill is the CEO of Man United and the vice chairman of the FA.

It is fucking ridiculous. Absolute madness. I don't know why any of the other clubs put up with it at all.
 
the count said:
I seen a piece recently which gave the stats for the difference in extra time allotted to every team where they were losing and winning games.
Man U had the biggest difference, getting over a minute extra I think in games where they were losing at the end of ninety minutes.
We were in second place also with a positive difference, just under a minute I seem to recall.

It is not unheard of for teamd to try and unduly influence who referees their game and then influence the referee himself, by fair means and foul, in other leagues so it is likely that lots of teams do it in the Premiership.
See how many managers have a pop at Suarez being a diver before they play us.
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On your first point - maybe it can be said that a team leading against United would be more likely to try and slow things down and play out time, than a team leading against Wigan. So, more time-wasting - more reason to add extra time.
On your second point, I agree - some managers should take a look at themselves. This seems to be more of a trend these days. We all know Ferguson threw away years ago any integrity he might have once had, but its annoying to see his slimy ways being imitated by so many.
 
scousemouse said:
And why do they always seem to get the easiest champs league draw available?
I cant remember them ever having a group of death. they always seem to get a group full of
clujj or brunns or some other unheard of deadlegs.
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I'm not sure about an agenda against LFC, but the point you make there has been very noticeable.
 
the count said:
I seen a piece recently which gave the stats for the difference in extra time allotted to every team where they were losing and winning games.
Man U had the biggest difference, getting over a minute extra I think in games where they were losing at the end of ninety minutes.
We were in second place also with a positive difference, just under a minute I seem to recall.

It is not unheard of for teamd to try and unduly influence who referees their game and then influence the referee himself, by fair means and foul, in other leagues so it is likely that lots of teams do it in the Premiership.
See how many managers have a pop at Suarez being a diver before they play us.
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I read that - Was it in The Guardian or Observer over the weekend? Made interesting reading for sure.
 
As much as I want to believe there is a (referees) conspiracy as that would explain soooo much, it is much more likely that if you (managers, players, the club) speak out against refs then the 50/50s will go against you in the future. So the reality is that we are a) a touch paranoid and b) a touch paranoid.
 
Longevity and the ability to communicate, ingratiate and influence.

Ferguson and Gill have been around a long time and are obviously very good at keeping in with key decision makers and getting other contacts to let them know current thinking and attitudes.

They move in the same circles as the administrators, meeting at awards, conferences etc etc. Simple networking.

They are bound to influence the thinking of the FA, PGMOB, LMA, as they reflect back current thinking, even if on a subliminal level.

I'd love to have access to their mobile phones and texts, I expect the traffic between the organisations and Ferguson and Gill is frequent and on first name terms.
 
Much like the Juve scandal, it's quite noticeable that a number of refs who gave red cards or penalties in home games against United never reffed again at Old Trafford
 
Mersey86 said:
I'm not sure about an agenda against LFC, but the point you make there has been very noticeable.
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again i refer to my previous post but in a different context...re. reffing descisions and LFC over the last 2 seasons in particular.

"its more than just *luck* or *coincidence* when it happens consistently over long periods of time"

Its getting silly and obvious to any who will look and as I said to many people before its will get to the level of being absurd before the bias is addressed.
 
Frogfish said:
As much as I want to believe there is a (referees) conspiracy as that would explain soooo much, it is much more likely that if you (managers, players, the club) speak out against refs then the 50/50s will go against you in the future. So the reality is that we are a) a touch paranoid and b) a touch paranoid.
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Except that that theory doesn't seem to apply to Ferguson. QED.
 
Biased though I certainly am, I don't believe that. The financial stakes weren't anywhere near as high in those days.
 
in local context it doesnt look like bias

"oh damn...benefit of the doubt went against us" ...seems to be what we are saying alot
"oh great...benefit of the doubt went for us" ... seems to be what gets said by most man utd fans.

The rediculous offside allowed/disallowed goals last week as a great example.
If allocated correctly we would have +2 pts on man utd not -2 as ut turned out.
Thats 4pts difference in 1 weekend and this really does start to count over the course of a season.

its slight bias in descisions like this that can mean a handy but not great team can end up in 6th
or a handy but not great team can end up in 2nd if ya gets me. *nudge* *wink*
 
gene hughes said:
There's probably something underhand going on just as there was when we were winning everything.
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Yeah...UEFA wanted to stop us at all costs as English clubs were winning everything and LFC in particular.

And the press would tell you how it would be great for the english game if another team would win the title other than us?

Anyone remember the press or anyone saying that over the last 20 years about man utd?

Im old enough to remember these things.
 
look at how great that bald shreck granny shagger is in the press everytime the world cup comes round.
Better than messi wasnt he this time? ffs
For me he is what he is an overhyped,average england center forward...see mark hately,alan smith,tony cottee

The Pro Utd bias in the press and FA is blatant.
trouble is the more pro utd they get the more anti LFC they get too. its hand in hand.
 
There certainly is an agenda against Liverpool.

I sense Mossad & the Illuminati may have some involvement.
 
I've had this insider memo on what's really going on.

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